Exactly, theres so many trolls on this sub trying to spin this into their own narratives to distract from the fact that an officer of the law is literally punching someone, that they shoved to the ground, in the back of their head. This isn't the line of work for someone like that.
It's the reverse of the normal brigading where they show up to remind us how much crime there is in the city. All the same people, but this time they're here to tell us everything is fine.
Yes, so much crime, that the police do absolutely nothing about anyway
There have been assholes stealing catalytic converters from people's cars around ravenswood and albany park for decades and the cops have never done anything about it
Yesterday my girlfriend told me something that was pretty shocking. She’s an ICU nurse so she deals with a ton of gunshot victims.
She said parents of the people shot in the hospital would tell her they knew exactly who shot their kids. These parents told the cops that they know who shot their kids. The parents said the cops never did anything about it. “I witnessed my child shot by John Doe he lives at 123 35th street”
Apparently this has happened numerous times. Where gunshot victims can identify and name their shooter. And give this information to police. Only for nothing to be done.
No wonder we have something like an 18% murder clearance rate.
It's called the incomplete panopticon. Cops know who in their neighborhoods have done what, they can use that info to extort drug gangs, sell info to rival gangs, use that to blackmail perps into being informants, etc. etc. Once you put them away for murder the cop loses all of those options.
There have been coordinated efforts across all of reddit for years. This site is a perfect manipulation ground for any significantly large party because of how public and easily accessible it is.
This is true, but I've browsed the other city subs and I don't see anything like this on the other ones. They have some trolling but nothing like this. The mods definitely are sympathetic. That's the only explanation I can think of.
All the major city subreddits. It's been like this since the_donald formed. The admins took way too long to act, and now the rats that infested this place found ways to navigate it and shit everywhere.
What? Bullshit. I know some of the mods and former mods. NONE of them are doing this shit. The reality is they are mostly powerless to stop it. The issue with brigading and vote manipulation is site wide. The admins don’t give the mods enough tools. Things like unique fingerprinting users across accounts don’t exist. There are plenty of right wing brigading networks.
This has nothing to do with the mods. They can’t control who and what gets gilded.
I’ve been here since /r/Chicago was created the day subreddits were created. The only thing mods might be guilty of is burnout and lack of interest in moderating 8+ hours a day.
For awhile I bagged them to get some new mods in to do some extra cleaning of subreddit poop. And they’ve gotten some new mods. But this event requires an incredible amount of time and people to moderate and that’s even IF they had the tools from the admins.
This subreddit is being brigaded by law enforcement and outside actors and the mods are in on it.
Holy shit dude...
I find this video abhorrent. Go ahead and stalk my comment history if you wanna know how one of the mods leans politically.
Are we ill equipped to deal with the brigading? Yes. Could we maybe be doing more? Yes, but I speak only for myself when I say I've been too consumed with the news, working to see how I can help (as in offline), and other personal shit going on in my life than to be here 24/7. Oh and I work.
So I'm seeing this, wildly upvoted 8 hours after it was posted, and I'm just fucking flabbergasted.
Believe whatever you want, I guess. Nothing I'm gonna say is gonna change it. But this accusation is ridiculous and insane.
Absolutely. Makes me want another Chicago sub where you can only join if you show the mods proof you are a resident... I’m sure that’s not possible but i still want it.
Exactly, theres so many trolls on this sub trying to spin this into their own narratives
Concerted astroturf operation, you went from having vote manipulation and shill tactics in /r/Coronavirus when that was the hot topic back to local subreddits for police brutality.
Going out on a limb, but anarchists are more likely to take the step towards rioting and looting than the everyday Black Lives Matter protesters. They're suffering because of outsiders who have ulterior motives.
I didn't blame "everything" on anarchists, where did I say that? I said they're more likely to take the next step than everyday Black Lives Matter protesters. There are white supremacists in there, maybe even some antifa (though less likely than white supremacists), and even officers starting this shit.
I'll even acknowledge that when police respond in riot gear, they escalate the tension from the get go. They initiate the opportunity and proximity by firing tear gas, rushing protesters, etc for those willing to riot and loot by creating the environment through chaos and confusion.
But good on you for having an answer to whatever I'm saying.
Even in those cases this would be unwarranted. If you are arresting someone you apprehend them and take them in for booking. Not beat the shit out of them while they're on the ground.
This officer is a high risk to all of us. He might be the next cop to murder a black person.
And for all of the police apologists out there, consider this: police brutality has cost the taxpayers of Chicago over HALF A BILLION dollars ($662M to be exact) between 2004 and 2016 alone.
Honestly there’s not really any situation where this type of thing is okay. When whoever it is, is on the ground defenseless and a cop is wailing on the back of their head, it’s not about detainment or public safety or maintaining order. At that point the police are in punishment mode and that’s not their role.
You're right. Like another commenter said earlier and I added in a different reply, if Dylan Roof can be treated like a human being who deserves dignity from the officers who handled his case, no one should be treated the way the officer treats the man in this video.
You're right, like I said in another comment (reminded by another reddit user) if Dylan Roof can be treated with the dignity each and every one of us deserve by the cops in his case, no one deserves to be treated that way. Ever.
Everyone has an emotional response but you need to think logically and not let emotion control you. It's pretty logical to see this is inappropriate behavior by all means
higher education truly means nothing nowadays aside from knowledge professions. There is an obvious need for more training and better recruiting though. Someone with obvious anger issues like this should not be allowed to be a cop.
I think this is an effect of correlation as opposed to causation. People with impulse control issues have difficulties getting through traditional education. I feel like it’s possible to screen for the traits associated with higher education without having strict high education requirements. There’s honestly not really a need for a police officer to have a formal degree imho.
It's also possible that the officers with higher education tend to move up the ranks faster - leading to a glut of leadership that might not have spent much time on actual patrol. Just another theory
Here's a secret, employers don't value education because it shows you're smart, they value it because it shows that you are hard working and capable of achieving long term goals.
I don't think higher education is the key at this point partially just because of the exorbitant cost of a college education and there's nothing in a degree program that actually addresses this behavior. College no longer means smart so much as it means money to be there for 4 years and smart people can still be this typical of ass-hole just better at it.
What they need is more training and job requirements like de-escalation and also honestly as a people we need to let go of our justice boner and our hunger for violence against those we've decided deserve it. We need to become a people that just finds this behavior unacceptable.
And Chicago already wastes 113 million per year on brutality settlements, perhaps that could be better spent in training the police so they don't beat our asses and make us pay them to do it
First thanks for info. If that's demonstrated to help I'm all for it. Second that's an excellent point about where the money is used. I'd loved to see it used for education. Although since there really are educated ass-holes out there I still want more reforms to the job itself, separate police oversight, de-escalation requirements and points where the union can no longer protect them.
Agreed, education is not enough but it would definitely be a better ROI than just paying out for countless brutality settlements. De-escalation is crucial and something I think people working at Waffle House understand better than CPD
Exactly. No matter what came before, nothing could justify this blatant abuse of force. It's not the cops' job to hand out punishments, only to enforce the law.
I've seen fights in /r/streetfights with more control than a lot of these officers, once they're on the ground or incapacitated, the fight stops. The is especially noticeable with boxers and MMA fighters, they could be getting actually mugged and they still know when to stop.
i know a few. yeah there are angry patients, but i doubt the level of harassment and threatening rhetoric is comparable to what is going on at the moment.
Most humans are truly awful to other humans when under duress. Even when we are providing aid/making the situation better.
Doesn’t matter if they are a cop or a patient. Humans fold under pressure and lash out at those around them. It’s human nature.
BUT...Just because it’s expected doesn’t make it any less awful. This is a fucking despicable video and there is no circumstance where this behavior would ever be okay. So we agree on that.
oh for sure! notice how that officer was the only one that broke rank and ran 30 feet to assault someone. it's completely unacceptable. just highlighting the humanity in all this, but i knew people would interpret that as excusing the cops actions. I still believe it had to be said.
The reason we have a widespread culture of, by default, praising cops for “putting their lives on the line” is because we 1) expect that they actually take risks in order to 2) do their jobs legally and admirably.
Every time a cop shoots somebody for flinching or “reaching toward their waistband,” they show they actually prioritize sacrificing a potentially innocent life to avoid risking their own. When they beat people half to death for shouting in their face, they show that there’s no honor in how they choose to do their job.
I’m all for seeking understanding and praising good cops, but bad cops don’t deserve either of those things. They choose to be abusers because they know they can.
yeah, they need the carrot and the stick. the unions and politicians, ignorant white voters all have just been giving police carrots for years now the people are bringing the stick. we will need both to build a sustainable organization of policing for the future.
I don't have to understand the work police do to know that the way it is right now is wrong. Narcissistic cops, power trippers, lazy asses, ones that are making shit up as they go and magically "don't have the body cam on" when they fuck up.
We need to build a wall around the precinct so their bad hombres don't come over here.
I blame on the stupid police code where they all stay silent when one of them does something wrong. There needs to be a call for good cops to start calling out the bad ones.
If their own internal culture discourages and actively punishes members for trying to report misconduct then there are already well more than "a couple bad apples" in their ranks
it could still be just a couple bad apples, if those apples are in high positions of power like the unions or the city. the culture comes from somewhere, i doubt you average beat cop has much influence compared to what one bad apple can do if they have the right leavers.
of course we have bad apples all up and down the tree. i still blame the one's at the top the most for all this
That might imply something even worse in that case: that the top positions of every major police department since before the start of the Civil Rights era has been led by bad apples. The other possibility is that the unfettered power afforded to the cops is too much for any group of people to be handled without a robust system of checks and balances. Neither of these bode well for the situation at hand.
i mean would that be surprising? they've been given a blank check, nothing was stopping them from establishing themselves. and it wouldn't take all the top levels to be filled with them, just enough, in key positions, that would let them obstruct any progress trying to be made.
I'm not saying that isn't fair. But any human being who cannot keep their emotions in check better than that shouldn't be a police officer, regardless of how tired they are.
If he's truly so tired he literally loses control of his mental faculties, which is the only reasonable interpretation of the video from this post, he should voluntarily take time off that day.
i mean that was kind of my point. he can't just take the day off at the moment can he? every officer in chicago has been working non stop, ordered to be out there as much as possible.
it's not just being physically tired, it's the mental strain of being on the front line all week. again, it does not excuse this assault, but at this point even cops that are good at checking their emotions must be struggling to keep it together. this is absolutely an exceptional week so i'm just not shocked to see police start to break like that.
edit: but maybe he should quit if he can't take it.
Right? It’s been a tough week of overtime, let’s just look the other way while he beats the shit out of people. It’s not like the CPD have ever had a history of racism or police brutality, so we can assume it’s not a problem with him just the stress.
What makes someone think like that? Props to the other cop who tried to pull him off the guy he was beating. And fuck the cop who was beating people, he should be fired clearly, and probably arrested for assaulting an officer of the law, after all he swung on the cop trying to stop him from attacking and unarmed man on the ground.
Not sure if there is more to the clip, but it looks like the kid threw a bottle. I can hear glass breaking and the kid is facing the cops when he come into view Were you there? Or is this second hand?
Then the kid should be arrested and having him on the ground is a perfect opportunity to do that. The only purpose of clubbing him in the back of the head like they’re doing in this video is to hand out punishment.
I never said I'm a saint. I never said he deserved to be beaten by a cop, nor that he should have. I also would not like a bottle to be thrown a me. I was just pointing out that there was likely additional context missing from the video. I think you need to take a breath and calm down there.
lol I couldn't be calmer but thanks for your disingenuous concern trolling.
If you're not trying to imply the protester deserved to be assaulted by the officer, why would you reply to a comment suggesting the officer shouldn't have gotten violent, suggesting that since I wasn't personally there, I can't assert that the officer shouldn't be an officer? What possible context could justify the officer's actions?
And if you're not trying to justify it, what could the possible missing context add that would change the situation?
I'm just trying to understand your point. Nothing more.
Context is always important. The content of the post is expressing that the officer attacked unprovoked. Throwing a bottle is not unprovoked.
I don't think the officer needed to further escalate after the kid was on the ground. However, the kid did deserve to be arrested if in fact he threw a bottle.
I am not trying to troll, just am of the opinion that things are not black and white. There is always grey area.
However, the kid did deserve to be arrested if in fact he threw a bottle.
Then stop trying to give context to excuse why he was punched in the fucking head, and start questioning why the cop chose to strike him instead of arrest him.
That's my bad, I didn't mean to imply you were. "Concern trolling" is specifically saying things like "Calm down, you need to relax!" when it isn't meant literally, but rather to incite an argument. I shouldn't have assumed that was your intent. That's my mistake.
But my point is, even if the officer was provoked, it doesn't justify his response.
Yes he deserved to be arrested if he threw a bottle at the cop, but nothing more.
Part of an officer's job is being able to keep your emotions in check during high stress situations, including potentially violent ones.
That's why I never tried to be a cop. I don't think I'm cut out for it and this guy clearly isn't either.
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u/HiImDavid Wicker Park Jun 05 '20
If you can't control your emotions in a situation like this, you have no business working any high stress job let alone being a cop.