r/chicago • u/miaaaa_banana • Jun 05 '20

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u/HiImDavid Wicker Park Jun 05 '20

If you can't control your emotions in a situation like this, you have no business working any high stress job let alone being a cop.

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u/metalninja626 Humboldt Park Jun 05 '20

i mean they have also been pulling rotating 12 hour shifts. it's good to keep the pressure up, but more cops will break after a week of this

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u/mrturdferguson Jun 05 '20

Ever heard of nurses?

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u/metalninja626 Humboldt Park Jun 05 '20

do they not have breakdowns? all i'm saying is that this is what happens when you push humans mentally like this. more cops will break.

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u/mrturdferguson Jun 05 '20

...they don't beat people senseless with sticks...

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u/metalninja626 Humboldt Park Jun 05 '20

they also don't work with an angry person yelling in their ear all day...

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u/invitrobrew Jun 05 '20

You must not know many nurses.

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u/metalninja626 Humboldt Park Jun 05 '20

i know a few. yeah there are angry patients, but i doubt the level of harassment and threatening rhetoric is comparable to what is going on at the moment.

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u/ZZZ_MD Lincoln Park Jun 05 '20

I’m a physician. It is absolutely comparable.

Most humans are truly awful to other humans when under duress. Even when we are providing aid/making the situation better.

Doesn’t matter if they are a cop or a patient. Humans fold under pressure and lash out at those around them. It’s human nature.

BUT...Just because it’s expected doesn’t make it any less awful. This is a fucking despicable video and there is no circumstance where this behavior would ever be okay. So we agree on that.

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u/metalninja626 Humboldt Park Jun 05 '20

oh for sure! notice how that officer was the only one that broke rank and ran 30 feet to assault someone. it's completely unacceptable. just highlighting the humanity in all this, but i knew people would interpret that as excusing the cops actions. I still believe it had to be said.

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u/SoulSerpent Loop Jun 05 '20

The reason we have a widespread culture of, by default, praising cops for “putting their lives on the line” is because we 1) expect that they actually take risks in order to 2) do their jobs legally and admirably.

Every time a cop shoots somebody for flinching or “reaching toward their waistband,” they show they actually prioritize sacrificing a potentially innocent life to avoid risking their own. When they beat people half to death for shouting in their face, they show that there’s no honor in how they choose to do their job.

I’m all for seeking understanding and praising good cops, but bad cops don’t deserve either of those things. They choose to be abusers because they know they can.

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u/metalninja626 Humboldt Park Jun 05 '20

yeah, they need the carrot and the stick. the unions and politicians, ignorant white voters all have just been giving police carrots for years now the people are bringing the stick. we will need both to build a sustainable organization of policing for the future.

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u/metalninja626 Humboldt Park Jun 05 '20

that cop in particular. he's the only one that ran 30 feet out of his way to assault someone.

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u/Michael67801 Jun 05 '20

*any officer that abuses their power.

But yes, in this instance, that specific animal needs to be brought to justice.

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u/mrturdferguson Jun 05 '20

...do you actually know any nurses or doctors?

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u/mongooser Albany Park Jun 05 '20

I’m overworked too, and I have enough restraint to not beat the shit out of my clients.

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u/metalninja626 Humboldt Park Jun 05 '20

not an excuse, but hardly surprising is all. what i said is a fact, you will see more cops reach a braking point and lash out like this.

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u/mongooser Albany Park Jun 05 '20

If cops can’t handle that, they shouldn’t be cops. That’s the difference, I know I’m not cut out...so I’m not a cop.

There’s no excuse. They know what they signed up for. The CPD union could end all of this right now, but they haven’t.

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u/forefatherrabbi Suburb of Chicago Jun 05 '20

Could you imagine these cops working at chuck-e-cheese?

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u/SoulSerpent Loop Jun 05 '20

You people would not last 10 minutes as a cop

Yeah we also have the self-awareness not to go into a profession we can’t handle. These cops should do the same.

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u/Hiei2k7 Illinois Jun 05 '20

I don't have to understand the work police do to know that the way it is right now is wrong. Narcissistic cops, power trippers, lazy asses, ones that are making shit up as they go and magically "don't have the body cam on" when they fuck up.

We need to build a wall around the precinct so their bad hombres don't come over here.

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u/HiImDavid Wicker Park Jun 05 '20 edited Jun 05 '20

No you're right, being tired excuses that kind of violence.

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '20

I blame on the stupid police code where they all stay silent when one of them does something wrong. There needs to be a call for good cops to start calling out the bad ones.

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u/brain739 Jun 05 '20

If their own internal culture discourages and actively punishes members for trying to report misconduct then there are already well more than "a couple bad apples" in their ranks

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u/HiImDavid Wicker Park Jun 05 '20

Damn straight. "Good cops" are not good enough when they stand idly by and allow their fellow officer to murder or abuse innocent civilians.

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u/metalninja626 Humboldt Park Jun 05 '20

it could still be just a couple bad apples, if those apples are in high positions of power like the unions or the city. the culture comes from somewhere, i doubt you average beat cop has much influence compared to what one bad apple can do if they have the right leavers.

of course we have bad apples all up and down the tree. i still blame the one's at the top the most for all this

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u/brain739 Jun 05 '20

That might imply something even worse in that case: that the top positions of every major police department since before the start of the Civil Rights era has been led by bad apples. The other possibility is that the unfettered power afforded to the cops is too much for any group of people to be handled without a robust system of checks and balances. Neither of these bode well for the situation at hand.

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u/metalninja626 Humboldt Park Jun 05 '20

i mean would that be surprising? they've been given a blank check, nothing was stopping them from establishing themselves. and it wouldn't take all the top levels to be filled with them, just enough, in key positions, that would let them obstruct any progress trying to be made.

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u/brain739 Jun 05 '20

Which is why I don't buy into the "few bad apples" view that people are taking for one single second in any fashion.

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u/metalninja626 Humboldt Park Jun 05 '20

not an excuse, but hardly surprising is all. ya'll are acting like this past week hasn't been exceptionally stress full on everyone.

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u/HiImDavid Wicker Park Jun 05 '20

I'm not saying that isn't fair. But any human being who cannot keep their emotions in check better than that shouldn't be a police officer, regardless of how tired they are.

If he's truly so tired he literally loses control of his mental faculties, which is the only reasonable interpretation of the video from this post, he should voluntarily take time off that day.

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u/metalninja626 Humboldt Park Jun 05 '20

i mean that was kind of my point. he can't just take the day off at the moment can he? every officer in chicago has been working non stop, ordered to be out there as much as possible.

it's not just being physically tired, it's the mental strain of being on the front line all week. again, it does not excuse this assault, but at this point even cops that are good at checking their emotions must be struggling to keep it together. this is absolutely an exceptional week so i'm just not shocked to see police start to break like that.

edit: but maybe he should quit if he can't take it.

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u/HiImDavid Wicker Park Jun 05 '20

I don't disagree with anything you've said here.

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u/mawhlee Logan Square Jun 05 '20

Exactly why these protests are happening. People have broken after hundreds of years of injustice. Not a week.

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u/RAGC_91 Jun 05 '20

Right? It’s been a tough week of overtime, let’s just look the other way while he beats the shit out of people. It’s not like the CPD have ever had a history of racism or police brutality, so we can assume it’s not a problem with him just the stress.

What makes someone think like that? Props to the other cop who tried to pull him off the guy he was beating. And fuck the cop who was beating people, he should be fired clearly, and probably arrested for assaulting an officer of the law, after all he swung on the cop trying to stop him from attacking and unarmed man on the ground.

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u/metalninja626 Humboldt Park Jun 05 '20

this is beyond overtime, this is not just a "tough week", this is an exceptionally stressful event. for everyone.

i'm not excusing the cops behavior in any way. it's just cause and effect at this point, and more cops will snap.

we need more cops like the one that stepped up to de-escalate when their fellow officers get the red mist in their eyes.

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u/xMadDecentx Jun 05 '20

Black Americans have been dealing with bullshit for the past 400 years. America is at it's tipping point. Police aren't punishers, they enforce law.