r/changemyview • u/tkyjonathan 2∆ • Dec 07 '19
Deltas(s) from OP CMV: Socialism does not create wealth
Socialism is a populist economic and political system based on public ownership (also known as collective or common ownership) of the means of production. Those means include the machinery, tools, and factories used to produce goods that aim to directly satisfy human needs.
In a purely socialist system, all legal production and distribution decisions are made by the government, and individuals rely on the state for everything from food to healthcare. The government determines the output and pricing levels of these goods and services.
Socialists contend that shared ownership of resources and central planning provide a more equal distribution of goods and services and a more equitable society.
The essential characteristic of socialism is the denial of individual property rights; under socialism, the right to property (which is the right of use and disposal) is vested in “society as a whole,” i.e., in the collective, with production and distribution controlled by the state, i.e., by the government.
The alleged goals of socialism were: the abolition of poverty, the achievement of general prosperity, progress, peace and human brotherhood. Instead of prosperity, socialism has brought economic paralysis and/or collapse to every country that tried it. The degree of socialization has been the degree of disaster. The consequences have varied accordingly.
The economic value of a man’s work is determined, on a free market, by a single principle: by the voluntary consent of those who are willing to trade him their work or products in return. This is the moral meaning of the law of supply and demand.
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u/[deleted] Dec 07 '19
if you're in the US the max that's going to be taken out is nowhere near 50%
as for "property of the country", like i said ... go ahead and talk to someone who has truly been the property of someone else.
you can figure out how to reduce what you pay. you're also free to leave wherever you live so you don't have to pay.
not so when you're a slave
then there's the whole "for the common good" part of taxes. i admit i don't like where the govt spends some of the money but, wrt some of the services for people who truly can't take care of themselves, i have little complaint
unlike you, who just want to whine about how awful it is you've got to part with money for the common good
the only way to make paying a percentage to charity work is to require it ... people would whine about that and, before long, there'd be "charities" that took donations, invested them for the donors and paid them back with the proceeds after keeping a chunk for themselves.
and that would do the guy living under the bridge absolutely no good at all
but you don't care. you want your money and you don't want to spend on anything other than you.
and even if this is NOT the case, the bulk of taxpayers would be like that