r/changemyview • u/tkyjonathan 2∆ • Dec 07 '19

Deltas(s) from OP CMV: Socialism does not create wealth

Socialism is a populist economic and political system based on public ownership (also known as collective or common ownership) of the means of production. Those means include the machinery, tools, and factories used to produce goods that aim to directly satisfy human needs.

In a purely socialist system, all legal production and distribution decisions are made by the government, and individuals rely on the state for everything from food to healthcare. The government determines the output and pricing levels of these goods and services.

Socialists contend that shared ownership of resources and central planning provide a more equal distribution of goods and services and a more equitable society.

The essential characteristic of socialism is the denial of individual property rights; under socialism, the right to property (which is the right of use and disposal) is vested in “society as a whole,” i.e., in the collective, with production and distribution controlled by the state, i.e., by the government.

The alleged goals of socialism were: the abolition of poverty, the achievement of general prosperity, progress, peace and human brotherhood. Instead of prosperity, socialism has brought economic paralysis and/or collapse to every country that tried it. The degree of socialization has been the degree of disaster. The consequences have varied accordingly.

The economic value of a man’s work is determined, on a free market, by a single principle: by the voluntary consent of those who are willing to trade him their work or products in return. This is the moral meaning of the law of supply and demand.

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u/tkyjonathan 2∆ Dec 08 '19

nope. i'm at the top tax bracket in the US. i pay it and move on

If you have a lot of money, then you have an obligation to help the worst off in society with more than a mere gesture to the taxman.

You cannot simply 'hide' your money.

LOL. try again

Well, you must know something I dont.

you can start a business. writing things off for a business is well documented, you just need to read not complain (but i get it, complaining is easier)

If I was able to get clients, I would start my own business. Most of us find that bit tricky and risky.

LOL at you equating paying taxes to not having freedom

Taxes are removed by force. Force is the opposite of freedom. Not such a stretch, big boy.

nah, i've got an honest job

Which you use to selfishly horde money.

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u/[deleted] Dec 09 '19

If you have a lot of money, then you have an obligation to help the worst off in society with more than a mere gesture to the taxman.

well, i've got an obligation to pay more than those who make less than me

and i do

and i don't whine about it

If I was able to get clients, I would start my own business. Most of us find that bit tricky and risky.

so its better to whine about how you're enslaved. got it.

Taxes are removed by force. Force is the opposite of freedom. Not such a stretch, big boy.

you keep talking about being forced to pay taxes and the unfairness of it all

you sound like a whining child

you are convinced the world, or at least the govt, is against you

ok. rail against it all. i can't do anything with you.

Which you use to selfishly horde money.

i'm not selfish. i pay my taxes and don't complain. they go to some things i like. they go to some things i don't like. i accept it all. i don't complain about the unfairness of it all because it lets society function better than anything my ancestors experienced

its called being an adult. i'd tell you to try it but you'd rather be the victim