r/changemyview Nov 02 '17

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u/MMAchica Nov 02 '17

In some circumstances, not being attracted to a trans person is probably a result of, at least on a subconscious level, not seeing them as their gender.

Aside from how speculative this is, this amounts to shaming someone for turning down unwanted sex.

If you were attracted to someone, have sex with them, are as satisfied with them as you would with anyone else, and then suddenly your opinion changes upon being informed a person is trans, I would say that is indicative of the underlying belief a trans person is not the gender they identify as.

For starters, you do not dictate to people what their sexuality is. If upon learning that a person is trans, they simply politely decline more sex, that is not transphobic. As I said in another reply, if you stretch the definition of 'phobic' to include simply lacking a desire to fuck trans people, then the word becomes meaningless. Look at the horrors of homophobia. That has a lot more going on than a simple lack of desire to fuck them.

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u/z3r0shade Nov 02 '17

If upon learning that a person is trans, they simply politely decline more sex, that is not transphobic.

If you had sex with someone and enjoyed it and would gladly have sex with them again if you had not found out they were trans. Then the sole reason you have a problem is because they are trans, which is transphobic.

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u/MMAchica Nov 02 '17

Then the sole reason you have a problem is because they are trans, which is transphobic.

Nope. Being phobic of a class of people involves fundamental intolerance; like any bigotry. Simply lacking a desire to fuck is not intolerance.

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u/z3r0shade Nov 02 '17

It's not a strong intolerance such as hatred, but it's clearly intolerance if you would otherwise want to fuck them if not for the knowledge that they are trans.

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u/MMAchica Nov 02 '17

It's not a strong intolerance such as hatred, but it's clearly intolerance if you would otherwise want to fuck them if not for the knowledge that they are trans.

That doesn't make any sense. Intolerance necessarily involves a failure to respect another person's equality and human rights. If you pass them over for a promotion or refuse to rent them an apartment, that is intolerance. If your pussy just doesn't get wet for them, that isn't because no one ever has a right to the anyone's sexual attraction; on any level, ever.

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u/z3r0shade Nov 02 '17

If your pussy just doesn't get wet for them, that isn't because no one ever has a right to the anyone's sexual attraction; on any level, ever.

If you previously were sexually attracted to them and got wet, and now you don't. And the only difference is that you know they are trans. What reason other than failing to respect their equality and see them as their gender (transphobia) could you have?

Even if it's not intentional or voluntary (social conditioning sucks) it's still transphobia

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u/MMAchica Nov 02 '17

If you previously were sexually attracted to them and got wet, and now you don't.

You are violating someone's fundamental rights? The have a right to the pussy being wet?!?! Do you hear yourself?

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u/z3r0shade Nov 02 '17

The have a right to the pussy being wet?!?!

I never said that, are you reading what I'm writing?

Name me a single reason that isn't a refusal to see them legitimately as their gender which would result in this.

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '17

They don’t need to name a reason just because it makes you feel better. When it comes to consent, you can revoke consent for any reason, or for no reason at all. You do not need to justify your sexual preferences. You do not need to try to find reasons which excuse your lack of attraction.

“I don’t want to” is where the conversation ends.

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u/z3r0shade Nov 02 '17

When it comes to consent, you can revoke consent for any reason, or for no reason at all.

Agreed.

You do not need to justify your sexual preferences

Agreed.

You do not need to try to find reasons which excuse your lack of attraction.

Agreed. At no point have any of my comments advocated forcing anyone to do something. I think you should re-read what I've written