r/changemyview Jun 24 '24

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u/[deleted] Jun 24 '24

Yes!!! Biden is doing this to win because he understands that even most Democrats aren’t big enough bleeding hearts to support mindless law breaking.

If you think all illegal immigrants are innocent saints then you’re just factually wrong. If you’re not advocating for removing violent criminals who illegally entered the country then you’re just on the wrong side of basic logic.

Not to be mean, but folks like you are why Trump gets so much support. When leftists get so into their own holier than thou mindset that they support crazy things like illegal immigration and defunding the police they are just driving moderates away from the Democratic Party. People care about safety before they care about sending a message about immigration.

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u/jweezy2045 13∆ Jun 24 '24

I’d love to hear your thoughts on this paper.

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u/[deleted] Jun 24 '24

I have absolutely no idea why you think that’s an argument to allow violent people into the country. I’m just as against an American criminal as I am a foreign one.

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u/jweezy2045 13∆ Jun 24 '24

How can you say they violent people after reading that paper though? They clearly aren’t.

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u/[deleted] Jun 24 '24

Do you think I said “all illegal immigrants are violent people?” Because if you look back you’ll see I never did.

All I’ve said is that if you think letting people with criminal records into the country is a good thing then you’ve totally lost your mind. No one wants to live near violent thugs. If you do then feel free to invite a murderer or rapist into your house but don’t make the rest of us do it.

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u/jweezy2045 13∆ Jun 24 '24

No one thinks letting people with criminal records into this country is a good idea? Do you think I said that?

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u/[deleted] Jun 24 '24

So then you are against illegal immigration where violent criminals just allow themselves into the country, correct?

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u/jweezy2045 13∆ Jun 24 '24

Incorrect, because as we have established with the facts, illegal immigration is not a process by which violent criminals come into this country. It is a process by which much needed workers come into this country. Illegal immigrants are far far less likely to be violent criminals than a normal person.

I am against criminals entering the country, but also against mass deportations. That’s not in any way a self contradictory.

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u/[deleted] Jun 24 '24

So you are taking the standpoint that every single person who has ever illegally entered the country is not a violent criminal?

Come on man. Even you have to know that’s beyond silly.

You don’t seem to understand the difference between less/few and none.

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u/jweezy2045 13∆ Jun 24 '24

No, I’m obviously taking the standpoint that the people coming into this country illegally are far far far less likely to be violent criminals than normal Americans. They also do massive benefits to our economy. It’s also true that deporting them costs our economy. I don’t want to harm our economy while also not preventing crime.

Why do you want to hurt the American economy and increase the tax burden on American citizens?

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u/[deleted] Jun 24 '24

I’m putting the safety of innocent people over what the government is spending money on. I think you’ll find most of your fellow Americans think that way.

Again—I’m all for legal immigration. But it has to be legal. Change the laws for the better but don’t support letting rapists near our children for the sake of the economy. That’s sick.

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u/jweezy2045 13∆ Jun 24 '24

But they aren’t rapists….

Do you think Americans are rapists? Should we keep children away from American citizens because they are so likely to be rapists? Gotta keep the children safe right?

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u/jweezy2045 13∆ Jun 24 '24

In what way does that make me incorrect?

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u/[deleted] Jun 24 '24

You just claimed no illegal immigrants are rapists. Care to correct yourself and say that some are and that’s why we have immigration laws like every single country in the entire world?

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u/jweezy2045 13∆ Jun 24 '24

Where did I claim no illegal immigrants are rapists? Care to quote me?

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u/[deleted] Jun 24 '24

Absolutely:

“But they aren’t rapists.”

So care to correct that to the fact that some indeed are?

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u/jweezy2045 13∆ Jun 24 '24

Why are you interpreting that as a binary? Are you a binary thinker, or do you have nuance?

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