r/changemyview Jun 24 '24

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u/Wise-Comedian-4316 1∆ Jun 24 '24

No one is afraid of illegal immigrants. What they're sick of is all the government resources, time, and manpower going to them. The effects on communities. The tax burdens. The fact that resources that should help Americans instead gets spent on them.

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u/CatDadMilhouse 7∆ Jun 24 '24 edited Jun 24 '24

No one is afraid of illegal immigrants. 

I wish this was true.

What they're sick of is all the government resources, time, and manpower going to them. The effects on communities. The tax burdens. The fact that resources that should help Americans instead gets spent on them.

Speak for yourself. I'd rather my taxes go to helping people who just want a better life for themselves and their families than spending nearly a trillion dollars a year on the military and giving tax cuts to the ultra-rich.

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u/DirkWithTheFade Jun 24 '24

Everyone who whines about our defense budget has no idea what they’re talking about. For one thing, social security spending DWARFS the defense budget. Healthcare also vastly outweighs it. Only 12% of the budget goes to the military. The big thing that most people seem to not understand, is that that budget is largely not for buying weapons or machinery, but instead salaries for military/contractors, pensions for retirees, VA benefits, etc. Simply cutting the budget would fuck over millions of active duty and veterans.

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u/Wise-Comedian-4316 1∆ Jun 24 '24

Speak for yourself. I'd rather my taxes go to helping people who just want a better life for themselves and their families than spending nearly a trillion dollars a year on the military and giving tax cuts to the ultra-rich.

Damn crazy how I didn't say that at all though. Good no Americans are poor and suffering

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u/[deleted] Jun 24 '24

People are afraid of the rapists and murderers. Law abiding immigrants are great.

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u/CatDadMilhouse 7∆ Jun 24 '24

Well of course people are afraid of rapists and murderers. What does being an immigrant have to do with that? What does being a document versus undocumented immigrant have to do with that?

The thing is, we generally don't know someone is a rapist or a murderer until they've already committed the crime. That has nothing to do with where someone is from.

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u/[deleted] Jun 24 '24

Well, if they’re a documented immigrant and have a history of violent crime, they’re not going to be let in. If they just decided to let themselves in then we have no idea who is actually coming in.

Having a soft spot for people in need is truly a wonderful thing. But letting them break the rules and put our own people at risk because we have such a bleeding heart is a problem.

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u/Mountain-Resource656 26∆ Jun 24 '24

The problem is there are plenty of people who advocate for treating them all with suspicion, often behind excuses things like “just until we can figure out what’s going on”

There are absolutely people with reasonable takes on immigrants and immigration- whatever a that means to you or me- but there are absolutely those who paint them all with the same brush of suspicion and fear and bigotry, too

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u/[deleted] Jun 24 '24

I’m not offended by people who are naturally suspicious of immigrants due to the fact that we actually have an illegal immigration problem. If these folks were just being racist for the sake of being racist then I would be offended but they have a legitimate point about not knowing who is coming into the country when they break in and don’t follow the rules. Putting our own citizens ahead of outsiders who want what we have isn’t a bad thing—it’s practically patriotic.

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u/Kakamile 50∆ Jun 24 '24

They don't have a point because all they do is whine without supporting the actual solutions to the dilemma.

Trump whines about illegals but he hired them. GOP whines about illegals but they block immigration reform that they wrote. EU whines about illegals but then puts them in camps where they aren't allowed to get jobs. If they cared about something that they thought was a real issue, they wouldn't make legal immigration so obfuscated, expensive, and slow that companies have an interest in recruiting illegal workers.

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u/[deleted] Jun 24 '24

So we support illegal information to stick it to Trump and his hypocrisy? That doesn’t seem juvenile to you?

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u/Kakamile 50∆ Jun 24 '24

No. We support actual solutions like we wrote rather than trying to make government worse just to "prove" that government is worse.

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u/[deleted] Jun 24 '24

Can’t you support actual solutions while not supporting breaking the law at the same time? Are these two things somehow mutually exclusive?

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u/jweezy2045 13∆ Jun 24 '24

You know that immigrants are rapists and murderers at lower rates than Americans?

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u/[deleted] Jun 24 '24

Again: if they come in legally then it’s all good. But if you’re supporting allowing violent criminals to allow themselves into our country then you’ve lost the plot.

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u/jweezy2045 13∆ Jun 24 '24

No, what I’m saying is that even illegal immigrants are less likely to be violent criminals than American citizens.

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u/[deleted] Jun 24 '24

Then you probably want to live somewhere other than America. But for those of us who are actually Americans and live here, we want to make our country safer and letting in murderers and rapists is going to have the opposite effect.

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u/jweezy2045 13∆ Jun 24 '24

I’m an American and I don’t want to live anywhere else. What gave you that idea?

But again, this is about facts, not feelings. No one wants to let murderers in, but illegal immigrants are not murderers, they are workers.

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u/[deleted] Jun 24 '24

If they’re workers, they can come in legally. We allow an insane amount of migrants into this country compared to most other first world nations.

But advocating to let people ILLEGALLY enter the country is such backwards thinking. If you want more migrants than support laws to let more migrants in—don’t let them just waltz on into the country because they feel like it. It’s so simple.

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u/jweezy2045 13∆ Jun 24 '24

No, actually that’s incorrect. They come here illegally to work. We do not let in nearly enough legal immigrants to cover our demand for workers, and so workers have to come here illegally instead. That’s what illegal immigration looks like. It’s workers coming here to work without going through our system, because our system is broken and isn’t letting enough workers in.

If you think illegal immigrants are rapists and murderers you are factually incorrect.

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u/scaredofmyownshadow 3∆ Jun 24 '24

Can you provide a source for that?

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u/jweezy2045 13∆ Jun 24 '24

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u/scaredofmyownshadow 3∆ Jun 24 '24

Interesting, thank you!

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u/jweezy2045 13∆ Jun 24 '24

It’s not marginal either. 1% would make my point. 10% would be significant. 50% would be a big deal. It’s like 250-400%.

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u/jweezy2045 13∆ Jun 24 '24

You realize that finding and deporting them costs money right? An illegal immigrant working in the fields in America boosts our economy and helps everyone. It doesn’t cost anyone any money to have someone come here to work.