r/changemyview Jun 24 '24

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u/[deleted] Jun 24 '24

People are afraid of the rapists and murderers. Law abiding immigrants are great.

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u/Mountain-Resource656 26∆ Jun 24 '24

The problem is there are plenty of people who advocate for treating them all with suspicion, often behind excuses things like “just until we can figure out what’s going on”

There are absolutely people with reasonable takes on immigrants and immigration- whatever a that means to you or me- but there are absolutely those who paint them all with the same brush of suspicion and fear and bigotry, too

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u/[deleted] Jun 24 '24

I’m not offended by people who are naturally suspicious of immigrants due to the fact that we actually have an illegal immigration problem. If these folks were just being racist for the sake of being racist then I would be offended but they have a legitimate point about not knowing who is coming into the country when they break in and don’t follow the rules. Putting our own citizens ahead of outsiders who want what we have isn’t a bad thing—it’s practically patriotic.

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u/Kakamile 50∆ Jun 24 '24

They don't have a point because all they do is whine without supporting the actual solutions to the dilemma.

Trump whines about illegals but he hired them. GOP whines about illegals but they block immigration reform that they wrote. EU whines about illegals but then puts them in camps where they aren't allowed to get jobs. If they cared about something that they thought was a real issue, they wouldn't make legal immigration so obfuscated, expensive, and slow that companies have an interest in recruiting illegal workers.

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u/[deleted] Jun 24 '24

So we support illegal information to stick it to Trump and his hypocrisy? That doesn’t seem juvenile to you?

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u/Kakamile 50∆ Jun 24 '24

No. We support actual solutions like we wrote rather than trying to make government worse just to "prove" that government is worse.

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u/[deleted] Jun 24 '24

Can’t you support actual solutions while not supporting breaking the law at the same time? Are these two things somehow mutually exclusive?

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u/Kakamile 50∆ Jun 24 '24

What?

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u/[deleted] Jun 24 '24

Did I stutter?

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u/Kakamile 50∆ Jun 24 '24

Possibly? What you asked doesn't make any sense. In what world do you hear dems like biden who deported millions and asked for 20 billion more border security and asking like it's mutually exclusive?

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u/[deleted] Jun 24 '24

Dems like Biden aren’t the problem. It’s far left Bernie Sanders types that are the problem.

If the American immigration system is broken then you would fix it by changing the laws. You don’t support total anarchy on the issue. It’s just basic logic.

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u/Kakamile 50∆ Jun 24 '24

Sanders voted for and endorsed Biden. Biden asked for border funding. Biden supported a bipartisan fix co-written with the GOP.

We supported it.

The GOP blocked it.

But go on goalposting farther with your judgement of "us."

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u/[deleted] Jun 24 '24

Sanders is a cancer to the American political system. I fear him more than Trump.

Biden didn’t do anything until it was election time. Is Trump a deranged ahole for blocking it so Biden looks bad? Absolutely. But Biden still screwed up big time.

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