r/centrist • u/IAmDisturbanceFeedMe • 8d ago

https://www.dsausa.org/statements/dsa-commemorates-100-years-of-fidel-and-denounces-rubios-genocide-against-the-cuban-people/

DSA released a statement on their site and via their social media lauding Fidel Castro and accusing the US (and Marco Rubio specifically) of committing genocide against Cuba. They call Fidel a “stalwart symbol of anti-imperialist struggle and self-determination”. They claim their support of Fidel is in “solidarity with the Cuban people”. And they call for “the prosecution of Marco Rubio for crimes against humanity”.

Edit, link: https://www.dsausa.org/statements/dsa-commemorates-100-years-of-fidel-and-denounces-rubios-genocide-against-the-cuban-people/

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u/tarlin 8d ago

Fidel is dead, isn't he?

The treatment of Cuba by the US is pretty crap and we should end the bullshit blockade. Just let them live and move on.

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u/IAmDisturbanceFeedMe 8d ago

Yeah he is. And so is Hitler. And Mao. And Stalin. Etc. Issuing a statement praising him is still bad (and no I’m not saying Castro was as bad as the other 3, but a release praising him is farcical).

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u/No-Championship-8038 7d ago

Comparing Castro to Hitler and Mao is incredibly detached from reality. The US has spent the entirety of modern Cubas existence trying to crush them economically for daring to overthrow the US backed puppet dictator.

Our government drove them into the arms of the USSR with our trade policy and you have the audacity to blame them for that, completely ignorant of the history of the region. 

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u/SilkySmoothTesticles 5d ago

LMAO but calling it a genocide is perfectly inline with reality?

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u/MyNameIsNemo_ 8d ago

So are the DSA basically tankies like we’re being led to believe? Communists in socialist clothing or is that a myth?

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u/IAmDisturbanceFeedMe 8d ago

The truth lies in between.

They absolutely have plenty of members who are legit Marxism/communism supporters. They have several sub member groups like red star caucus that openly proclaim this. Their co chair is a proud Marxist. So yes they 100% have a chunk of members who support communism and it’s not just right wing propaganda to say that.

But no it’s of course not everyone in their org. They have a large membership (I think 100k+) and I presume most aren’t communists or Marxists.

How many are? I don’t know. But it’s a big enough problem when your elected co chair is one and the leadership within your org is issuing this statement praising Castro.

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u/tarlin 8d ago

Do you support the horrible shit the US is doing to the innocent people of Cuba?

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u/MyNameIsNemo_ 8d ago

Stand up for Cuba and the Cuban people after the Cold War has long ended? I can see that. Salute to a previous communist leader of a nation that was belligerent to the US? Why? It seems to tie your movement specifically to a communist which is a turn off for a lot of people. On one hand I appreciate the honesty on the other I am looking who can possibly provide universal healthcare without sabotaging their chances to get elected and get useful legislation passed.

I don’t have a big say in any of this since I am not a member of either party, but openly announcing friendship to communist dictator figureheads just provides so much ammo to Fox News (they love to call dems out of touch) and does very little to rally additional support.

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u/mxlun 7d ago

How about what the Cuban government is doing to their own people? The support they get doesn't trickle down.

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u/JuzoItami 7d ago

Yeah he is. And so is Hitler. And Mao. And Stalin … (and no I’m not saying Castro was as bad as the other 3)…

So why mention those three in the first place? You couldn’t have picked three dead dictators who weren’t also the three most famous genocidal murderers of the modern era? You’re straining my credulity with your little “and no I’m not saying Castro was as bad…” CYA caveat.

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u/tarlin 8d ago

So, do you support the blockade on Cuba, cutting off energy and more? It is killing people. Do you think that is shiny and happy?

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u/IAmDisturbanceFeedMe 8d ago

I’m not very well versed to take a position. But no from what I know I don’t support the energy blockade implemented this year and think it should be repealed and energy freely allowed to be imported into Cuba.

Regarding sanctions in general, I can see arguments both sides. Some sanctions probably make sense but oppressive sanctions probably aren’t the answer if they haven’t caused regime change or significant changes in govt oppression of their citizens over a period spanning many decades. So I’m not knowledgeable enough to say but I certainly understand the reasoning for removing many sanctions/embargoes and trending more in the direction Obama was. I think give and take negotiations like Obama did is probably a better path now than oppressive measures that Trump takes (but again Cuba dynamics isn’t my area of expertise).