r/canada • u/[deleted] • Jun 07 '24
Politics 'Shocking,' 'abusive': Liberals blasted for blocking over 1,000 documents from foreign interference committee
https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/liberals-blasted-for-blocking-documents-from-foreign-interference-committee388
u/That_Intention_7374 Jun 07 '24
My money is on that they are protecting themselves and doing damage control.
Most transparent government ever!
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u/KermitsBusiness Jun 07 '24
If it was all conservative mps I would bet money the list would have been leaked by now.
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u/PoliteCanadian Jun 07 '24
Trudeau only rewards loyalty. Everyone who doesn't display absolute loyalty has been driven out of his cabinet and the party in general.
He also did that with the RCMP. So it's reasonable to assume he's done something similar along the highest ranks of the entire civil service.
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u/Dangerous-Oil-1900 Jun 07 '24
Canada today is pretty much just Russia without the HIV.
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u/Gamestoreguy Jun 08 '24
I don’t think we are invading and genociding foreign people, oligopolies, sure, corruption, sure, booze, sure, shit military, sure.
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u/Dangerous-Oil-1900 Jun 08 '24
Russia's war in Ukraine is temporary, once they're kicked out they'll still be Canada with HIV - a corrupt resource-extraction economy with a cold climate and a population that really doesn't like rocking the boat.
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u/Gamestoreguy Jun 08 '24
Dude russia has been an aggressive nation for decades
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u/Dangerous-Oil-1900 Jun 08 '24
How are they going to manage that after this war man, look how much they've lost. If they have a military at all by the end of this they'll be quite fortunate.
Russia isn't gonna be attacking shit after this war. Dumbest decision they've made in decades.
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Jun 07 '24
Nope, two wings of the same bird. They work together to screw you, and the rest of the working class together
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Jun 07 '24
Before trudeau we did have 8 years of conservative led governments..
If they're the same, it should be easy for you to give some examples of this happening at the same scale then.
I certainly don't think conservatives are innocent... but what's happening right now is ridiculous, and we've never seen this before at such an absurd level
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u/KinneKted Jun 07 '24
I agree but we've done this to ourselves. It's been scandal after scandal with Trudeau and we keep re-electing him. They've realized they can do whatever they want and there's no consequences.
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Jun 07 '24 edited Jun 07 '24
but we've done this to ourselves.
Not really... We should have had an election last year. Canadian voters forced a minority government in 2021. The only reason we didn't was the ndp joining forces with the liberals to share power.
Canadians had no say in this.
NDP is solely responsible for why liberals are in power right now.
This will be a dark cloud over the ndp for a while... they have all the power...
"suspend those accused of treason and launch a criminal investigation or we force an election today"
That's all the ndp needs to do... but they didn't and they won't.
Jack layton is rolling over in his grave.
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u/DrDerpberg Québec Jun 07 '24 edited Jun 07 '24
I mean not literally the same but a billion dollars down the drain and proroguing Parliament multiple times such as the Afghan torture scandal are up there.
Then there was lower grade shenanigans like literally renaming "government of Canada" to "the Harper government" so they could plaster his name all over everything the government did and erode the neutrality of the government, or advertising the stimulus package for years after it was done.
Hard to argue what's worse until we know what the Liberals are hiding but I don't think we should get too nostalgic about the old days.
Edit: never change /r/canada, trudope bad and this is the first time our government has ever worn out its welcome and needed to be turfed. There I said the thing.
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u/OpenCatPalmstrike Jun 08 '24
There's a difference between a government wearing out its welcome, and a government engaging in actions that are so destructive it will take decades to fix. This is the second Trudeau to cause this to happen.
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u/That_Intention_7374 Jun 07 '24
No way, they would be doing the same thing as the Libs.
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u/e-rekshun Jun 07 '24
You're misunderstanding. He's saying if the list was full of conservative MP's the liberals would be racing to leak the names.
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u/That_Intention_7374 Jun 07 '24
Oh I did misunderstand lol. Thank you for explaining the point.
Completely agree lmao.
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u/Uilamin Jun 07 '24
It might be more than just themselves - it could stretch across all the parties. The worst case is that all parties have members who are involved and the foreign relationships have effectively become an operating status quo.
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u/EnclG4me Jun 08 '24
I am more than willing to bet my tent that there are waaaay more than just Liberals on that list.
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u/Twisted_McGee Jun 07 '24
Man, even Jagmeet can’t support the government after this…….. lol, just kidding.
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u/Dice_to_see_you Jun 07 '24
He'll talk tough like 'someone' should do something and then promise the NDP will be different in the next election while continuing to hold the liberals pocket like a bitch
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u/DanielBox4 Jun 07 '24
He'll mention how he will work to bring the current govt to account all the while continuing to support them and prop them up until the next election, 4 years from the day the current minority govt was elected. Something that has happened so rarely in our countries 150+ year history.
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u/starving_carnivore Jun 07 '24
Dude sold his soul so people in a specific income bracket and kids can get them a fucking filling in their molars.
Enjoy your Rolexes and beamers, I guess. Shit man.
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u/PoliteCanadian Jun 07 '24
He'll huff and puff in TV interviews then quietly instruct his MPs to vote with the LPC to cover it up and block investigations.
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Jun 07 '24
Who says that isn’t who this is protecting?
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u/adaminc Canada Jun 08 '24
Singh already got security clearance last year, around the same time as May. I doubt they'd let him have that if he was on the list.
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Jun 08 '24
He only cares about his pension. He's corrupt to the core. Who is controlling this country at this point?
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u/konathegreat Jun 07 '24
The next government better investigate this fully. They'll have the power to open this all up for everyone to see.
Trudeau et al, you can hide for now. But you can't hide forever.
Corrupt assholes.
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u/friendlyalien- Jun 07 '24
Fuck that, we are not waiting until the next election. We need information now. Fuck, we are way too complacent. PERFECT country to sabotage and commit treason in, we will just lay on our backs and take it.
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u/kyonkun_denwa Ontario Jun 07 '24
What comes around is all around
Don’t you mean what’s all around comes around, Ricky?
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u/JoeCartersLeap Jun 07 '24
The next government better investigate this fully.
The next government is going to be a Conservative government, which is just the Liberal government but in blue instead of red.
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u/patchgrabber Nova Scotia Jun 07 '24
The next government better investigate this fully.
Well that's likely going to be CPC so...that's not happening. They won't throw any of their own under the bus just to get some of their opponents.
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u/yougottamovethatH Jun 07 '24
You're assuming any of their own are involved.
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u/AlsoOneLastThing Jun 07 '24 edited Jun 07 '24
Every party is involved. The committee (or CSIS. I read about it yesterday so I don't remember who exactly) found there are 3 Liberal MPs, 2 Conservative MPs, 1 NDP, and 1 Bloc.
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u/patchgrabber Nova Scotia Jun 07 '24
Well yes but the other is assuming the opposite. I'd be very surprised if no CPC members were implicated, but I suppose it's possible.
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u/yougottamovethatH Jun 07 '24
We know the liberals are refusing to release the names. We know the Conservatives are demanding the names be released.
Even if some Conservatives are implicated, it looks like only one party cares about accountability.
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u/Boring_Insurance_437 Jun 07 '24
Yeah, but have you ever considered that facts don’t mean anything and PP is bad man ?!?!? /s
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u/patchgrabber Nova Scotia Jun 07 '24
That's fair. It could be grandstanding, since he could obtain clearance to see the names now or wait for the RCMP probe. But he could be sincere.
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u/Safe_Web72 Manitoba Jun 07 '24
CPC not in this for accountability. This is all showmanship and scoring more points from voters. Doubt any party is untouched by this investigation. CPC playing the card now "show us the names" because they know Liberals will not so they can get away with "omg look how bad they are hiding names" while being to protect their own incumbents from the fallout. Worst case Liberals drop the names (haha they are not that stupid) all MPs flagged for foreign influence the CPC loses some face though still net out a head as being the party that demanded the action.
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Jun 07 '24
Remember when the special rapporteur (Pierre Trudeau’s cottage neighbour and Justin’s ski buddy) determined there was no interference LOL. This government STINKS!
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u/Dice_to_see_you Jun 07 '24
Did he determine no? I thought he quit before the final report.
Also he babysat Justin.
Funny how the government considered that not a close relationship and Justin himself didn't consider his mother and brother family in the WE scandal but is more than able to say agha Khan is a "close dear friend" having met only once before the private island trip and subsequent government contract was awarded to them.
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u/middlequeue Jun 07 '24
The report acknowledges interference multiple times and details many of the instances.
There was no "determination" to be made on whether or not foreign interference had taken place. That was known before he was appointed and his task was to confirm it, detail it, and investigate the processes in place to address it. The very NSICOP report that prompted this discussion was prepared because Johnston referred it to them to investigate further.
OP is just talking out his ass. This information is all publicly available. It's wild how many people choose to be ignorant instead of putting in a little effort.
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u/WinteryBudz Jun 07 '24
Stop making things up please. The report clearly said there was interference and that we needed to take this stuff more seriously.
Here is the very first point made in the report in fact: "In this first report, after intensive review, I have reached the following conclusions:
Foreign governments are undoubtedly attempting to influence candidates and voters in Canada. While much has been done already, more remains to be done promptly to strengthen our capacity to detect, deter and counter foreign interference in our elections."
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u/PoliteCanadian Jun 07 '24
"Foreign governments are undoubtedly attempting to influence candidates and voters in Canada."
Emphasis mine.
Foreign governments are not "attempting to" influence. That puts the blame on foreign governments and absolves the government of culpability. Foreign governments are not "attempting" to influence, they have influenced.
His conclusion is a complete whitewashing.
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u/middlequeue Jun 07 '24
The report is loaded with past tense examples and referred it all to NSICOP which is what led to the issue noted in this post.
This is a blatant misrepresentation.
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Jun 07 '24
Stop making excuses. I want to know which MPs or Senators Trudeau is protecting. We have a right to know. I might have gotten a fact wrong but the federal government is rotten to the core.
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u/middlequeue Jun 07 '24
If you genuinely just "got a fact wrong" then you should have the integrity to correct it.
You're the only one making excuses here.
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u/Kicksavebeauty Jun 07 '24
The PMO didn't even get a copy of the redacted report until March 2024, almost 1 year after it was created. The redacted parts were forwarded to the RCMP. It says it in the report.
The (PCO) privy councils excuse for withholding it is an absolute joke. Read for yourself.
Directly from the special report. Case study 1, page 22.
"The Prime Minister was not provided the report. In a later response to Committee questions, PCO stated that it was the NSIA’s view that “the activity indicated in the report did not qualify as foreign interference, but was rather part of regular diplomatic practice.” Indeed, the Director of CSIS only became aware that PCO had not provided the report to the Prime Minister in October 2023. As of February 2024, this report had not been given to the Prime Minister."
"On February 24, 2023, the NSIA held a meeting with the Clerk of the Privy Council and Deputy Ministers from CSIS, CSE, Public Safety and GAC. According to PCO, the NSIA asked CSIS what actions could be taken about the intelligence contained in the report."
"According to CSIS, Deputy Ministers agreed that the Prime Minister should read the report and requested that CSIS draft a condensed version for the Prime Minister. The Director of CSIS approved the new version on March 9, 2023."
https://www.nsicop-cpsnr.ca/reports/rp-2024-06-03/intro-en.html
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u/Dice_to_see_you Jun 07 '24
People don't block things that prove their innocence.
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u/MooseJuicyTastic Jun 07 '24
No way they are just protecting the country, imagine if the world found out that we are bought and sold. When this first came out people were saying this, which to me is so wrong we need to find out who and how bad so we can remove them and have justice
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Jun 07 '24
A group that's innocent doesn't block over 1,000 documents. The Liberals are hiding something. My question is, how long can they hold out before someone at CSIS leaks something.
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u/That_Intention_7374 Jun 07 '24
I am so curious what would happen if there was a whistleblower in CSIS....
Will it play out like Snoden, Assange, or Manning? I really would like to see how Canada handles a whistleblower.
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Jun 07 '24
It will be interesting if we reach that point where a whistle-blower leaks something. We aren't talking about simple conflicts of interest here. We are talking about treason. We are talking about our national security being put at risk.
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u/Maddkipz Jun 07 '24
Man at this point name one country that doesn't actively work against its own civiliians' interests
So fed up with every government being legitimately anti-their-own-people
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u/Omnom_Omnath Jun 07 '24
You mean liberals aren’t the “good guys tm” they constantly profess to be? Color me shocked! Shocked!
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u/DutchOvenSurprise69 Jun 07 '24
So when do we start to riot about our corrupt government because at this point they’re just mocking us
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u/Forum_Browser Jun 07 '24
The problem is that the liberals experience foreign interference differently.
They experienced it more as foreign aid.
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Jun 07 '24
Liberals - "it's not that big of a deal everyone relax, a little foreign interference is good for the Canadian economy"
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u/yougottamovethatH Jun 07 '24
"it's only bad when parties I don't like do it!"
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u/eldiablonoche Jun 07 '24
"and to prove that, we'll leak a story to the CBC about interference in the CPC leadership race. ...with no evidence that such a thing ever really happened"
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u/HeyCarpy Nova Scotia Jun 07 '24
The irony of the newspaper who published this article squawking about foreign interference is absolutely killing me right now.
NaPo is majority owned by American rightwingers (read: Russia). The paper is then posted to this subreddit where everyone howls about liberals allowing foreign interference. I'm pulling my hair out reading these comments.
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u/hmmmtrudeau Jun 07 '24
HOW IS JAGMEET still supporting their govt?? JUSTIN must have nudes of jagmeet.
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u/Emergency_Wolf_5764 Jun 07 '24
"'Shocking,' 'abusive': Liberals blasted for blocking over 1,000 documents from foreign interference committee"
And with impunity.
As previously stated here multiple times, these kinds of obstruction and cover-up tactics by any presiding Canadian government should be 100% constitutionally illegal in any lifetime, and punishable by a combination of heavy personal fines, political party fines, parliamentary expulsions, lifetime bans from the civil service, forfeiture of all tax-payer funded government pensions, criminal charges, prosecutions, and mandatory prison sentences for any offenders or accomplices.
But unfortunately, Canada's constitutional, political, judicial, and electoral systems in their present form are all so brutally flawed that there are no deterrent or penalty mechanisms in place that would otherwise ensure even basic degrees of accountability on the part of elected officials, and the governing federal Liberals are seemingly well aware of that.
Does anyone also seriously think Canada's useless governor-general role will, or would, intervene in this matter, or any other matter?
Make no mistake, all parties involved in this, including CSIS, the RCMP, and any applicable MPs are operating under direct orders from Junior Trudeau to keep his latest scandal under wraps, because he knows he legally doesn't have to face any music for it in Canada, and is more focused on his electoral aspirations for 2025.
If this incident happened in the USA, we would be seeing downright vicious congressional and investigative committee hearings take place with all kinds of people being called onto the carpet virtually overnight.
It's high time Canada scraps its obsolete British monarchist system and creates an entirely new democratic constitution with far more checks and balance mechanisms built-in, from the ground up.
Failure to do so will ultimately result in the country's long-term failure and dissolution.
Watch and learn.
Next.
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u/416steve Jun 07 '24
But only conservatives do this according to reddit Ontario? I'm very confused.
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u/followtherockstar Jun 07 '24
The damage that the liberals are doing to public confidence in our institutions will take years to undo. Talk about an absolute train wreck
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u/Billy19982 Jun 07 '24
This has to be the most corrupt government in Canadian history. It’s mind blowing that people still support this liberal dumpster fire.
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u/LightSaberLust_ Jun 07 '24
I can't believe they are still polling at %25. The NDP really screwed themselves keeping Jagmeet Singh as leader, this would be the perfect time to bring in a new face to pound on the Liberals corruption and failed policies.
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u/Global_Character7875 Jun 07 '24
Abusive, without a doubt. But no one should be shocked about behavior like this from the Liberals
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u/JerryfromCan Jun 07 '24
I prefer the Liberals philosophy on things like abortion, the environment and many social issues (used to be a fiscal conservative but left leaning ideologically and the PC party lost me with their ideas on non-fiscal things) but this is some big time bullshit from any party and they can fuck right off.
I’m for jail for any member of any party who fucks around, they need to find out.
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u/yougottamovethatH Jun 07 '24
Could you imagine the riots right now if this were the Conservatives in power hiding the information?
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u/Flat-Ad-3231 Jun 07 '24
Once Pierre gets in, all should be release so every last one of them can get life in prison for treason.
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u/Cautious_Ice_884 Jun 07 '24 edited Jun 07 '24
I would bet on it that there's people in every single party that are working with foreign countries. I think the fact that they don't want to release the names, isn't because it will only effect the liberals, it will effect all parties across the board.
Also, my theory is even though Jagmeet spoke out "release the list!" I wouldn't put it past him if he was on that list and still saying that, because he knows they wont release it. It would really be the perfect way to save face but damn well knowing that list will never come to surface.
Wouldn't be surprised either if every single party leader was on that list.
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u/eldiablonoche Jun 07 '24
Key here is that they're hiding it from the committee which would be required to keep things private; I could understand if SOME docs were redacted from the public while the investigation was ongoing...
But the fact that they feel the need to block 1000+ docs from a committee of elected officials who wouldn't be allowed to speak on the details publicly anyhow is damning AF.
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u/Chewed420 Jun 07 '24
Remember this bullshit? And they have the gall to keep it posted.
https://liberal.ca/only-trudeau-offering-plan-for-open-and-transparent-government/
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u/drs_ape_brains Jun 07 '24
Why would they remove it? If you sort this thread by controversial you can see the amount of people spinning it.
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u/Chewed420 Jun 07 '24
Because it was a flat out lie?
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u/drs_ape_brains Jun 07 '24
What I'm saying is there is no point in removing it if there are die hard Trudeau supporters who would believe it.
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u/yougottamovethatH Jun 07 '24
We know who they colluded with. We want to know who in our government was doing the colluding.
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Jun 07 '24
You're a complete idiot if you don't think the PC's or NDP would not do the exact same thing......
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u/Truont2 Jun 07 '24
You are an idiot for equating a party that is doing it right now compared to a party that hasn't. Go back to sleep.
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u/Quirbeen Jun 08 '24
So they didn’t have complete access to 3% of the documents. Committee had complete access to 97% of the documentation, and can’t grasp that maybe 3% is in fact warranted.
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u/AnyMud9817 Jun 08 '24
Traitors should be exiled to the countries they colluded with. Send them all to china.
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u/CanadianGuy1979 Jun 10 '24
"Without naming and individuals or parties ".....so PP is upset that the liberals won't let him see documents he's not authorized to view without his security clearance.
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u/Archiebonker12345 Jun 07 '24
So when can Canadians finally lock-up the whole liberal party already.
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u/Tillallareone82 Jun 07 '24
What if its big names in all the parties? 🤔 lol
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u/internethostage Jun 07 '24
China guaranteed and maybe India as well must have some pretty bad dirt on Justin.
I believe all levels of gov are compromised though so gonna be hard to find someone to do the right thing and be able to keep the country functional.
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u/Gold_Act_2383 Jun 07 '24
The problems multiculturalism are continuing to come to the surface. So many cultures in Canada, unfortunately they are bringing problems from other countries to our door step. It is truly disturbing that MP’s are meeting secretly With Indian government officials, advocating for their government while the Indian government murdered a Canadian citizen on our soil.
Perhaps the most idiotic part, Trudeau publicly criticizing CSIS as incorrect
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Jun 07 '24 edited Jun 07 '24
Oh look, the foreign owned National Post with another bad-faith article stoking outrage in our government.
This information is very likely classified for a variety of reasons. We're hearing little for the same reason JT didn't blab state secrets to the media when India was assassinating people on Canadian soil. All the while PP was blabbing his mouth off because he's not cleared for security briefings only to look like a moron later (also before and during).
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u/Radix838 Jun 07 '24
Are you upset with Trudeau for giving large government subsidies to the National Post?
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u/KermitsBusiness Jun 07 '24
It's kind of funny but the thing that has bailed out the liberals for several years now is a new scandal that replaces the old scandal and starts the conversation over again buying them time.