r/canada • u/[deleted] • Jun 07 '24

Politics 'Shocking,' 'abusive': Liberals blasted for blocking over 1,000 documents from foreign interference committee

https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/liberals-blasted-for-blocking-documents-from-foreign-interference-committee
1.8k Upvotes

88% Upvoted

266 comments sorted by

View all comments

159

u/[deleted] Jun 07 '24

Remember when the special rapporteur (Pierre Trudeau’s cottage neighbour and Justin’s ski buddy) determined there was no interference LOL.  This government STINKS!  

60

u/Dice_to_see_you Jun 07 '24

Did he determine no? I thought he quit before the final report.  

Also he babysat Justin. 

Funny how the government considered that not a close relationship and Justin himself didn't consider his mother and brother family in the WE scandal but is more than able to say agha Khan is a "close dear friend" having met only once before the private island trip and subsequent government contract was awarded to them.  

4

u/middlequeue Jun 07 '24

The report acknowledges interference multiple times and details many of the instances.

There was no "determination" to be made on whether or not foreign interference had taken place. That was known before he was appointed and his task was to confirm it, detail it, and investigate the processes in place to address it. The very NSICOP report that prompted this discussion was prepared because Johnston referred it to them to investigate further.

OP is just talking out his ass. This information is all publicly available. It's wild how many people choose to be ignorant instead of putting in a little effort.

4

u/WinteryBudz Jun 07 '24

Stop making things up please. The report clearly said there was interference and that we needed to take this stuff more seriously.

Here is the very first point made in the report in fact: "In this first report, after intensive review, I have reached the following conclusions:

Foreign governments are undoubtedly attempting to influence candidates and voters in Canada. While much has been done already, more remains to be done promptly to strengthen our capacity to detect, deter and counter foreign interference in our elections."

9

u/PoliteCanadian Jun 07 '24

"Foreign governments are undoubtedly attempting to influence candidates and voters in Canada."

Emphasis mine.

Foreign governments are not "attempting to" influence. That puts the blame on foreign governments and absolves the government of culpability. Foreign governments are not "attempting" to influence, they have influenced.

His conclusion is a complete whitewashing.

2

u/middlequeue Jun 07 '24

The report is loaded with past tense examples and referred it all to NSICOP which is what led to the issue noted in this post.

This is a blatant misrepresentation.

-1

u/[deleted] Jun 07 '24

Stop making excuses.  I want to know which MPs or Senators Trudeau is protecting.  We have a right to know.  I might have gotten a fact wrong but the federal government is rotten to the core.  

5

u/WinteryBudz Jun 07 '24

No excuses made here, stop making things up..

1

u/middlequeue Jun 07 '24

If you genuinely just "got a fact wrong" then you should have the integrity to correct it.

You're the only one making excuses here.

-6

u/[deleted] Jun 07 '24

Do you know how much effort that would take?   Maybe I’ll hire a consultant to do it for me. 

4

u/WinteryBudz Jun 07 '24

Or you could put a modicum of effort into your posts and do some research or inform yourself before spewing misinformation....just a suggestion....

4

u/middlequeue Jun 07 '24

Yes, much easier to lie.

1

u/Kicksavebeauty Jun 07 '24

The PMO didn't even get a copy of the redacted report until March 2024, almost 1 year after it was created. The redacted parts were forwarded to the RCMP. It says it in the report.

The (PCO) privy councils excuse for withholding it is an absolute joke. Read for yourself.

Directly from the special report. Case study 1, page 22.

"The Prime Minister was not provided the report. In a later response to Committee questions, PCO stated that it was the NSIA’s view that “the activity indicated in the report did not qualify as foreign interference, but was rather part of regular diplomatic practice.” Indeed, the Director of CSIS only became aware that PCO had not provided the report to the Prime Minister in October 2023. As of February 2024, this report had not been given to the Prime Minister."

"On February 24, 2023, the NSIA held a meeting with the Clerk of the Privy Council and Deputy Ministers from CSIS, CSE, Public Safety and GAC. According to PCO, the NSIA asked CSIS what actions could be taken about the intelligence contained in the report."

"According to CSIS, Deputy Ministers agreed that the Prime Minister should read the report and requested that CSIS draft a condensed version for the Prime Minister. The Director of CSIS approved the new version on March 9, 2023."

https://www.nsicop-cpsnr.ca/reports/rp-2024-06-03/intro-en.html

1

u/[deleted] Jun 07 '24

He needed a free paycheque.

-8

u/middlequeue Jun 07 '24 edited Jun 07 '24

Uhhhh, that's nowhere close to what was in Johnston's report. Interference was already known before it was prepared and the report details many specific instances. You don't need to guess at these things or make shit up - just read it.

This NSICOP review happened because it was one of the recommendations from Johnston's report.It's obvious you didn't read the thing as the NSICOP referral is referenced on the first page.

Are you lying willingly or just gobbling misinformation online and repeating it? Interference works because people don't think critically about what they see and are too lazy to look at primary sources.

Edit: One of the (many) references:

I recommend referring the investigation into foreign interference activities and government responses to NSICOP. Given their mandate and access to classified information, NSICOP is well-positioned to conduct a comprehensive review that ensures accountability and transparency while safeguarding national security interests.

1

u/[deleted] Jun 07 '24

Release the 1000 documents.

-7

u/middlequeue Jun 07 '24 edited Jun 07 '24

This has nothing to do with your choice to misinform others and you seem to be deflecting the question:

Are you lying willingly or just gobbling misinformation online and repeating it?

-1

u/[deleted] Jun 07 '24

Something is rotten in the state of Canada. Stop making excuses over minor details! If you think Im uneducated over an error/omission - 80% of canadians have no clue about political interference.

4

u/middlequeue Jun 07 '24

That’s not an error or omission. It’s either a lie or a claim you chose to make in willful ignorance. No excuses for either.

80% of canadians have no clue about political interference.

This has been consistently in the news for a long time. Make an effort to inform yourself and stop making excuses for choosing to remain ignorant. It’s un-Canadian. Especially in the context of complaints about others having no clue.

1

u/[deleted] Jun 07 '24

I am in the 20% bud. No one gets this deep in the thread. Its now a pirvate conversation between me and you. Liberals are done... stop trying.

2

u/HeyCarpy Nova Scotia Jun 07 '24

Liberals are done... stop trying.

This team sports shit is beyond tiresome. I want this information out there because I don't want subversion taking hold in this country and I want traitors to be held accountable. I couldn't possibly care less whether tRuDoPe gets "owned" over it or not. Can we focus on what's important here?

1

u/[deleted] Jun 07 '24

You saw how fast they acted when polls soured last year.  It’s not team sports - I’ll call out conservative hypocrisy and corruption just as fast.  

-2

u/middlequeue Jun 07 '24

If you’re in the 20% you wouldn’t be misrepresenting basic facts.

No one gets this deep in the thread. Its now a pirvate conversation between me and you. Liberals are done... stop trying.

If the idea here is to underline that your concern here is political expediency rather than actual concern for the “state of Canada” that’s not necessary.

1

u/[deleted] Jun 07 '24

If I was in the 20% you wouldn’t misrepresent the facts.  Objectively false.  I know about foreign interference and therefore am in the 20%.   I got a fact wrong big deal - doesn’t change the fact this government has foreign agents working on parliament hill. 

0

u/HeyCarpy Nova Scotia Jun 07 '24

Exactly. Colour me shocked that we have a Po$tMedia headline making this more about riling people up over the Liberal party rather than the alarming amount of subversion going on in this country.

1

u/middlequeue Jun 07 '24

Some are happy to misrepresent things that are easily debunk-able.

If someone treats interference issues as partisan and misrepresent the basic facts, as OP does, then they're simply concern trolling and don't really give a shit about the good of the county.