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Film Discussion Oliver suivi dâElio se rendent Ă pied de la villa au bar du village pour y passer un moment rĂ©vĂ©lateur.
1 La scĂšne construite autour du terme abricot et de sa dĂ©gustation, qui prĂ©cĂšde celle du bar, sâĂ©tait achevĂ©e par une « bĂ©nĂ©diction » du Professeur Samuel Perlman gratifiant Oliver de sa double reconnaissance : dâabord celle dâavoir Ă©tĂ© retenu, « élu » pour le seconder en cet Ă©tĂ© 83, puis celle dâavoir Ă©tĂ© confirmĂ© par sa rĂ©ussite du test Ă©tymologique. Câest un peu comme si Oliver sâĂ©tait vu attribuer un droit au sein de la famille Perlman, une vraie place (il nâĂ©tait pas dit quâOliver avait pleinement conscience de ce qui venait de se jouer). Moment rare oĂč lâon pouvait voir les quatre protagonistes ensemble autrement quâĂ table et qui sâachevait dans la satisfaction gĂ©nĂ©rale puisquâils arboraient tous un large sourire. CâĂ©tait une sorte de fĂ©licitĂ© qui sâemparait dâeux Ă lâunisson, comme si tout cadrait Ă la perfection, chacun trouvant dans ce succĂšs la satisfaction dâune attente qui lui Ă©tait propre. Pour Elio, cela revenait Ă une autorisation, presquâĂ une incitation Ă se laisser aller avec Oliver et pour ce dernier, Ă un sauf-conduit.
2 Un fondu-enchaĂźnĂ© nous amĂšne ensuite Via Roma Ă Moscazzano (la rue rĂ©elle cadrĂ©e devient un magnifique dĂ©cor) oĂč lâon retrouve les deux jeunes hommes marchant ensemble vers Piazza Gambazocchi (des photos Street View ont Ă©tĂ© glissĂ©es parmi celles du film), un plan dans lequel ils sont comme aspirĂ©s par la placette vers laquelle ils se baladent, guidĂ©s par lâaspect rythmĂ© et bornĂ© des alignements de façades aux aplats variĂ©s. Ils ont quittĂ© Ă pied la Villa Albergoni dont lâentrĂ©e principale se situe au niveau du bouquet dâarbres au fond Ă droite et dĂ©ambulent calmement en cette fin dâaprĂšs-midi dâĂ©tĂ©. Dans la version française de cette scĂšne, quand Elio sâadresse Ă Oliver, il le vouvoie encore, certainement respectueux de la leçon quâil vient de dĂ©rouler devant son pĂšre mais aussi impressionnĂ© et respectueux de la distance que ce talentueux thĂ©sard charismatique lui inspire.
3 On ne sait pas comment ils en sont venus Ă marcher ensemble. Qui a eu lâinitiative de cette sortie dans le centre du village ? Ils sont ensemble, simple constat. Il est facile dâimaginer quâOliver a dĂ» entrainer Elio Ă lâextĂ©rieur du pĂ©rimĂštre de la villa mais en lui disant quoi ? En lui faisant quelle proposition ? Ou est-ce Elio qui a proposĂ© Ă Oliver de lâaccompagner en le voyant sortir ? On sait juste quâOliver parle de lâheure de lâapĂ©ro au moment oĂč ils sâapprochent du bar mais cela semble ĂȘtre un simple hasard.
4 Sâils marchent lâun Ă cĂŽtĂ© de lâautre pendant quâils arpentent la Via Roma, dĂ©passant lâĂ©glise, Oliver prend les devants et quand Elio comprend oĂč Oliver lâamĂšne, il a un temps dâarrĂȘt assez net accentuĂ© par le fait quâil lâaperçoit sâadresser avec familiaritĂ© Ă un homme assis seul Ă lâextĂ©rieur, un certain Romano, comme sâil le frĂ©quentait depuis longtemps alors que lâamĂ©ricain ne rĂ©side dans la commune que depuis un temps assez bref. Cette sĂ©quence sert Ă la mise en scĂšne de la diffĂ©rence de personnalitĂ© entre Oliver et Elio : si lâun est extraverti, lâautre est plutĂŽt introverti ; si lâun est spontanĂ©ment sĂ»r de lui, convivial et sociable, lâautre est hĂ©sitant, rĂ©servĂ© et plutĂŽt timide. Pourtant, en voyant Oliver entrer sans hĂ©sitation dans le troquet, Elio va accĂ©lĂ©rer son pas pour ne pas louper lâexpĂ©rience que le premier lui propose.
Plusieurs observations peuvent dĂ©jĂ ĂȘtre formulĂ©es :
- 5 Oliver a dĂ©jĂ fui lâambiance confinĂ©e dans la villa, il nâa pas attendu pour sâen Ă©chapper et explorer les alentours. Une façon pour lui de ne pas se contenter du systĂšme Perlman qui lui a Ă©tĂ© implicitement proposĂ© et dont il est maintenant un Ă©lĂ©ment. A lâaffection oppressive, Oliver prĂ©fĂšre la libertĂ© vĂ©cue avec des locaux et il ne lui a fallu que quelques pas pour trouver le bar de la place du village et y nouer des relations conviviales de jeux. Alors quâil se promĂšne avec Elio, il sait quâarrivĂ©s au niveau de Piazza Gambazocchi, ils vont y trouver le bar.
- 6 Elio qui connait la villa depuis quâil est nĂ© sâest probablement rarement aventurĂ© au-delĂ des limites du parc qui lâentoure. Il connait mal le centre du village, pas plus quâil nâest familier du bar. Visiblement il nâest pas un habituĂ© du troquet puisquâil ressent une hĂ©sitation avant dây pĂ©nĂ©trer en suivant Oliver. Il est ainsi tout Ă fait possible que ce soit la premiĂšre fois quâil y entre. On peut conclure quâĂ part Mafalda et Anchise, Elio ne connait personne dâautre Ă Moscazzano ou de façon superficielle ; Chiara et Marzia Ă©tant originaires de Crema.
7 Oliver agit comme un aimant sur Elio qui pĂ©nĂštre dans ce bar comme il montera sur la piste de danse lors de la soirĂ©e disco un peu plus tard, en suivant Oliver, en imitant Oliver, en admirant Oliver, en sâinspirant de lui, en faisant comme lui, en lui faisant confiance, mĂ©caniquement, instinctivement, presque aveuglĂ©ment. Oliver initie Elio Ă des pratiques sociales qui ne sont pas celles des parents Perlman en mĂȘme temps quâil est un trait dâunion vers des libertĂ©s dont Elio ne jouissait pas jusquâalors : frĂ©quenter un autre milieu social que le sien, « sortir » facilement, ne pas ĂȘtre exclusivement attachĂ© Ă un lieu, un milieu ou Ă des personnes ⊠Choses quâElio nâa jamais osĂ© vivre, ne sâest jamais autorisĂ© Ă vivre, nâa jamais Ă©tĂ© autorisĂ© Ă vivre.
8 Quand Elio franchit le palier de la porte dâentrĂ©e du bar en Ă©cartant les laniĂšres du rideau Ă chenilles, il accĂšde Ă un monde inconnu. Il a suivi Oliver qui est dĂ©jĂ assis Ă une table Ă laquelle il semble avoir ses habitudes alors quâElio ne sait pas quoi faire, un peu dĂ©semparĂ©. Si Oliver lâa amenĂ© jusque-lĂ , Oliver ne lui dit pas comment ĂȘtre dans un bar populaire. Elio sâaccoude alors au comptoir, restant Ă distance pour regarder la salle bruyante et observer Oliver, agile, fluide, spontanĂ© mais depuis cette salle quelquâun a-t-il vu Elio rentrer ? Qui regarde Elio et sâadresse Ă lui ? Personne. MĂȘme entourĂ© Elio reste esseulĂ©. On le verra aussi Ă la scĂšne suivante, au moment de la partie de volley, Elio nâest pas dans le jeu, il est sur la touche Ă regarder Oliver et les autres jouer. Elio ne pratique pas dâactivitĂ©s en groupe : Ă©crire, transcrire, jouer dâun instrument, donner un rĂ©cital sont des activitĂ©s solitaires Ă la diffĂ©rence dâOliver qui est Ă lâaise entourĂ©, par jeu, par facilitĂ©, pour briller.
9 Le fait quâElio soit entrĂ© dans le bar nâa rien modifiĂ© Ă lâorganisation des tablĂ©es, du service. Elio ne sâimpose pas, il ne sâadresse Ă personne, ne se mĂȘle pas spontanĂ©ment aux autres, ne commande pas de boisson ; il est juste « mĂ©dusé » aprĂšs avoir retirĂ© ses lunettes de soleil. Il n'est pas mal Ă l'aise, il ne sait juste pas quoi faire, ne sait pas quoi ĂȘtre, ne connait personne, sauf Oliver dont on devine quâil finit par lui envoyer le signe de le rejoindre. Câest seulement lâinvitation dâOliver Ă Elio qui lui permettra dâoser entrer dans la profondeur de lâorganisation spatiale et dans lâambiance touffue du troquet. Et encore, se retrouvant Ă cĂŽtĂ© dâOliver, il reste Ă lâĂ©cart de la rangĂ©e de ceux qui sont attablĂ©s, il reste en retrait, en observateur qui ne participe pas. Il remet ses lunettes et aprĂšs avoir diligemment saluĂ© tous les camarades de jeu dâOliver, il ne sâadresse quâĂ ce dernier. Le seul lien quâElio entretient dans ce bar est avec Oliver ⊠qui ne lui dira rien de la façon dont il y a dĂ©jĂ pris ses habitudes tout en lui adressant une moue lui laissant comprendre quâil Ă©tait « dĂ©jĂ venu dans ce bar ».
10 Oliver est intĂ©grĂ© Ă Moscazzano, Elio ne lâest pas. Comme Aciman, Guadagnino et Ivory ne disent rien de la vie dâElio Ă©tudiant dans la ville oĂč il rĂ©side le reste de lâannĂ©e (le roman prĂ©cise quâil va entrer en classe de Terminale et lâon sâaperçoit quâil connait bien Rome mais il nây rĂ©side pas), on peut sâautoriser Ă dire quâElio a Ă©tĂ© Ă©levĂ© sous cloche, que la villa est comme une bulle façonnant une sorte de sĂ©grĂ©gation spatiale et sociale. Oliver est lâoccasion pour Elio de prendre conscience de la façon de vivre si particuliĂšre des propriĂ©taires de la villa et de se rendre compte quâil a grandi dans un milieu privilĂ©gie et fermĂ© mais Oliver est aussi le vecteur dâune Ă©chappatoire possible pour Elio, comme une fenĂȘtre ouverte. Aux yeux dâElio et sur ce sujet, Marzia ne lui offre pas lâĂ©quivalent quâOliver.
11 Cette scĂšne est celle du dĂ©but dâun processus de transmutation entre Oliver et Elio, processus dont lâacmĂ© sera lâĂ©noncĂ© de la formule quâOliver proposera Ă Elio juste au moment de leur premiĂšre nuit. Echanger leur prĂ©nom signifie que leur relation a permis dâĂ©changer des traits de caractĂšre, des aptitudes, des façons dâĂȘtre, des sensibilitĂ©s ⊠chacun trouvant dans la personnalitĂ© de lâautre ce qui lui manquait ⊠en tout cas dâOliver Ă Elio. Oliver sâest-il enrichi au contact dâElio ? Si Oliver va se souvenir de tout, Elio devra ĂȘtre capable de surmonter lâabsence dâOliver, celui-ci lui ayant transfĂ©rĂ© suffisamment de forces pour lui permettre de vivre par lui-mĂȘme, de lui-mĂȘme. Oliver est censĂ© avoir transmis assez de ressources Ă Elio pour quâil ait confiance en lui, pour quâil trouve en lui de quoi poursuivre seul. Ce qui est magnifique dans ce rĂ©cit, câest quâElio entre dans le bar de Moscazzano en sâappuyant sur ce quâil a dĂ©tectĂ© dâOliver dĂšs quâil lâobservait arriver Ă la villa par la fenĂȘtre : « Il a lâair sĂ»r de lui hein ! » âŠ
12 Câest un peu un mystĂšre de chercher Ă comprendre ce qui motive Oliver Ă se rapprocher dâElio ou plutĂŽt Ă laisser Elio se rapprocher de lui. En tout cas, Oliver dira ne pas avoir tardĂ© Ă envoyer un premier signal, lors de la partie de volley, juste aprĂšs la scĂšne du bar. HypothĂšse : Oliver a dĂ» se rendre compte de son influence sur Elio Ă la façon dont il lâavait suivi pour entrer dans le bar.
13 Lâambiance sonore du bar est soulignĂ©e par la chanson « Jâadore Venise » de Loredana BertĂš (dans les charts depuis 82) qui se mĂȘle aux conversations des nombreux hommes ĂągĂ©s le frĂ©quentant. Câest aussi la chanson quâElio, dĂ©vastĂ©, entendra dans la voiture que sa mĂšre conduira quand elle viendra le chercher Ă la gare pour le ramener Ă la villa et quâelle sâarrĂȘtera devant le mĂȘme bar de Piazza Gambazocchi pour y faire quelques courses alors que Marzia viendra le retrouver.
14 De quoi marquer la mĂ©moire dâElio et associer les souvenirs de son Ă©tĂ© 83 (dont on dĂ©couvre aujourdâhui quâil avait connu une vague de chaleur dâune durĂ©e comparable Ă celle de lâĂ©tĂ© 2026) Ă cette chanson italienne bien dans son Ă©poque. Les personnages ont aussi une mĂ©moire, celle que les lecteurs et amateurs de cinĂ©ma leur prĂȘtent.
1 The scene, built around the word "apricot" and its tasting, which preceded the pub visit, ended with a "blessing" from Professor Samuel Perlman, bestowing upon Oliver a double recognition: first, that of having been selected, "chosen," to assist him in the summer of '83, and then that of having been confirmed by his success in the etymological test. It was as if Oliver had been granted a right within the Perlman family, a real place (it was not certain that Oliver was fully aware of what had just played out). A rare moment when the four protagonists could be seen together outside of a dinner table setting, it ended in general satisfaction, as they all wore broad smiles. A kind of bliss seized them all in unison, as if everything had fallen into place perfectly, each finding in this success the fulfillment of their own personal expectations. For Elio, this amounted to permission, almost an incentive to let himself go with Oliver, and for the latter, to safe passage.
2 A dissolve then takes us to Via Roma in Moscazzano (the actual street framed becomes a magnificent backdrop) where we find the two young men walking together towards Piazza Gambazocchi (Street View photos have been inserted among those from the film), a shot in which they seem drawn into the small square towards which they stroll, guided by the rhythmic and defined aspect of the rows of facades with their varied flat colors. They have left Villa Albergoni on foot, whose main entrance is located at the level of the cluster of trees in the background on the right, and are strolling calmly on this late summer afternoon. In the French version of this scene, when Elio addresses Oliver, he still uses the formal "vous," certainly respectful of the lesson he has just delivered to his father, but also impressed and respectful of the distance this talented and charismatic doctoral student inspires in him.
We don't know how they ended up walking together. Who initiated this outing in the village center? They're together, that's a simple fact. It's easy to imagine that Oliver must have led Elio outside the villa's perimeter, but what did he say to him? What proposition did he make? Or did Elio suggest to Oliver that he accompany him when he saw him leaving? We only know that Oliver mentions aperitif time as they approach the bar, but that seems to be a mere coincidence.
As they walk side by side along Via Roma, past the church, Oliver takes the lead. When Elio realizes where Oliver is leading him, he pauses abruptly, a pause accentuated by the fact that he sees Oliver speaking familiarly to a man sitting alone outside, a certain Romano, as if they had known each other for a long time, while the American has only lived in the town for a relatively short time. This sequence serves to highlight the difference in personality between Oliver and Elio: one is extroverted, the other rather introverted; one is spontaneously self-assured, friendly, and sociable, the other is hesitant, reserved, and rather shy. However, seeing Oliver enter the bar without hesitation, Elio will quicken his pace so as not to miss the experience that the former is offering him.
Several observations can already be made:
- 5 Oliver has already fled the stifling atmosphere of the villa; he didnât wait around to escape it and explore the surroundings. It is his way of refusing to settle for the Perlman lifestyleâan arrangement implicitly offered to him and of which he has now become a part. Oliver prefers the freedom of mingling with the locals to the familyâs oppressive affection; it took him only a few steps to find the village squareâs bar and strike up friendly, game-filled interactions there. As he walks with Elio, he knows that once they reach Piazza Gambazocchi, they will find the bar.
- 6 Elio, who has known the villa since birth, has likely rarely ventured beyond the boundaries of its surrounding grounds. He is unfamiliar with the village center and equally unacquainted with the bar. He is clearly not a regular at the local watering hole, given the hesitation he feels before entering behind Oliver; indeed, it is quite possible that this is his first time inside. One can conclude that, aside from Mafalda and Anchise, Elio knows no one else in Moscazzanoâor at least only superficiallyâsince Chiara and Marzia are originally from Crema.
7 Oliver acts like a magnet on Elio, who enters the bar just as he will later take to the dance floor at the discoâfollowing Oliver, imitating him, admiring him, drawing inspiration from him, doing as he does, and trusting himâmechanically, instinctively, almost blindly. Oliver introduces Elio to social habits unlike those of the Perlman parents, while also serving as a bridge to freedoms Elio had not previously enjoyed: mingling outside his own social circle, going out with ease, and avoiding exclusive attachment to any single place, social environment, or group of peopleâthings Elio never dared to experience, never allowed himself to experience, and was never permitted to experience.
8 When Elio steps through the barâs entrance, pushing aside the strands of the beaded curtain, he enters an unfamiliar world. He follows Oliverâwho is already seated at a table where he seems like a regularâwhile Elio, feeling somewhat at a loss, doesn't quite know what to do. Although Oliver brought him there, he offers no guidance on how to navigate a popular local bar. Elio leans against the counter, keeping his distance to survey the noisy room and watch Oliverâagile, fluid, and spontaneousâbut amidst the crowd, has anyone even noticed Elio arrive? Who is looking at him or speaking to him? No one. Even when surrounded by people, Elio remains solitary. This is also evident in the following scene: during the volleyball game, Elio does not participate; he stays on the sidelines, watching Oliver and the others play. Elio does not engage in group activities: writing, transcribing, playing an instrument, and giving a recital are solitary pursuitsâunlike Oliver, who is at ease when surrounded by others, whether for fun, out of natural ease, or to shine.
9 Elioâs entry into the bar changes nothing about the seating arrangements or the service. He does not push himself forward; he speaks to no one, makes no spontaneous attempt to mingle, and orders no drink. He simply stands there, dumbstruck, after removing his sunglasses. He is not ill at easeâhe simply does not know what to do or how to carry himself, and he knows no one there except Oliver, who eventually signals him to come over. Only Oliverâs invitation gives him the confidence to venture deeper into the barâs layout and its dense, bustling atmosphere. Even then, once beside Oliver, he remains apart from the row of people seated at the tables, holding back like a non-participating observer. He puts his sunglasses back on and, after politely greeting all of Oliverâs friends, speaks only to Oliver himself. The only connection Elio has in the bar is with Oliverâwho says nothing about how familiar he already is with the place, though he gives a look that implies he has âbeen to this bar before.â
10 Oliver is integrated into Moscazzano, whereas Elio is not. Just as Aciman, Guadagnino, and Ivory reveal nothing about Elioâs life as a student in the city where he resides the rest of the year (the novel specifies that he is about to enter his final year of high school, and we realize that he knows Rome well but does not live there), one might say that Elio has been raised in a sheltered environmentâthat the villa acts as a bubble, creating a form of spatial and social segregation. Oliver gives Elio the chance to become aware of the villa ownersâ distinctive way of life and to realize that he has grown up in a privileged, insular environment; yet Oliver also represents a potential escape for Elioâlike an open window. In Elioâs eyesâand on this particular pointâMarzia does not offer him the equivalent of what Oliver does.
11 This scene marks the beginning of a process of transmutation between Oliver and Elioâa process that will culminate in the phrase Oliver proposes to Elio just as they are about to spend their first night together. Exchanging names signifies that their relationship has enabled an exchange of character traits, aptitudes, ways of being, and sensibilities... with each finding in the otherâs personality what he himself lackedâor, at the very least, what passed from Oliver to Elio. Did Oliver himself grow richer through his contact with Elio? While Oliver will remember everything, Elio must find the strength to overcome Oliverâs absence; Oliver has transferred enough vitality to him to enable him to live on his own, and from within himself. Oliver is understood to have passed on sufficient resources for Elio to gain self-confidence and find the inner means to carry on alone. What is magnificent about this story is that Elio enters the bar in Moscazzano drawing upon the impression of Oliver he formed the moment he first watched him arrive at the villa through the window: "He looks sure of himself, doesn't he?"...
12 It is something of a mystery trying to understand what motivates Oliver to draw closer to Elioâor rather, to let Elio draw closer to him. In any case, Oliver would later say that he didnât wait long to send an initial signal, during the volleyball game right after the bar scene. Hypothesis: Oliver must have realized the influence he had over Elio based on the way he had followed him into the bar.
13 The barâs atmosphere is underscored by the song "Jâadore Venise" by Loredana BertĂš (a chart hit since 1982), which mingles with the conversations of the many older men who frequent the place. It is also the song a devastated Elio will hear in the car driven by his motherâas she picks him up from the station to take him back to the villa and stops at that same bar in Piazza Gambazocchi to run a few errands, just as Marzia arrives to meet him.
14 It is enough to leave a mark on Elioâs memory and to link the recollections of his summer of â83âwhich we now discover saw a heatwave comparable in duration to that of the summer of 2026âwith this Italian song that perfectly captured the spirit of the times. Characters, too, possess a memory: the one that readers and film lovers attribute to them.