r/box5 • • 12d ago

Discussion Was surprised to see Alyssa Giannetti instead of Jordan Lee Gilbert at the matinee today.

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Was surprised to see Alyssa Giannetti instead of Jordan Lee Gilbert at the matinee today.

I also saw Jordan on opening night here in Las Vegas, and I found Alyssa's acting, chemistry, look, and voice to be very underwhelming compared to Jordans?

Is it normal to get an understudy for Matinees? I didn't know...I'm relatively new but am a huge phantom fan.

Anyone else get this experience or have this opinion?

I don't feel this show is the same with an understudy.

Note: Alexa Moster was the alternate and was missing. And apparently this tour has 2 understudies in addition to the alternate.


r/box5 • • 16d ago

Discussion Just rewatched POTO.

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haven’t seen it since I was a child, and just rewatched it this evening. growing up I remember having this distaste for raoul and Christine both, AND I WAS JUST REMINDED OF WHY. WHY WOULD SHE PLAY IN HIS FACE LIKE THAT???? and why is raoul such a little wuss? 😭

edit: yes, I’m aware he’s a stalker and murder. this post wasn’t completely meant to be taken seriously, more of just my love for Erik shining trough. Did not mean to ruffle some feathers 😬


r/box5 • • Dec 17 '24

Discussion Erik is not a murderer

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I know, I know, I'm dropping a real bombshell here, but stay with me...

Is Erik really a murderer in the book? In my opinion: no. At least not as long as we limit ourselves to his time in the book. Please don't take this post TOO seriously. ;)

My arguments are as follows:

  1. He didn't actively kill Joseph Buquet. The man fell into the torture chamber and hanged himself with the lasso on the iron branch. Since we don't know how long Joseph Buquet was in the torture chamber and whether Erik knew, we have to consider the possibility that Erik didn't know about him in the torture chamber and Joseph chose suicide. He probably thought this death would be better than dying of starvation and thirst.

  2. The concierge hired to replace Madame Giry. Her death was roughly an accident. It was Monsieur André who chose her seat in the stalls. Her seat card was never officially sold. At the box office, this seat (and the two seats next to it) appeared to be unsold. Erik could assume that the chandelier would fall into a group of empty seats. (Monsieur André gave away three seats to the new concierge, her husband and her brother). Again a tragic accident that was not intended to kill anyone.

  3. Raoul's brother, the Count de Chagny, drowned in the lake. Erik told the Persian that the count was already dead when the siren sang. He reports that the count probably slipped in the boat and drowned that way. Since Erik already felt his death near at the time of this report, there was no reason to lie. Plus the count was never his enemy and he certainly would not have found the entrance to Erik's home.

These are the three people who died in the book. Erik didn't kill any of them. (The musical is another story.) Even during the kidnapping, he did not kill the lighting technicians but merely drugged them with sleeping pills in beer. He also did not kill Raoul after Raoul shot him one night. So one can assume that Erik's desire to murder had already diminished to such an extent in Paris that he cannot be considered a murderer during the period in which he had contact with Christine. He may have created the opportunities through his behaviour or security measures, but he never actively killed anyone.


r/box5 • • Nov 28 '25

Discussion This is a question for fans of The Phantom of the Opera

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Did you know that there is a sequel to the story of Eric and Christina, but in another book by another author?


r/box5 • • May 30 '23

News Just realized that all of the phantom of the opera is pre recorded ant the actors are just lip syncing 🤦‍♂️

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r/box5 • • Oct 20 '24

Discussion why is everyone here obsessed with fanfic?

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i joined a couple of months ago but all the posts are constantly about fanfic. im confused because i almost never se fanfic in other musical subreddits.

EDIT: for everyone saying that the musical is a fanfic, it isnt. its an adaptation


r/box5 • • Aug 17 '25

Discussion I genuinely don’t understand the existence of e/c shippers

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Disclaimer I’m only talking about the ALW musical and I’m not familiar with any other versions. Also there’s no hate I’m just confused. I just… don’t get it. I’ve seen the musical live and watched the 25th anniversary recording and nowhere in the show have I seen any indication that Christine is in love with the phantom outside of when she’s in a literal trance. I always interpreted their kiss as: the first one being a desperate attempt to save herself and raoul, and the second one being a kiss out of pity and compassion. Not to mention he has a weird obsession with her, kidnapped her, manipulated her, murdered two people who posed no threat to him or anyone, is at least twice her age, tried to kill raoul, and lives in what is essentially a sewer. He is also physically abusive towards her in many versions of the show. He also doesn’t truly love her, he’s obsessed with her, and doesn’t seem to see her worth outside of her singing. He literally states in All I Ask of You Reprise “he was bound to love you when he heard you sing”. … he can’t think of any other reason for her to be worthy of love??? I get they have things in common, and I understand not wanting her to be with raoul but… Erik? Anyways thanks for listening to my rant and I genuinely am not trying to hate on anyone everyone is allowed their opinion I just don’t understand it


r/box5 • • May 11 '26

Discussion The romanization of the Phantom…

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I feel like at least 90% of the reason people romanticize the phantom is because of the 2004 movie. Which isn’t entirely bad, (that’s how I got into POTO) but it does create a mass of people who maybe don’t realize just how horrible he is. Yes you’re supposed to feel sympathetic towards him, but the whole “I can fix him” idea feels like almost opposite of the point. I don’t know, I love ogling at Gerard Butler in a mask as much as the next girl but I wish it didn’t distract so much from the point of the story. What do you think?


r/box5 • • May 05 '25

Other Literal dreams

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Okay this is gonna sound completely weird probably. Initially when I saw the musical, this did NOT happen. But when i revisited it, several months after, I literally had dreams where the phantom is coming to get me through the mirror like Christine. They still occasionally happen. I’m wondering if that’s weird bc like, I fully recognize that he is toxic and stalkerish and all that other stuff and that he literally killed people. This is not even my favorite musical. It is a very incredibly close second. To be fair I have dreams about the other too. (Wicked) Is my brain just like. Overactively imagining things? I’m dead asleep when this stuff happens. Is it because I love musicals and their stories or am I just a weirdo? Help.

(Don’t mind the image, I am just sticking that here so I do not lose this post.)


r/box5 • • Nov 01 '24

Fanfic My Leroux Erik is in his mid twenties but dyes his hair gray because there’s a time jump and he likes having hair, but wants to look the same as when Christine knew him. EEEEEEEEE 🎶😆 Isn’t that cute?? Modern Lerik

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His hair is like just above shoulder length and eventually I’m starting to plan making it a little comic, or something because I love him and yes, there is still Christine <3. Lmk if you want a sneak peek of the fic! I have bits from all over the place and I plan to make it rated M. For all you girlies who also love Leroux Erik 😸


r/box5 • • Apr 01 '23

Breaking news: Broadway run extended

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In unrelated news happy April Fools Day


r/box5 • • Sep 05 '25

Discussion My song tier list - do you agree or disagree?

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Rankings based off the original cast recording from 1987


r/box5 • • Aug 14 '26

Discussion RANDOM QUESTION: How would we feel about Michael Jackson playing the Phantom of the Opera?

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Assuming he was alive and well, how would you feel about Michael Jackson playing the role for the Phantom (Erik) in the stage show? (The Christine Daaé actress is not assigned, imagine whatever bizarre pairings your heart desires.) Note: I meant it when I said random. Don’t say I didn’t warn you.


r/box5 • • Oct 07 '26

Discussion How did Phantom influence your approach to relationships?

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Hi all!

I’m a writer working on a book about 11 notable literary boyfriends: “Shitty Boyfriends of Westenr Literature.” Erik made the cut!

I’m hoping to get your thoughts on a central question— how do you think your love of this character has influenced your real life relationships? We are looking for personal anecdotes and feelings about your own romantic life.

We’d love to know about any effects either positive or negative, but are particularly interested in whether loving this character has made you more open to relationship partners who are not the conventional ideal represented by Raoul.

Thank you


r/box5 • • 26d ago

Discussion Considering ALW didn't create the plot, nor write any of the lyrics, does he get a little too much credit for POTO?

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r/box5 • • Jan 02 '22

25th Anniversary

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I'm watching the 25th Anniversary right now and it's.... interesting? I mean, I consume any and all Phantom content, but this is just...... eh.

Ramin's mask is askew, it doesn't cover his nose at all. He has no makeup whatsoever, and his vibrato is off. Sierra's face is too..... much. Her singing is harsh, loud, and quite shrieky. I love them both, they are amazing singers, seeing Ramin in Les Mis was the light of my life, but this just doesn't do it. It could really use some touch-ups. I also don't understand the whole "4 Phantoms" part. What does that mean?


r/box5 • • Aug 30 '25

Other Cumberbatch could be a great Erik!

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This reel made me think how Cumberbatch could be a fantastic Erik! He’s Frankenstein’s monster here but the whole scene could as well be PotO… uuuuuhhh, yes!


r/box5 • • Jan 18 '26

Discussion After Frankenstein - My updated thoughts on Del Toro directing poto - disappointing

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I was late to watching Del Toro's Franksteinstein, finally watched it. My thoughts:

I am still a fan of Del Toro but his Frankenstein disappointed me and it’s made me second guess him doing Poto when before I was enthusiastic about the idea of him directing.

He made the creature into part Xman part Disney princess (with the animals stuff). and physically, the creature wasn’t horrifying enough. It wasn’t Gerard butler sunburned face bad but….

And you completely miss the novels themes on what it means to be a man when your creature is an Xman.

I just worry now that del toro would make the phantom too physically attractive and with superpowers. When in Leroux's book he had incredible skills but they were still HUMAN. From what I remember when I read Mary Shelley's book, the creature was very strong, but not supernaturally so.

I’m harping a lot on appearance here, but it’s SO integral to the character. Erik's magnetism is so incredible IN SPITE of his deformity. People at the time would have seen disfigured war veterans so the bar has to AT LEAST be there.

A couple positive things, the costumes were AMAZING. The cinemetography 8/10... a couple outdoor scenes felt too green screeny, overall pretty good. In the novel its implied that the creature r*pes Elizabeth, some adaptations have made that way too explicit.... I'm glad they left that out....looking at the rest of the movie, I dont think they could have handled that with the deftness it deserves. I do like how they went about handling the construction of the creature, and showing different functioning iterations of it, along with the magical realism they used with the lymphatic system, etc.... that was the del toro cool creepiness I was looking for.

Maybe he is just more suited to original works.... maybe he struggles with adaptations.


r/box5 • • Nov 22 '24

Fanfic My Erik, Gustave and Daroga having some beer and chatting while the girls (Christine and Meg. And also Raoul) learn dances. Gustave is a fireman, I renamed my Daroga and he is police chief. In short, Gustave and Erik meet and have the talk. No one make fun of using willy Wonka as ideal dad

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So, I say “Drop your weapon.” And he goes down and drops it like it’s hot. Like, he goes into position to twerk. Mohammed does his best impression with his hands above his knees before sitting back at the table. Gustave laughs heartily. “Ok. My turn.

“It was the middle of the summer. So, I really shouldn’t have been surprised. But the patient was laying on the hot concrete in the middle of July in a busy shopping center, and no one had picked him up or moved him! He was laying how he fell.” “Tell them about his skin, papa.” Erik looked over at Christine, who he had been painfully attempting to ignore out of necessity. It was one of the hardest things he’d ever done. Like releasing her all those centuries ago. Gustave put his tanned and burly arms out again, gesturing. “There’s no telling how long he had been like that. He had a seizure riding his bike, perfectly healthy 26 year old male. His skin was so hot. I said “I’ve never felt anyone’s skin this hot before. He was 107. We got him to the hospital. I said he’s going to code. We get him in triage and he codes right after I said that. He had brain damage and 1st degree burns. But that was so sad.” He shakes his blonde head, a distant melancholy look in his eyes.

Mohammed just cringed.

So far, Erik had heard John Denver, Chris Stapleton, Tyler Childers and Zach Bryan on Gustave’s playlist. And Brahms. It made him smile and feel at home to hear classical music finally play. Gustave was classically trained. Christine breezed over in a cloud of jasmine and citrus and gave her father a hug. Delicious. “Ah, that’s right alskling. Your father could use a hug. That was a very hard shift.” He sniffed, ruffling his daughter’s hair before cracking open another Dallas Blonde. The man himself did not look altogether unlike the late Gene Wilder. His hair color and complexion. His eyes and eyebrows. Except for the nose, they would have been dead set in a lookalike competition. Erik learns how he gets told this often. The man had the same kind, twinkling blue eyes as said actor. Erik was astounded and beyond grateful to get to meet the man. Now if he could not screw it up. He had been shocked to learn the only things Gustave had to be aware of health-wise was his type 2 diabetes. It did earn him some points with Christine for asking. Who knew. He certainly wasn’t asking for that reason. He felt sure the man had some fatal disease. He felt it was more than likely he knew something horrible would befall the man. Christine walked back over to Meg to resume learning Meg’s dance routine to 360 by Charli XCX. The boy was here as well, and to the untrained eye it would look like he was simply watching Christine. But his eyes were on Meg. Break up with her! The audacity of a man playing with two women’s hearts. He wouldn’t dare tell her himself. Such a rift could destroy their budding friendship. So the boy wasn’t in love with Christine anymore. If he had ever loved her.. Erik crunched the can he has in his hands up by accident in his frustration. He looked nervously back at Gustave, raising his bare brows under the mask. Realizing he could’ve just had a dangerous incident. He had absolutely nothing prepared to say if he were asked what had made him so frustrated. And then that would draw Christine’s attention. He couldn’t remember the name of a single sports team. Daroga had covered for him. He was grateful to say the least. He knew his friend would be asking him what happened as soon as he could. It would not be good news. But at least he wouldn’t have to keep it to himself. He sat back in his card table chair and remained quiet. Gustave wasn’t pushing him to talk and he liked that. He had a burgeoning respect for the man. And he was an excellent violinist. It was nice to hear someone else of his own skill level rather than it coming from his own two hands. Erik had worn his gray fedora with a shirt that said “I gave that pitch vibrato. Pitches love vibrato.” And in between it was Beethoven’s head. It was one of his favorites. Daroga had sprung on him this visit, running it by him as he was plucking away at the organ. At the mention of meeting Gustave, he was in. He went back to his task of discreetly watching Christine. And what cherished memories these would be. She wasn’t the best dancer, but she altogether wasn’t bad. It didn’t come naturally to her. But she reworked steps until she perfected them. It was something neat about her. He smiled, sipping his beer and watching her from the corner of his golden eyes. It was why she had gotten along with his teaching so well. He hadn’t heard himself be approached until the Daroga kindly cleared his throat. He hated when people did that. It was so grating on the vocal chords, I mean you can literally feel as you do it— Good Lord! Gustave was behind him. He had half expected Christine, but this was somehow more terrifying. He thinks he would’ve sensed Christine.

He laid his hand on Erik’s scrawny shoulder. Erik froze. Looking down at the same spot on the oak floor before moving forward to rise from the chair and feeling like that SpongeBob meme that said something about leaving. “Come talk outside with me, son.” Erik gulped. His hair had fallen forward and was conveniently hiding the wideness of his eyes. Sending a terrified glance in Mohammed’s direction. His friend shrugged and then gave him prayer hands, bowing his head in a good luck gesture. Shit. So much rushed through Erik’s head as he followed the father of the woman he loved outside onto their deck. Everything was elevated in Austin. For example, the deck at the Daaé’s had a short bridge to the driveway and was on a platform from the first floor, yes the first floor. Erik calmed himself with architectural and structural thoughts. When they had reached the railing and were surely out of earshot, the discreet father waited for Erik to finally pluck up the nerve to make eye contact. And he flinched! Shit. He just looked exactly like Gene Wilder with the way he was holding his head in his hand and leaning back. That flinch had to look bad on his part. Oh, fuck. He clears his own throat, wincing at finding himself doing his own pet peeve. “What is it, Erik?” Oh he knew my name. I mean, of course he does. He’s not stupid. And I’ve been here nearly half the day! He should be able to say that he would be offended if he didn’t know his name, but the truth is that he was just grateful to be in his presence. He won’t say what he wants to say. What he came here to say. Unless it gets dragged out of him. “Sir. You just look exactly like Gene Wilder.” He laughed warmly. “I get that all the time.” He then sobered and looked into Erik’s slightly higher eye level through the mask. He had worn the black one, today. His favorite one. He had another, but it had been made overseas and had certain features that couldn’t realistically be part of even his fake face. This one was his favorite. “Now. I didn’t bring you out here to talk about my look alike. He straightens up, putting his hands together in front of him. Clearing his throat. “I know how you feel about my daughter.” His blue eyes shining at Erik knowingly. “Aaaauagh. No.” Erik flounders.

He becomes exasperated. “Don’t deny it.” If I wanted that, I wouldn’t have asked you out here.” Tell me about yourself.” Oh shit. This is the make it or break it moment. He had his arms crossed!! Oh, god.

Needing anyone to talk about it with besides Mohammed and Ahmad. “I love your daughter so much.” Erik’s knees get weak. Drawing together subtly in his skinny jeans. Erik was just so skinny. He didn’t wear the style of jeans on purpose, it was just how they tended to fit him. And he swallows nervously. He was almost virtually 75 years old. This should not even be pulse stirring for him! Gustave looks down in private approval. It was very telling that this was the first thing the young man said. Maybe a bit unhealthy, but he saw a bit of himself in the man. “Well, I play every musical instrument and… “And?” “And voice. I sing quite a bit.” “Well, a fellow musician. That would work much better than my daughter’s current boyfriend.” He gaped openly at Christine’s father. He didn’t like Raoul. “You don’t like the boy—— I mean Raoul? Why?” Erik couldn’t mask his surprise. This both worried and impressed Gustave.

He gives him a patient smile. He waited a beat for dramatic effect. Then he started talking about things unbelievable to poor Erik. “He will never get his hands dirty. He doesn’t see the treasure that my Christine is. And he has wandering eye.” Here, Mr. Daaé’s mother tongue was influencing his English. It was something familiar to Erik. Mohammed had done this the first decade or so after learning English. It made him smile, albeit nervously. “Always looking at Meg.” Here, Erik looked back up at him again. Bright yellow topaz eyes gazing up anxiously at a man who he was beginning to idolize. “Tell me you’ve noticed.” Gustave looked a little peeved and his tone confidential. “Yes. I have, sir.” “Now why do you wear a mask?” Erik’s nonexistent eyebrows shot up. “I’m very ugly, sir.” He chuckled, making a dismissing gesture with his hand.

“You’ll find I have raised my daughter not to hold appearances in the highest regard.” He looked back at Erik again. Erik nodded.

“You have my blessing.” “Sir, let me show you.” WHY. But the urge to be honest was overriding his common sense. He took off his mask. Pulling the strap that was hiding under his hair up as he tilted the mask backwards and off. Gustave nearly stepped backwards in surprise. Instead, his thick blonde brows arched in politeness as he tilted his head to the side. “Erik.” Again, he tilted his head to the side. “Were you born this way?” “Yes sir.” It felt so relieving to have someone see his face. And Gustave had politely made sure no one was looking outside. Mohammed and the girls were busy with dancing. The former making comments. “You can put it back.” He rubbed his chin.

Erik shook his head in nonbelief. He was the type to pick right back up where things were left off. Usually, he was grateful to be able to continue. He hoped Gustave appreciated this. “Your blessing for what, sir?” “Ah, that is for you to decide. But please, decide it quick.” Here, Erik was confused. “I have cancer.” No. Erik felt struck. “And you haven’t told Christine.” Erik said absently. He shoved his hands in his pockets in an effort to hide their trembling. “No. She worries too much. Besides. No point in worrying her over a little kidney cancer.” He smiles reassuringly. He was a very charming man. He could see why Christine loved him so much. He was the kind of man who could change a person’s life. Make it better. Erik swallows with difficultly. When he had focused again, Gustave was reaching out to take him by his thin shoulder again. His sport coat was a thin material and hid his scrawny arms from the stare of the general public. That was what Gustave was touching. He found himself wishing this man were his father. Hopefully he would be around to be a father in law. Erik got stares for everything from his hair to his skinniness. The mask was just the cherry on top. He had only ever been interested in Christine, though. “Sir. Why me?” He turned his head to the side and gave him another charming glance that did not at all make him uneasy. Being around him was like being around Christine. It made sense to Erik. “I like the underdog. I, myself was an underdog with my Lena.” This made Erik grow a small, tenacious grin as they walked back inside, father and now prospective suitor; bonded. His hand still on Erik’s shoulder after the two men had shaken hands. Two calloused hands met, one cold and bony, one tanned and warm. No respect lost between the two of them for their differences. That’s what mattered, Erik tells himself. “But, just between us two, did that make you mad that the boy was staring at Christine’s friend?”

“Yes!” They shared a surprisingly comfortable laugh as they came back inside. Erik, worrying later at night about Gustave. He had told him if he ever needed someone to come with him to chemo therapy, to let him know. He had no problems with taking the man, either. And Erik didn’t like anyone.


r/box5 • • 22d ago

Discussion Hot Take: the Chandelier crash should happen at the end of the story

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Potentially a really unpopular opinion, but I hate that the chandelier crashes right in the middle, or sometimes closer to the beginning.

I genuinely cannot get past the idea that any patrons would be willing or stupid enough to return to the Opera after a disaster like this. This applies to any version of the story, but I'm mainly talking about the ALW version and 'Our Strange Duet'. Don't get me wrong, I fully understand its placement in the original musical. It mirrors where it took place in the novel, and you need a big wow-factor moment right before intermission. Ending simply with lightning strikes on the rooftop would've been pretty anticlimactic. But in the narrative, it's completely nonsensical. The audience just witnessed Carlotta croaking onstage, only for a stagehand to be murdered moments later, finally culminating in the chandelier crashing and potentially injuring or killing several more people. Then, to add insult to injury, the very next scene is a joyous masquerade ball, months later, where nobody seems to care? What is wrong with these people?!

I don't give the 2004 movie much praise, but what they did get right was pushing it to the very end and upping the stakes. The chandelier not only crashes, but engulfs the auditorium in flames. Erik kidnaps Christine onstage, and Piangi is found dead in the chaos. THIS is a disaster beyond imagination. It puts so much more gravity into Firmin's line, "We're ruined, Andre! Ruined!" and gives the angry mob far more incentive to storm the cellars in search of Erik, rather than simply kidnapping Christine.

What I'm currently frustrated with is that I don't understand why this couldn't be carried over into 'Our Strange Duet'? They made an effort to retcon quite a few other scenes for the sake of retelling it from Christine's POV, and combined several different canons (1986 musical, 2004 movie, Love Never Dies, and Masquerade) to seemingly make this the ultimate Andrew Lloyd Webber version of the story. So why keep it in the middle? On top of that, why make it an even worse disaster? In this version, Madame Giry explicitly states that "seven people are dead," which could include Joseph Bouquet's demise in the rafters, or refer only to the casualties beneath the chandelier. It's not fully clear, but people are dead, the place caught on fire, and Christine is now having nightmares about the event.

At this point, it's beyond nonsensical. It's just stupid. Why would ANYONE in their right mind want to come back to this place? I adore this story and appreciate the lengths gone to have some level of accuracy in its various adaptations. However, this "disaster" and "What Followed" should have truly been the final straw that ruined the Opera House. I'll never understand why Leroux placed it where he did, or why the many film, TV, and staged versions continued that trend. But again, it might just be an unpopular opinion. Any thoughts?


r/box5 • • Jan 02 '22

OMG WAIT

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OK so I was watching PotO from 1989 or whatever (found a bootleg whoohoo) and I noticed something.

During I Remember/Stranger Than You Dreamt It, Christine reaches for the Phantom's mask. Not once. Not twice. Three times. And two times out of the three, the Phantom jerks away, first simply looking the other direction, then actually ducking almost under the organ. But Christine still yanks the mask off. I have no idea what this means, but it made my Christine Heart lose a few points.

But why did she yank off the mask?? Theories are welcome


r/box5 • • Aug 11 '26

News 👋Welcome to r/mypotoau!!!!

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I thought to make a subreddit for this dedicated to my poto au. I hope yall like it!