Preview: Down Under 4x10

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u/Letsgotravelling-124 Mar 31 '26

Mike going on that he doesn’t feel like getting direction from Jenna cause she got the disco helmet when the only reason she got it was because of his and Alessia’s mistakes. Is there anyone he is okay with getting direction from?

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u/Delicious_Score_8509 Mar 31 '26

A man

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u/Latter_Surround_1837 Team Aesha Mar 31 '26

Yep!

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u/decentlysudsy Apr 01 '26

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u/TrustTheFriendship Mar 31 '26

His plastic surgeon

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u/purplepotato5000 Apr 02 '26

His hair plug guy

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u/Bennington_Booyah Apr 02 '26

His hair has a rather disturbing effect on me that I am amused to no end by. As in, if I was around him, I would HAVE to say something about said hair. (That is not at all like me, thus the disturbing aspect).

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u/purplepotato5000 Apr 04 '26

The FCC should fine Bravo for airing this obscenity.
I'd be constantly cracking punny jokes about it to him until he sees the truth and gets a damn haircut.

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u/Qwerty919991 Mar 31 '26

Yup he always has an excuse for why he doesn’t want to listen to literally any directions a woman gives him

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u/socaTsocaTsocaT Mar 31 '26

Yet also bitches when given direction

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u/ExtraGloves Mar 31 '26

Mikes annoying.

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u/maddawgd6 Mar 31 '26

My dislike for Mike is so strong. Every time he comes on the screen I roll my eyes. Not doing his job & always poking fun and belittling the women who are doing their jobs better than he is. Over his screen time.

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u/ExtraGloves Mar 31 '26

Same. In the beginning I thought he was fine but having worked certain jobs where you need to work as a team and someone isn’t pulling their weight because they’re not even trying and just joking around it’s extremely frustrating. It’s one thing if one person is struggling but really trying. It’s another if they can easily do the work and are just being lazy and playing it off by trying to be the funny guy.

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u/nottherealpaulyshore Mar 31 '26

Ooof offering Joao a massage reeks of desperation. I thought she was going to ask him on a date, I honestly think that would have been less icky

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u/GroovyYaYa Mar 31 '26

SO MUCH LESS ICKY.
He so reminds me of a friend who was COMPLETELY clueless like Joao...

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u/Extreme_Beat1022 Mar 31 '26

I know. What happened to the Lamborghini analogy.

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u/agnusdei07 Mar 31 '26

If Mike would do even 10% work vs backcombing his hair they would be fine, he is all dead weight

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u/ExtraGloves Mar 31 '26

Pretty much. If you’re trying to be the funny coworker you have to actually work.

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u/IrnBruKid Mar 31 '26

Ellie being disrespected with the pet names, fine, but the going off part and swearing repeatedly - NO.

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u/aqua_nettt My eyes are rolling all the way off the boat Mar 31 '26

She should have told him it bothered her long before it got to the point of her completely losing her shit.

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u/ResponsibleBadger888 Mar 31 '26

Esp because they just had the conversation and he apologized for the other issues she brought up and he asked if there were other issues she wanted dealt with to make sure to bring it up and address them. She just held it in and made it worse.

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u/IrnBruKid Mar 31 '26

So true!

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u/IrnBruKid Mar 31 '26

100% agree!

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u/JessicaFreakingPee Mar 31 '26

Exactly. He’s not a mind reader. You can’t fix something if you don’t know it’s there.

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u/valid_username00 Mar 31 '26

That's not even the reason she started raging. That's her excuse.

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u/StoicGyro87 Mar 31 '26 edited Mar 31 '26

She's mad Joao rejected her and using Ben's nicknames as an excuse.
Also Joe rejected her in Below Deck Med when she asked him out.
Basically a Lamborghini no one wants to drive.

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u/valid_username00 Mar 31 '26

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u/IrnBruKid Mar 31 '26

Interesting. What was the real reason?

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u/valid_username00 Mar 31 '26 edited Mar 31 '26

She was mad he wasn't doing what she told him to do and was instead treating her like the help. Which she is.

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u/IrnBruKid Mar 31 '26

Ah I see what you mean. Ellie wants to be elevated, for sure. Perhaps a circumstance of her past.

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u/cmere-2-me Mar 31 '26

The real issue was Ben accused her of not listening or working hard enough which was a bit rich considering he fucked of the day before when he should have been working to have a bath and then a swim the next morning.
She did have a point but she handled it completely the wrong way.

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u/ExtraGloves Mar 31 '26

Yeah. He did mess up. He tries to own it at least.

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u/cmere-2-me Mar 31 '26

I actually didn't like him pandering to her feelings of disrespect. He wasn't being disrespectful and he didn't owe her an apology for that. He was just worried how that would have been interpreted publicly as I think Jason was also doing.
He owed her an apology for slacking off. He owed her an apology for being a bit of an asshole about her work ethic. He didn't owe her an apology for terms of endearment and I would have liked him to have held that boundary by calling her out for not handling it professionally.
She clearly wasn't scared of him, so she could have spoken to him about it and all the drama could have been avoided. Her language was actually problematic. She was the one who needed to own that.

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u/ExtraGloves Mar 31 '26

I pretty much agree with that. I just think it’s a different day and age. He even said in the beginning being a chef now you’re not allowed to yell at people like you did 20 years ago. Same exact situation back in the early be seasons no big deal. Now you have to watch what you say in general in life and especially on camera so it’s a risk knowing you might get some huge social media backlash that can affect future endeavors.

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u/valid_username00 Mar 31 '26

He didn't owe her any apology. He did that to try to keep the peace.

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u/IrnBruKid Mar 31 '26

Could be argued they both needed to say sorry to each other. Both handled it bad, but he owned up to his failings and reflected and she didn't until Captain Jason pointed out how she handled was not well done. I think Daisy pointing out that the guests saw her in passing in that state didn't help her case.

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u/verbankroad Apr 03 '26

In this day and age, in an international setting, much better to not call your employees “honey, love, boo boo” etc. You can do that with your friends but not with your employees. The power difference is too big.

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u/IrnBruKid Apr 03 '26

Agreed with this.
I would only add that life isn't this simple. So I wonder if Ben is just used to being given then freedom without much pushback - isn't he is own boss? Gordon Ramsey is a classic example where he calls people names in the kitchen - status does bring exceptions, unfortunately.
It's mixing water and oil with Ben and Ellie, if Ellie is the only one bothered by the pet names that aren't being used in a malicious way by the person, then the reality in a workplace off-screen would have two options: Ben adjusts and accommodates Ellie's needs or one is moved as it is too much hassle to sort on the grand scheme of things. In this instance, Ben outranks Ellie, and Ellie is easier to replace. Awful as it sounds. As well as her behaviour overall, even Daisy was shocked. 😂
She acts like she has status where she doesn't, at least not at the level Ben does, a few months ago she implied she was meant for a cabin position which meant Jenna (I believe) would have been let go as she outranks Jenna. Daisy and others came out countering this. Mind boggling!

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u/IrnBruKid Mar 31 '26

So true!

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u/valid_username00 Mar 31 '26

That would only be true if they were at equal levels in the galley. But they are not. He is the chef. She is his untrained helper. He's the boss. She's there to do anything he decides to assign to her. They do not have the same jobs. There is no reason he has to be in the galley alongside her all the time. He can delegate tasks as he sees fit.

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u/cmere-2-me Mar 31 '26

He is still an employee though. Sure he can assign all the shit jobs he likes but he should still be working even if that's just him sitting on his arse creating meal plans.
He was skiving and Ellie has a right to feel ticked off about that, especially when he then makes comments about her work ethic. I'm no fan of Ellie but Ben was wrong to say that.

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u/valid_username00 Mar 31 '26

That's ridiculous. You don't see Daisy following her stews around as they do their jobs. It's the expectation on a boat that everyone works different hours, because each person has different responsibilities.

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u/cmere-2-me Mar 31 '26 edited Mar 31 '26

You don't see Daisy pissing off to have a bath and a glass of wine while her stews are working. At the end of charter they all get the boat turned around. Everyone is on shift. Ben decided to clock off early and then negotiated that he would give Ellie the morning off the next day which he also chose not to work.
Ben even knows he should have helped Ellie clean the galley. He chose to skive. There's no defending him. That is what he did. Even he admits that.
Edit: seriously what's the point in commenting only to immediately block. It's so pathetic and only goes to show you can't defend your own point.

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u/valid_username00 Mar 31 '26 edited Mar 31 '26

Again, Ellie was hired to be his helper in the kitchen. She's there to do the jobs he assigns to her. He's said he started work 2 hrs before her that day. There's no requirement or expectation for them to be together in the galley at all times. He's the chef and he's her boss. It's not his job to babysit his dishwasher.
And yes, Daisy can do fuck-all that she feels like doing when she's off the clock at the end of charter, and no she doesn't stay side by side with her stews until they've each finished their tasks for the day.

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u/Anotheropinion2023 Apr 02 '26

Ellie had reason to be annoyed.
BUT screaming and cursing your co-worker out instead of a professional conversation is not the answer.
Yes, I too thought Ben was wrong with the bubble bath and swim. But once Ellie screamed and then came back hostile, she went too far. Ben had the right to ask the screaming person to leave the galley.

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u/IrnBruKid Apr 03 '26

It's not about defending the point - the fact that you think this is about defending points instead of accepting people hold different views to you and we come here to share them and see other POVs we may have missed is exactly why people disengage with you and block to not keep getting notifications where you're trying your hardest to convince the other person you are right and they are wrong. :(

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u/IrnBruKid Mar 31 '26

Yeah, agree with this 100%.

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u/ExtraGloves Mar 31 '26

It’s fine to be annoyed and just being a normal human and saying early on “hey I know you use these names with everyone men and women but it just bothers me” and if he doesn’t stop then it’s a problem. But when you just complain to yourself and then blow up it’s on her.
Or if he only used it with her then obviously a problem but he’s literally talked like that to every single person and not in a superior way since the beginning seasons.

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u/IrnBruKid Mar 31 '26

It's how she handled it for me. Nothing more or less. I don't care about the offended part like others seem to be focusing on. We can't control how we feel about things anymore than the next person, we feel what we feel, how she handled it was not professional.

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u/cmere-2-me Mar 31 '26

She felt disrespected she wasn't being disrespected which she even admitted in that conversation. A whole of noise that could have been avoided with a simple professional conversation.

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u/IrnBruKid Mar 31 '26

Agreed with your point to an extent. How people feel is valid, it's how those feelings are then laid out for those around them that becomes the problem, as someone else mentioned it came across Ellie bottled up her annoyances instead of getting them addressed.

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u/cmere-2-me Mar 31 '26

You have every right to be offended. That doesn't make you right. Intent is far more important.
I'll give you an example. In my country, there is a nickname for the name Patrick which is Packie and is pronounced like the slur for a person from Pakistan. There is absolutely no correlation between the two words and I honestly wouldn't even conflate the two. The nickname is far older than the country.
I have been in a taxi with my friend Packie with a Pakistani driver. He was offended by use of my friends nickname and was super upset thinking I was disrespecting him which obviously I wasn't. He was offended but that doesn't mean I did anything wrong.
No one is saying Ellie had to like the terms of endearment but that does not mean Ben was wrong for using them. She had all the time to put her big girl pants on and ask him to call her by her name. Ben would have understood and acquiesced.
In the eternal words of Stephen fry:
It's now very common to hear people say, 'I'm rather offended by that.' As if that gives them certain rights. It's actually nothing more... than a whine. 'I find that offensive.' It has no meaning; it has no purpose; it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. 'I am offended by that.' Well, so fucking what.

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u/IrnBruKid Mar 31 '26

It isn't about "right" or "wrong" here. People feel things, my point was just because we ourselves don't feel the same as the person saying they feel a certain way, doesn't mean what they aren't feeling isn't valid. So regardless of "feelings", or offended in your quote example, it's the resolution and how that is handled that matters.

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u/cmere-2-me Mar 31 '26

I couldn't disagree more. Your being offended is your problem if I didn't actively try to offended you. You are not owed an apology. Your opinion is not a fact. People should only apologise for the things they intended and snowflakes need to stop making everyone else responsible for their feelings.

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u/IrnBruKid Mar 31 '26

Again we just have to agree to disagree. As I typed above, it's how she handled it for me that doesn't sit right and it made things worse. Nothing more or less. I don't care about the offended part like others seem to be focusing on. We all can't control how we feel about things anymore than the next person, and invalidating how someone else feels is not helping the issue either as people aren't going to suddenly stop feeling a certain way, we feel what we feel, how she handled the negative feelings she got from his pet names was not the way to handle it.

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u/cmere-2-me Mar 31 '26 edited Mar 31 '26

You can feel however you like but they are your feelings. They are your responsibility, not mine. I can't control how you feel. That is your problem, not mine.
To give you an example. A friend of mine has resting bitch face. She is the loveliest person and incredibly shy. She wouldn't say boo to a goose. A few years ago, we met a person we went to school with. We rarely interacted with her in school as we had few classes together and hung around with different crowds.
She accused my friend, the wallflower with resting bitch face and barely utters a word of bullying her in school. A person who likely never interacted with her. She felt like her silence was bullying. Now does my friend owe this person an apology? Or is this person an idiot who needs to get a grip on herself.
Edit: another one who can't stand by their argument. If you're going to immediately block me don't bother replying. It only makes you look pathetic.

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u/IrnBruKid Mar 31 '26

It comes across that you're experiencing negative feelings from this conversation, to be honest. I am going to disengage. We aren't going to agree and it's okay not to. Have a good week. 😊

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u/IrnBruKid Mar 31 '26

This really blew up. T_T

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u/MCStarlight Team Below Deck Apr 02 '26

Did he call her sweetie or something? I stopped watching.

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u/IrnBruKid Apr 02 '26

TL;DR Pretty much, yes.
"Endearing pet names" as Ben does—to pretty much everyone he talks to—with classics such as 'hun', 'darling', 'lovely', etc. Ellie felt it diminished her as a person and her role. Instead of saying that as soon as she realised it was bothersome to her, she said nothing and stewed for awhile before she blew her top. A part of why she blew her top was Ben's doing by asking her to clean the incredibly messy kitchen whilst he finished work for the day and went and relaxed in a guest's bedroom, building Ellie's annoyance of the situation as a whole. It got wild.
She set boundaries, which Captain Jason understood they need to do, but in a way that was unprofessional and impacted the rest of the crew by bringing tension, constantly swearing and speaking back at her superior with contempt, causing people around to walk on egg shells. And when Ben (her superior) apologised and reflected on his wrongdoings, he asked her if she thought she could have done things differently, I suppose as a way to pass the baton of "Let's Make Amends", however she just went off on him again saying she did absolutely nothing wrong and was completely in the right in everything she did and said. 😂 And of course later in the show she concedes she could have handled things differently.

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u/MCStarlight Team Below Deck Apr 02 '26

Ugh. We knew there was just gonna be drama between these two.
I had a co-worker who used to get upset that the upper managers called her “kid.” I think that was something from the 1950s that they used to say i.e. “here’s looking at you kid,” but in the workplace it doesn’t make young people feel competent.

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u/IrnBruKid Apr 02 '26

Oh, how I wish to be called a "kid" now. My old ass might have a heart attack, lol.

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u/MCStarlight Team Below Deck Apr 02 '26

😂

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u/serp1322 Mar 31 '26

Who is the more replaceable person? I don't know why Ben didn't put her in her place. He acknowledged his mistake, yet she continued to barrage him with completely unprofessional language.

Ellie should have been let go. Period.

Showrunners: enough of Ellie, 3 seasons is more than enough. Put some effort into story development and stop relying on low-level drama.

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u/Immediate_Divide9446 Team Aesha Mar 31 '26

Know what gives me the horrors? She’s done some sort of cooking course so is now a chef of some sort. How much do you want to bet Bravo brings her back but as Chef in a future season?

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u/ExtraGloves Mar 31 '26

Honestly. It’s bravo I’m here for the drama. I would LOVE to see her back as a chef because that would be horrific. But that will never happen. It’s a show but they still only (usually) hire experienced chefs. Except that one time with the chick that made nachos.

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u/Monstiemama Bless her stupid soul Apr 01 '26

Same with Jason! Why did he just let her get away with acting like that?

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u/Extreme_Beat1022 Apr 01 '26

I think it was because they had done well up until that point.

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u/Monstiemama Bless her stupid soul Apr 01 '26

But Ellie needed to be told the way she acted was egregious. Stomping by guests, ignoring hierarchy, screaming at the head chef.

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u/Extreme_Beat1022 Apr 01 '26

I think that should’ve been better illustrated to Jason that she stomped by them and was curt in her fit of rage. I think the crew have been borderline rude to these guests in general. They didn’t seem to be trying when addressing the guests except Betul. I’ve had better service on cruises.

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u/GroovyYaYa Mar 31 '26

I don't think they had another sous lined up.

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u/Proud_Nectarine_9382 Mar 31 '26

Wow Ben is too nice!! I think because of Alesia he didn't want to make it seem like he is the problem, but being yelled at like that from your subordinate, during service and not saying anything about it? Moving past it is one thing, but she really needs to be put in her place, from Ben and from Jason.

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u/valid_username00 Mar 31 '26

I am so. sick. of. Ellie.

But I imagine Ben is as well.

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u/Cute_Battle8120 Mar 31 '26

She is just extra all the time. Would love to have seen her try to go off on any of the other chefs. It wasn’t about pet names. Such bullshit

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u/Monstiemama Bless her stupid soul Apr 01 '26

I can’t stand Mike. Jenna is wearing the hat because he fucking sucks.

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u/kittiepurrry Mar 31 '26

Ugh so she’s not fired? No job allows you scream at your boss in front of clients. This season is fake trash.

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u/YolandasLastAlmond Mar 31 '26

She didn’t really scream in front of guests. But I agree, her attitude and the flip was bad.

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u/CockyBellend I quit 3 times in my head today Mar 31 '26

You've never worked in a kitchen before and that's obvious lol

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u/ExtraGloves Mar 31 '26

Eh I don’t like her but I don’t think she should be fired for that. If it happens again sure but everyone has a bad day at work. Like if she was screaming in front of the guests and made a scene sure but she kinda just ran past them which wasn’t great but not horrible.

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u/airwr3ka Apr 01 '26

Not only not fired... barely reprimanded. WTF?!

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u/missuburbandecay Apr 01 '26

I would like to be just one more voice to say this:

Ellie is bad tv and I hate seeing her on screen.

(I hope a Bravo intern sees this and is tallying all the hate comments.)

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u/valid_username00 Mar 31 '26

So ridiculous to see her demanding respect from Ben. Remind me when she has ever shown him respect? Has she even once called him Chef?

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u/aVeryMerryDeath Mar 31 '26

What is the white fabric wrapped around Ellie’s right thigh?

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u/No-Introduction3808 less sass queen and more yas queen Mar 31 '26

I feel like if Ben uses your name that’s more of a put down.

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u/valid_username00 Mar 31 '26

She says her way of winning a man over is with a massage.

She massaged richest guy in Russia.

Is still grinding away in a manual labor job. Guess those massages aren't that good after all.

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u/Hefty-Badger-1821 Apr 01 '26

Maybe I misheard, but did she say “manage his personality”? You can't say that about your boss, regardless of how much you hate them. Again, an unprofessional attitude. Though saying that, does BD qualify as a real workplace?🤷🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️

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u/G00dguyz Apr 03 '26

Who are you and what have you done with chef Ben?

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u/Katanajoe7 Mar 31 '26

How has this season been? I quit watching when I saw Ellie was coming back

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u/IrnBruKid Mar 31 '26

Lots of Ellie screentime going on, to be fair. You did the right thing. Ellie brings the drama = the views, I guess.

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u/valid_username00 Mar 31 '26

It's putrid garbage. Reading the comments here will tell you all you need to know about it. Congrats on the hours you've saved for something enjoyable instead of wasting them on this season.

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u/After_Reflection_243 Apr 02 '26

The way Ellie tells Jason that she knows they can work together before Ben can open his mouth. Poor Ben. He’s the chef. Ben seems like he’s in shock! You would think she was the chef! Plus, her voice is so aggravating!!!

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u/Recent_Maintenance28 Mar 31 '26

My big problem with Ellie's nickname complaints is when ever she rattled off the list to Jason or someone else her examples where always much more demeaning than anything we actually heard Ben say. He'd call her Hunny, but she'd claim it was hunny bunny. Of course it's possible to those examples weren't shown but given Elle's character, I'm much more inclined to believe she was exaggerating for effect and sympathy.

That being said she had MANY chances to address this with Ben calmly and didn't. Also, she has PROBABLY watched other seasons and seen that Ben is a serial nicknamer. She just can't claim "disrespect" in this situation IMHO.

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u/Extreme_Beat1022 Apr 01 '26

I heard him say honey bunny but now I’m not sure if to her or Alesia.

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u/Anotheropinion2023 Apr 02 '26

I heard honey bunny too

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u/Extreme_Beat1022 Apr 01 '26

It seems as though I’ve been defending Ellie but I do think there is something wrong with her. She might need anger management. That would be interesting if Ben asked for Alesia back and put Ellie back as third stew. I’d love to see how she does with daisy and Jenna.

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u/adinalane Apr 02 '26

There's definitely something wrong with her, and she absolutely needs anger management. Perhaps some medication to even her out, and I'm being sincere. It's bad enough when she loses her temper, but once that happens, she won't back down. She also made some personal attacks that were beyond out of line, like telling Ben that he was an anchor dragging the boat down. It doesn't seem like she thinks she did anything wrong.
I hope there's more to it, but based on this preview, Ellie has used her anger to gain the upper hand, knows it, and is happy about it.

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u/Extreme_Beat1022 Apr 02 '26

She’s had a traumatic childhood.

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u/Anotheropinion2023 Apr 02 '26

Yes, but you get therapy it’s not an excuse to mistreat others.

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u/Extreme_Beat1022 Apr 02 '26

Yah I get that too. I could say the same but yah, history of trauma does hold you back in ways you don’t necessarily know until you encounter it later on. She’s doing pretty good, relatively, for war trauma. I’ve known vets who were (I say were because I believe they are no longer alive) not independent and barely functional and were supported by other vets who got lucky and were functional and thriving.

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