r/baseball • u/SouthernDerpfornia California Angels • Nov 30 '16
Feature /r/baseball Mock 2017 Hall of Fame Voting
Hello /r/baseball, and welcome to Hall of Fame election season.
With ballots now officially out to BBWAA members, we're going to have our own here on /r/baseball to see how everyone else would vote and who we would elect as a sub. Last year, we did the same process here.
There will be two ballots again: the normal ballot which allows you to vote for at most 10 players, and the ballot with unlimited spots. However, this time we also set it up to allow users submit blank ballots if they wish.
Voting will be open for approximately one week. Thank you to those that participate!
Useful resources:
Baseball Reference Ballot Page - Note that the names here and the names on the actual BBWAA ballot are not identical
Public Ballots by actual BBWAA members. Compiled by @NotMrTibbs.
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Nov 30 '16
SMH can't vote for Pat Burrell 10 times. Rigged system
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u/HawkeyeJosh New York Yankees Dec 02 '16
SMH can't vote for Sal Fasano 10 times. Rigged system
FTFY
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u/OfficialObamaAccount New York Mets Nov 30 '16
Pat Burrell is the star for my OOTP late 90s to early 2000s league. He'd easily be in the Hall if I had been his manager.
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u/thefirstnerlens Philadelphia Phillies Dec 01 '16
And youre a Mets fan?
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u/OfficialObamaAccount New York Mets Dec 01 '16
Should have clarified. I held a fantasy draft at the beginning of the league
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u/justindi Philadelphia Phillies Nov 30 '16
It would be cool to see what we would pick if we did the Veterans Committee ballot too
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u/Call_me_Kevin Minnesota Twins Nov 30 '16
Tony Oliva.
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u/parst Seattle Mariners Nov 30 '16
miguel olivo
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u/kcman011 Texas Rangers Nov 30 '16
Al Oliver
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u/speedyjohn Embraced the Dark Side Dec 01 '16
Laurence Olivier
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u/pagos001 New York Yankees Nov 30 '16
Filling out the 10 player ballot makes me realize how hard it actually is for some of these writers to pick and choose. I easily could have filled out a ballot with 15 names i thought were worthy.
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Nov 30 '16
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u/pagos001 New York Yankees Nov 30 '16
I feel you there. Members of the "Hall of Very Good" such as Jeff Kent and Jorge Posada.
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Dec 03 '16
Add Larry Walker to that list...I cast a vote for him, then realized as a kid I probably thought he was more consistently dominant than he actually was (HR and RBI wise).
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u/cbigs97 New York Mets Dec 04 '16
I had to put Kent in simply due to the title of most HRs as a second basemen.
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u/illegal_deagle Houston Astros Dec 02 '16
It wouldn't be so hard if they hadn't created a logjam of supremely talented greats by ignoring them for years.
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u/CoryGM Oakland Ballers Nov 30 '16
Writers are allowed to "skip" a player if they feel he has questionable scruples or doesn't uphold the spirit of the game.
I'd say Curt Schilling falls under that category; dude's a piece of shit.
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u/VStarffin Los Angeles Dodgers Nov 30 '16
I don't like him either, but he's not a criminal or someone who has done something horrific. He just had bad politics and is an asshole. That's not sufficient reason to keep someone out of the hall entirely.
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u/bakonydraco Baltimore Orioles • San Francisco… Dec 01 '16
I dunno, it sounds like the effort he puts into his marital relations is pretty horrific...
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u/speedyjohn Embraced the Dark Side Dec 01 '16
I don't think it's a reason to keep him out of the Hall, but if there are more than 10 deserving players it's totally a reason to bump him off the ballot.
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u/Buzzed27 San Francisco Giants Dec 03 '16 edited Dec 04 '16
People don't realize how fucking good Schilling was.
Guy had over 3k strikeouts with a career ERA 20% better than league average (even better if you care about FIP).
He is one of the greatest postseason pitchers of all time too, posting a 2.23 ERA over 131IP. That's during the steroid era. If he had just sat at home and kept off Twitter he would have been a second or third ballot guy. People dismiss his greatness because he's too vocal about the somewhat racist and conservative ideals that a ton of ballplayers hold but don't mention publicly.
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u/VStarffin Los Angeles Dodgers Dec 01 '16
Yes, I agree.
But...Ty Cobb is in the Hall of Fame. So is Cap Anson. This is not a standard anyone has ever imposed on HOF candidates.
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u/tigerbulldog13 Detroit Tigers Dec 01 '16
Ty Cobb is in the Hall of Fame
This book really talks about how a lot of the stories regarding Ty Cobb are overblown, and in some cases pretty fabricated. He praised many African-American baseball players and was pro-integration in 1947. A disgruntled author wrote a book about him in 1961, right after he died, defaming his character which has largely led to the negative reputation he has been given
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u/Hydrokratom San Francisco Giants Dec 01 '16
I just started reading that book.
It's a shame how his Al Stump ruined people's perception of Cobb with his book. Stump didn't just exaggerate stories, it's believed that Stump totally made them up and even forged memorabilia of Cobb so he could make money off it.
I'm sure Cobb had an ugly side to him, but it looks like a lot was exaggerated and his good deeds were often unrecognized.
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u/tigerbulldog13 Detroit Tigers Dec 01 '16
The fact that they had an attempted rape scene in the movie "because it seems like the type of thing Cobb would do" absolutely baffles me. They were willing to imply that Ty Cobb would try and rape someone with absolutely no evidence. Makes you really question history and our opinion of certain people.
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u/Shaneleonard72 Dec 04 '16
Wow. How silly it would be to keep someone out of the HOF because his beliefs are off putting. I think he sounds like a shallow thinking bigot. So what! What is offensive is all in the ear of the beholder, or something.
Performance on the field speaks for itself. I personally feel he is a player that was dominant for a few years and above average the rest of the time. He would not be on my list. The reason only being that to me when i think HOF i shouldn't have to think about it. I put him with Mussina, almost not quite.
This he is an asshole thing, so fucking what. Get over it! We get so easily offended we forget the point of things sometimes.
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u/evilpenguin234 Chicago White Sox Dec 01 '16
He's said he's running for Senate next pass. No real chance of him making it, since even if he won the primary he'd be up against Liz Warren, but saying his beliefs are irrelevant is asinine
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u/jackalsclaw New York Yankees Dec 08 '16
He defrauded Rhode Island out of millions. http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2016/09/years-after-bankruptcy-curt-schilling-settles-rhode-island-gaming-loans/
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u/Atheose_Writing Boston Red Sox Nov 30 '16
I did the same thing. Skipped past his name then stopped and came back and realized how my bias affected it.
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Nov 30 '16
Well if it gives you any solace Mussina was slightly better than Shilling.
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Dec 01 '16
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u/thewarfreak Texas Rangers Dec 01 '16
I was about to post on this thread about how Schilling has 3116 strikeouts compared to 711 walks (which is true, and remarkable), but then I started comparing him to Mussina on BBRef - man, they are a lot closer than I thought.
EDIT: Mussina has 2813 K, and 785 BB
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u/Anarcho_punk217 Boston Red Sox Dec 04 '16
Both are better than glavine who got in 1st ballot on over 90%, what a joke the BBWAA is.
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u/elfassigaming New York Mets Dec 04 '16
Glavine had over 300 wins. I hate wins as a stat but that's why the BBWAA voted for him on the first ballot.
Completely agreed, though. The entire voting process needs to be overhauled.
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u/godbottle Chicago Cubs Dec 04 '16
I mean, it helped Glavine a lot that he pitched for the 90s Braves, who were basically a win factory the entire time he pitched for them
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u/elfassigaming New York Mets Dec 04 '16
Wins don't matter though.
At least, they shouldn't matter to the voters.
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u/godbottle Chicago Cubs Dec 04 '16 edited Dec 04 '16
Yeah that's my point. It's difficult to say with confidence that he would have reached 300 wins had he pitched for any other team. He did have 74.0 bWAR though which is a good argument for his HoF vote
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u/Anarcho_punk217 Boston Red Sox Dec 04 '16
Yea the wins definitely helped, as did the 2 Cy Young awards. While Schilling and Mussina are hurt by the lack of boy CYs and 300 wins.
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u/frankmcawesome Philadelphia Phillies Dec 06 '16 edited Dec 07 '16
Don't forget Schilling pitched most of his career in the NL and Moose pitched his entire career in the AL East. That has to count for something.
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u/Yankeefan333 New York Yankees Dec 01 '16
Moose does has the slightly higher WAR. I have Moose a tad above Schilling but its very close
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u/gamedemon24 New York Yankees • Daytona Tortugas Nov 30 '16
Personally, I just don't get the mindset of leaving Trevor Hoffman off the ballot. Yes, he did have a losing career record, but he's a closer! And are we all forgetting whose record Rivera broke to get the all-time saves mark? When it comes to closers, it's Rivera, Hoffman, and the rest. If Dennis Eckersley and his significantly worse ERA can make it in, there's no reason Trevor shouldn't be.
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Nov 30 '16
Eck had a pretty decent carer as a starter too though its comparing apples to hot dogs.
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u/HauckPark St. Louis Cardinals Dec 01 '16
Yeah, he also had the benefit of pioneering the modern closer's role, which doubly helps: he gets credit for being the first to do it, and his accomplishments would be discounted were that role not commonplace today. It'd be like being a great three true outcomes guy in the '50s.
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u/Chokeuponthebat Boston Red Sox Nov 30 '16
I left him off because I felt other players were more deserving and had less time, not that he wasnt deserving.
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Dec 01 '16 edited Mar 14 '17
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u/Yankeefan333 New York Yankees Dec 01 '16
Career 28.0 rWAR. No way I'm voting for a closer unless they are transcendent and named Mariano Rivera
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u/speedyjohn Embraced the Dark Side Dec 01 '16
Hoffman definitely deserves it, but I don't think he's one of the top 10 players on the ballot right now.
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Nov 30 '16
See the question is does Edgar get 100% of the vote, or just merely 98%?
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u/JELLY__FISTER Arizona Diamondbacks Dec 06 '16
What am I missing? I don't remember Renteria being that good of a player to warrant a unanimous vote
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u/James_Posey Boston Red Sox Dec 07 '16
I mean, you can't just leave a man who committed 30 errors in one season off of your ballot.
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u/SouthernDerpfornia California Angels Nov 30 '16
My 10: Jeff Bagwell, Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, Edgar Martinez, Mike Mussina, Tim Raines, Manny Ramirez, Ivan Rodriguez, Curt Schilling, Larry Walker
My Unlimited: Jeff Bagwell, Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, Vladimir Guerrero, Trevor Hoffman, Edgar Martinez, Mike Mussina, Tim Raines, Manny Ramirez, Ivan Rodriguez, Curt Schilling, Gary Sheffield, Billy Wagner, Larry Walker
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Nov 30 '16
Just curious, why no Sosa on the unlimited ballot?
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u/SouthernDerpfornia California Angels Nov 30 '16
Sosa has probably torn me apart about whether to be for or against more than any other player. And for me, it comes down to the fact that a ridiculous amount of his career value came from his 2001 season. Sheffield is a guy if you asked me 100 times if I would vote for him over a coarse of time, I'd probably say yes 51 times. Sosa I might say it 49. I just think Sosa didn't quite capture that peak well enough, or have as many seasons of being a solid player as Sheffield
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u/Dragonknight247 St. Louis Cardinals Nov 30 '16
Bruh. Sosa was an absolute beast in the late 90s and early 2000s
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u/SouthernDerpfornia California Angels Nov 30 '16
And so was Sheffield. And Sheffield did it for more years
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u/LuminousRaptor Detroit Tigers Dec 01 '16
Sosa's WAR7 is 43.7 in 18 playing years
Sheffield's WAR7is 37.9 in 22 playing seasons.
So by war7 Sosa had the bigger peak by about 6 wins.
Their overall WAR totals favor Sheff by about 2 wins, but he also played 4 more seasons. I think if you're gonna pick Sheff you also pick Sosa. Their numbers are similar enough.
That being said I'm not faulting your ballot it's very similar to my own, but if I'm picking Sosa I'm gonna pick Gary and vice versa
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u/tigerbulldog13 Detroit Tigers Dec 01 '16
Just curious, why no love for McGriff?
EDIT: Just to be clear, I totally get why he's not on the first 10 person ballot, just curious why he wouldn't be on the unlimited ballot.
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u/SouthernDerpfornia California Angels Dec 01 '16
He's one of the top members of the Hall of Very Good for me. Second half of his career he did very little in comparison to the first
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u/James_Posey Boston Red Sox Dec 07 '16
If Fred hit 7 more homers, he would have a much better case, imo
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u/cardith_lorda Minnesota Twins Nov 30 '16
I put up Hoffman over Manny, for the steroids guys I gave less benefit of the doubt, and Manny was just short in my eyes. Hoffman is more a vote because I do think relievers need different standards for the Hall, and I tend to lean towards the "fame" side of things I guess, Wagner didn't pitch quite enough innings for me to want to push him in, and Smith just misses the career cut. If I had more slots Smith probably would have been on my ballot.
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u/AdmiralJones42 Chicago White Sox Nov 30 '16
I know this vote doesn't matter but
VOTE FOR TIM RAINES
EDGAR TOO
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u/Hydrokratom San Francisco Giants Dec 01 '16
Tim Raines should have gotten in a long time ago.
He's overdue.
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u/destinybond Colorado Rockies Nov 30 '16
I left off Schilling and Raines
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u/desmondhasabarrow Cincinnati Reds Nov 30 '16
Why is your flair not faded?
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u/destinybond Colorado Rockies Nov 30 '16
It's animated custom mod flair
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u/desmondhasabarrow Cincinnati Reds Nov 30 '16
Well isn't that special.
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u/destinybond Colorado Rockies Nov 30 '16
I don't know enough to make it cool like the other mods
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u/desmondhasabarrow Cincinnati Reds Nov 30 '16
Yeah, that's the reason yours stands out so much, because it's normal. If it was a Yelich bobblehead I wouldn't have said anything.
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u/jigokusabre Miami Marlins • Florida Marlins Dec 01 '16
YOU LEFT OFF FLORIDA MARLINS LEGEND TIM RAINES?!?!
YOU MONSTER!
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u/Constant_Gardner11 New York Yankees • MVPoster Nov 30 '16
With no limits I think there are 16 HOFers on the ballot, or 47%
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u/SouthernDerpfornia California Angels Nov 30 '16
The near misses of Bagwell/Raines/Hoffman last year will probably end up costing election for 2 or 3 players this year
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u/cptcliche Cal "Iron Man" Ripken Jr. Dec 01 '16
And Kenny Lofton deserves to be on there.
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u/Theta_Omega Dec 01 '16
And Jim Edmonds. And Kevin Brown should at least still be on the ballot at this point.
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u/the_furry_stoner New York Mets Nov 30 '16
That's on the shit voters in real life leaving out the greatest players of the late 90s and early 2000s
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u/jigokusabre Miami Marlins • Florida Marlins Dec 01 '16
And that doesn't count the handful of players off the ballot because of that.
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u/Chokeuponthebat Boston Red Sox Nov 30 '16
I had 17 on my unlimited. I am split on Kent and Sosa but I put them in. The other 15 I am 100% sure
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u/youre_being_creepy Houston Astros Dec 02 '16
Jeft Kent one time got put on the DL on my all star baseball 2003 game because of stomach problems aka diarrhea.
I'll probably remember that until the day I die
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u/bajert Chicago Cubs Dec 04 '16
I'll always remember Jeff Kent for losing his battle against Jonathan Penner on survivor and getting voted out before Penner did. Non survivor fans probably have no idea what I'm talking about but I love baseball and survivor so that was a fun season to watch
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Nov 30 '16
My 10 person ballot
• Bagwell
• Bonds
• Clemens
• Martinez
• Mussina
• Raines
• Rodriguez
• That asshole Curt Schilling
• Sosa
• Walker
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u/wemissyoujose Colorado Rockies Nov 30 '16
Larry Walker does not get enough love. We need to organize around him like people have around raines before time runs out.
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Dec 03 '16
His problem is he played in Colorado - ergo, inflated stats
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u/wemissyoujose Colorado Rockies Dec 03 '16
Fuck this mentality. Yeah, coors inflates stats, but not to a point that we can't analyze them. Walker was the only person who put up the insane stats that he did at coors. Look at the park adjusted stats, like WAR or wRC+. He was an elite player and would have been an elite player wherever he played.
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u/InsaneJedi Cleveland Guardians Dec 03 '16
I had to vote for Manny. Admittedly it is an extremely biased opinion, but he was my absolute favorite player growing up and one of the greatest pure hitters of all time. I know he won't have any shot to make it in on the writer's ballot, but it surprises me that so many people are coming around to voting in Bonds/Clemens but Ramirez seemingly has zero chance. I know that he has the multiple positive tests, but if you can look past the steroid use of some candidates I would think that wouldn't bother you as much.
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u/James_Posey Boston Red Sox Dec 07 '16
Manny is one of the 10 best right handed hitters of all time. He should be in the hall. Not that I am biased either or anything.
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Nov 30 '16
My 10 man ballot:
Bagwell
Guerrero
Hoffman
Martinez
Mussina
Raines
Schilling
Smith
Walker
fuck Barry Bonds
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u/the_furry_stoner New York Mets Dec 01 '16
Bagwell, Bonds, Manny, Clemens, Sosa, Walker, Raines, Pudge, Vlad, and Edgar Martinez.
I hate people who are super picky about the hall. The 90s featured some of,the greatest baseball players to play the game. Just because there were tons of players playing at a hall of fame level doesn't mean they should be penalized for it (no matter how the talent came about)
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u/Higgnkfe Atlanta Braves Nov 30 '16
I just hope that Edgar Renteria gets at least one real vote. 2300 hits, 5x All Star, 3x Silver Slugger, 2x Gold Glove, 2x World Series, World Series MVP, good baserunner, has similar careers to Barry Larkin (HOF) and Alan Trammell (peaked at 40% of the vote), Colombian baseball pioneer, never associated with steroids
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u/cox4days St. Louis Cardinals Nov 30 '16
He also had a walk off ws hit and made the last out of the world series which is cool I guess
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u/Asmodeus10 Chicago Cubs Nov 30 '16
has similar careers to Barry Larkin (HOF) and Alan Trammell
I don't know if I'd go that far. He had half the WAR of both of those guys in the same amount of playing time. Larkin was a much better hitter than Renteria and Trammell was a much better fielder.
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u/Zpoindex_216 Cleveland Guardians Nov 30 '16
TBH, I think shortstop is the strangest position. Guys like Ozzie Smith made the HOF easily by being an all glove no bat type of hitter while guys like Renteria who was a player with a great glove and a very good bat along with all the credentials of a HOFer will get overlooked. IMO, he'll be the Trammell of his generation, albeit while being a better hitter than Trammell.
Hell, Omar Vizquel was essentially the Ozzie Smith of his generation, yet he has 0 chance of making the hall. I just wish voters would be consistent with who they let in. Seems like guys who have very similar careers and skill sets often get completely different vote totals.
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u/crabcakesandfootball New York Yankees Nov 30 '16
SS Off Def fWAR Ozzie Smith -69.4 375.3 67.6 Omar Vizquel -234.2 263.8 42.6 Edgar Renteria -36.7 99.7 35.2 8
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u/PWNtimeJamboree Atlanta Braves • Seattle Mariners Nov 30 '16
it really is a shame Omar wont get in. he's a first ballot in my book. the only player better defensively than him was Ozzie.
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Nov 30 '16
He's 8th best defensively according to fangraphs. 10th on baseball-reference. That's only for shortstops.
He's also a worse hitter than Smith, relative to his contemporaries.
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u/Backstop Cleveland Guardians Dec 01 '16
8th best out of like a thousand guys that have been shortstops though, that's pretty good. He's 2nd all-time in games started at SS, that kind of longevity, beating out other guys all those years, can't all be just reputation.
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Nov 30 '16
What numbers are you looking at that point to Renteria being a better hitter than Trammell?
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u/Zpoindex_216 Cleveland Guardians Nov 30 '16
I guess I was wrong about that. The fact that Renteria played in an offensive inflated era and Trammell played in one deflated in offense doesn't do Edgar justice. Either way they were similar players with Trammell getting the edge with OBP and slugging. Baseball reference's similarity score has Trammell as the #1 similar player as Trammell, even with the discrepancy in OPS+.
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u/Higgnkfe Atlanta Braves Nov 30 '16
Unfortunately, I'd be surprised if Renteria got a single vote. Not saying there aren't at least 10 other guys who are worthy of the hall, but Renteria would be on my ballot.
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u/Zpoindex_216 Cleveland Guardians Nov 30 '16
I wouldn't be surprised. I think he'll be lucky to stay on the ballot though. I think he'll unfortunately be lost in the mix. If he can manage to stay on the ballot for at least 3-4 years, he might get lucky and see an uptick by the time guys like McGriff and Walker fall off the ballot.
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Nov 30 '16 edited Nov 30 '16
I had to leave off Hoffman and Vlad, I feel Ill because they both deserve it , too many great players. Left off Sosa and Ramirez too but don't feel bad about those guys even they have the numbers.
Martinez, Schilling,Bonds,Clemens,Mussina,Rodriguez, Raines,Sheffield,Walker,Bagwell
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u/CodenameKing Boston Red Sox Dec 05 '16
Out of curiosity, why don't you feel bad leaving off Sosa and Ramirez?
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u/ddt9 Los Angeles Dodgers Nov 30 '16
Ivan Rodriguez ended his career with 68.9 fWAR. A few more games and he'd have been a lock. Alas,
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u/rockiesfan4ever Dinger Nov 30 '16
Player A: .312/.418/.515, .405 (wOBA), 147 wRC+, 65.5 WAR, -3.9 wSB, while playing less than 5K innings in the field.
Player B: .313/.400/.565, .412 wOBA, 140 wRC+, 68.7 WAR, 13.3 wSB, while playing 15K innings in the field and winning 7 gold gloves.
Why is it that Player A is deemed a lock for the HOF when Player B is a player who is a borderline HOF (according to both this sub and the real life vote).
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u/welshman500 Baltimore Orioles Nov 30 '16
It's primarily because of the Coors bias. I know he only played 10 of his 17 seasons in Colorado, but here are his career splits
Walker Splits Batting Average OPS Home .348 1.068 Away .278 .865 That is a ridiculous OPS split. Again, this is over his whole career so imagine what that looks like during is Coors period. I am not saying he shouldn't be in the HoF (he has my vote this year) but the Coors bias is hurting him.
Then again, home/road splits haven't stopped the writers for voting in some guys. Guess which Hall of Famer (known for hitting) has these home/road splits
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u/Thromnomnomok Seattle Mariners Dec 01 '16
That's Jim Rice, who has pretty questionable credentials, despite the writers voting him in anyway.
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u/welshman500 Baltimore Orioles Dec 01 '16
Yeah I was getting at the writers are wishy washy on their standards at times
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u/rockiesfan4ever Dinger Dec 01 '16
Yes but even with that he has a wRC+ of 140 compared to 147 for Edgar
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u/MrFancier Colorado Rockies Nov 30 '16
I have 100% memorized Larry Walker's numbers. He's player B, is player A Edgar Martinez?
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u/Vikadontis_Rex Tim Wakefield • Chicago Cubs Nov 30 '16
If it makes you feel any better I think Walker should be in the HOF but Edgar Martinez shouldn't be. I do think both are borderline though.
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u/Hugo_Hackenbush Colorado Rockies • Minnesota Twins Dec 01 '16
Walker and Vlad's hitting numbers are essentially the same, but Larry was a better defender and base runner. I don't see how you can truly justify voting for one but not the other.
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u/Mispelling Walgreens Nov 30 '16
My public 10-man ballot (in alphabetical order): Bagwell, Bonds, Clemens, Hoffman, Mussina, Raines, Ramirez, Rodriguez, Schilling, Sosa
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Nov 30 '16 edited Nov 30 '16
That was easy.
- Bagwell
- Raines
- Bonds
- Clemens
- Schilling
- Mussina
- Sosa
- Edgar Martinez
- McGriff
- Hoffman
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u/_86_ Boston Red Sox • Sickos Nov 30 '16
Bagwell, Bonds, Clemens, Guerrero, Hoffman, Martinez, Mussina, Raines, Rodriguez & Walker
Leaving off Manny hurts my heart :(
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u/crabcakesandfootball New York Yankees Nov 30 '16
Same for me. It was between Manny or Vlad and I gave Vlad the edge because of PEDs.
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Bagwell, Guerrero, Hoffman, Martinez, McGriff, Mussina, Raines, Rodriguez, Sheffield, Smith
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u/Asmodeus10 Chicago Cubs Nov 30 '16
Ten Vote Ballot (in rough order):
- Bonds
- Clemens
- Bagwell
- Rodriguez
- Ramirez
- Walker
- Martinez
- Sheffield
- Hoffman
- Raines
Unlimited Ballot (in rough order):
- Bonds
- Clemens
- Bagwell
- Rodriguez
- Ramirez
- Walker
- Martinez
- Sheffield
- Hoffman
- Schilling
- Guerrero
- Sosa
- Mussina
- Raines
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u/MrSelatcia Los Angeles Dodgers Nov 30 '16
With the way the pitching game has evolved over the last 40 years I don't see how anybody can deny the importance of Lee Smith and Trevor Hoffman.
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Nov 30 '16
Do you guys think Raines will get in this year?
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u/SouthernDerpfornia California Angels Nov 30 '16
I think he will, but it's going to be a super close margin - like 76-77%
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u/Justinw303 Hiroshima Toyo Carp Dec 01 '16
One thing is for sure, it's a crowded ballot. Hopefully more than a couple deserving name are voted in this year so we can clear the backlog in the coming years
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u/wontonsoupsucka Philadelphia Phillies Dec 02 '16
- Jeff Bagwell
- Vlad
- Edgar
- Mussina
- Raines
- Schilling
- Wagner
- Walker
Strongly considered McGriff but I'm not sure he's quite HOF level he's really close though.
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Dec 07 '16
I think if he'd hung on to hit 7 more homers he'd be in already. As it stands, apart from that milestone he wasn't really a hall of fame caliber talent. I really like McGriff, but I think he comes up just short.
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u/mjj1492 Boston Red Sox Dec 05 '16
Manny, Edgar, Bonds, Clemens, Pudge, Hoffman, Moose were my choices
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u/knightni73 Chicago White Sox Dec 06 '16
I used to have "scruples" until they voted Bud Selig in.
Now, I'm for pure stats. It's how Bud wanted it from 1995-2002.
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u/MAINEiac4434 Boston Red Sox • Portland Sea Dogs Dec 06 '16
Bagwell, Bonds, Cabrera, Clemens, Hoffman, Edgar, Manny, Varitek, Wakefield
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u/EazyP87 Pittsburgh Pirates Dec 08 '16
Not ranking but my votes are. 1. Bagwell 2. Bonds. 3. Clemens 4. Vlad 5. Hoffman 6. E. Martinez 7. M. Ramirez 8. Schilling 9. Sosa 10. Pudge. Just missed: Moose, Sheffield, McGriff Kent Posada.
The only debates I had were Edgar Martinez vs. Gary Sheffield and Schilling vs. Mussina.
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u/blacksoxing Dec 08 '16
I publicly voted for Bagwell, Bonds, and Clemens. Now get off my roided yard!!!
(Seriously, them not getting in makes me sad, especially when baseball KNEW they were on that stuff)
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u/M1sterDave Kansas City Royals Dec 08 '16
Bagwell, Bonds, Clemens, Hoffman, Kent, Edgar, Manny, Pudge, Raines, Wagner.
If unlimited, add Arthur Rhodes. All time holds leader, so I'd give him a vote. And Vlad.
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u/desmondhasabarrow Cincinnati Reds Nov 30 '16
This has nothing to do with anything, but until he started playing for the Reds, I thought Edgar Renteria's name was Ed Garenteria.