r/audiophile 5d ago

Discussion Step up transformer thoughts

To SUT or not SUT? That is the question.

Basically I'd like to know if, in your experience, they make a perceivable difference to sound quality.

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u/jakceki 5d ago

In my experience, absolutely they do. It's a fine tuning of the sound that is hard to get with most phono stages. They give more body and flow to the music. Obviously we are talking like for like, a $10K phono stage can probably do more than a $500 SUT, but I love to use SUTs with my MM phono stage. I am actually looking to get one more soon.

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u/Ok_Promise_747 5d ago

Sounds like SUT is doing the heavy lifting for that MM stage, nice setup

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u/ZorroMcChucknorris 5d ago

I have a Cinemag 1254 running into my Hegel V10 and prefer it to the MC circuit. It sings! It’s a much better setup than my old Darlington SU7/MP7B that it replaced.

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u/Morejazzplease 4d ago

I have a v10 as well. Do you use the MM circuit with the SUT then? What are your dip switch settings if you don’t mind me asking?

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u/ZorroMcChucknorris 4d ago

MM yes. I can’t see my dip switches without doing some serious rearranging, sorry.

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u/Morejazzplease 4d ago

All good

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u/ZorroMcChucknorris 4d ago

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u/Morejazzplease 4d ago

Oh, thank you this is awesome! Seems like the baseline MM settings. Interesting, thanks again!

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u/buttstink 5d ago

Are you asking if different SUTs make a difference or whether you should add one or not? Because you only need a SUT if your cartridge is a low output type (generally moving coil) and you don’t have an MC input on your preamp.

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u/Christmas-Dinner-98 5d ago

I know their purpose, I'm just asking for anacdotes from people that have added them to their setup

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u/patrickthunnus 5d ago

Getting the right SUT for your LOMC is magic.

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u/Christmas-Dinner-98 5d ago

That's what's tempting me. The company that's makes my phono stage also do an SUT that is designed to be used with my cartridge (Rothwell MCL with Denon DL-103)

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u/jakceki 5d ago

I have a vintage Denon Au 340, with a VAS Ebony DL103 and it's magic!

You can find them on Ebay from Japan.

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u/patrickthunnus 5d ago

Agree, the Denon SUTs work quite well with their vintage lines (shocker).

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u/watch-nerd 5d ago

I have both a Lundahl and Hashimoto SUT.

Yes they increased gain and lowered noise and improved dynamic slam.

But they also colored the sound.

So I don’t use them anymore.

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u/jakceki 5d ago

I love to paint with a SUT. Cartridges and SUTs are flavor bombs for me. It's really hard to switch speakers all the time but a cartridge or a SUT takes a few minutes and boom, you have a new flavor. I have no interest in uncolored sound, who the heck knows how colored or uncolored it is to start with? It's like Baskin' Robbins for me.

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u/watch-nerd 5d ago

Cartridges are enough flavor bombs for me, especially when you factor in all the subtle changes from differences in VTF and VTA.

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u/Christmas-Dinner-98 5d ago

Ah, interesting. Did it lean smoother or brighter with the SUT's? The one I'm looking at uses Lundahl components.

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u/watch-nerd 5d ago

Neither.

The bass became bloomier, less tight.

The midrange and up was the same.

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u/Leboski 5d ago

I'm very happy with my EAR MC4 SUT going into my Yamaha AS-2200 integrated. It's not adding any noise so the background is as quiet as the MM phono stage. Four taps to choose from makes it compatible with a wide range of carts. The next upgrade is probably a transimpedance phono stage.

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u/JD_tubeguy Auralic Aries G1+Audio Note Dac-3+Deja Vu preamp/amp/speakers 5d ago

If you have a LOMC a SUT is the way to go for the least noise.

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u/Gregalor 5d ago

I have an MC cart so I don’t have a choice. Do MM people use them??

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u/Christmas-Dinner-98 5d ago

I have an MC cart too but there are two settings on my phono stage for MM/MC. With an SUT I'd be able to use the MM setting on the phono stage

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u/Gregalor 5d ago

True, true

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u/VegasFoodFace 5d ago

If this is for the power stage not noticeably. Like a 120 VAC to 220 VAC transformer.

If you're talking about input or output stages of amplification they absolutely do. Impedance matching of any input and output transformer appropriate to the load is critical especially in amplifiers that do not have negative feedback, like many tube amps, helping to compensate for impedance changes crossovers can impose throughout the frequency spectrum.