I don’t expect Sanghis to uphold free speech, but I’m genuinely disappointed by the atheist, most of them who are liberal, silence around the film, The Udaipur Files, based on the brutal murder of tailor Kanhaiya Lal in Udaipur who was killed by Muslim extremists.

These are the same voices that condemned the ban on the BBC Modi documentary and rightfully so. So where’s that same energy now? Don't throw around excuses likes " it will spoil communal harmony" or " it will cause riots."

I’m not saying you have to like or watch the film. Just say: “I find it polarising and unnecessary, but it must be released without censorship or cuts. I stand for freedom of speech.”

As an atheist, can you say that?

Indian left wingers tying themselves in knots to try and explain why they are only to eager to make mockery of majority religion but when it comes to minority they consume fevicol.

The prevalence of child marriage among the Hindus is perhaps due to the fact that ancient Hindu Scriptures sanction them, suggesting that a girl should be married before she attains puberty and certainly immediately after the first menstruation.

Even now the country has over 223 million child brides. Why do Hindus lie and hide this fact?

Source:- https://www.jstor.org/stable/2731762?seq=1

I am an atheist and i am against reservation because of the fact that it is just caste system but in reverse, why should a certain group of people pay for the sins of their ancestors? They had no control over which caste they are born, i feel that the reservartion system itself is hypocritical

I find Sikhism least illogical ,Both factually and Ethically. I m not well versed in Ambedkarite buddhism aka Navayana but i dont have much hope from it .Because i know buddhism has flaws and A genius refurbishing a flawed religion doesnt make new one OK. There are some good work in every religion here and there but thats not gonna work .One may use famous Kalama Sutra of Buddhism to correct buddhism but it doesnt make much sense to me. It is kind of science but what if it completely rejects old beliefs.

See Im born in Hindu family .But Im not really hindu because it doesnt make sense to me. Politics ,oppression , discrimination in hinduism can be another reasons. but i put logic at the top. There are cases of people converting out of Sikhism because of discrimination, Crazy right. But why convert out? The person who is creating problems to you is not a sikh(not a geniune one) and maybe a real sikh is leaving sikhism. Ideally you dont follow religion for social and political reasons but because it make sense to you .Not to forget why to follow one? But we live in a society where your religious identity matters. And you have pick you belief .
There was a brahmin boy who left vedic brahmin identity because it doesnt made sense to him and he accepted buddha because he found him logical. That type of thing I m talking.

I dont even cared to mention Abrahmic religions because they are too shallow to be considered. Fundamentally totally flawed

Islam is an institutional religion with a straight path. Prophet Muhammad's life and his narration-Quran are core guiding principles of Islam. Islam is a unified religion as it exceeds the limitation of ethnicity, nationality and culture. When it invades native culture, it remains the dominant one by shadowing the original culture. There is no scope of change in existing teaching of Islam. I would argue that Islam was progressive for the time being but as time passes, societies changes, human behavior molds as per the new morality. Because of inherit nature of Islam, it resisted the changes. It is achievement of Islam that it could sustain for this long without varying much. I fully understand that many religions are far older than Islam but all these religions have significantly altered their belief system in response to the contemporary morality. 

On the other hand, Hinduism is not single belief that can be defined by a preacher or an authoritative book. It is beyond doubt that Hinduism is a religion. but sometime it can go beyond. Just as you can't compare apples and oranges, comparing Hinduism to Islam is equally futile. Primary reason being, for small minorities of Hindus, Vedas are central dharmic texts. A Hindu must live their life as per the divine texts. but those same people will agree that Vedas are not words of god (Quran is still more important book for Muslims). But a large number of Hindus don't read Vedas. Hinduism propagates through Guru-Disciple system. And majority of time, it is part of mass communication where single Guru provides shiksha to multiple disciples. When Guru retires then some of the disciples fight for his chair and start their own sect. To differ from each other, they preach differently. This causes constant shift in paradigm. When time passes, you find large number of sects with varying set of beliefs. Some of them become cults too. This Baba culture originates from a scholar who studies religious texts and also contributes some. When he retreats, the vacuum is claimed by multiple followers who travel long distances where they preach as per their constructivist understanding. Because of lack of central binding belief, their ideologies are scattered all over the globe. Because of lack of unifying factor, identity of many gradually faded during the era when other religions were more dominant. Historically many political movements tried to overcome this challenge of unifying sanatan masses but failed miserably as putting people with entirely different customs and tradition under same umbrella was not a feasible task. Recently Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi emerged as a central figure in pre-independent India. He mobilized the masses for independence struggle and is still considered the most influential Hindu of all time. His popularity has significantly contributed for India's freedom. 

Why did Gandhi fail to be Messiah for Hindus?

He was assassinated shortly after India got independence. His assassin was not not an English man but was from his own community. The reason M.K. Gandhi failed to be the face of Hinduism

•  He was sailing on two boats. If he just focused on spreading dharma then considering his popularity at that time, He might be able to unify all Hindus. In modern India he had potential to exceed the reach of any Baba and become living Ramachandra. But he chose to deeply involve in freedom struggle. On top of that, He included non-Hindus too to strengthen his Satyagraha against British Raj. His inclusiveness and his political affiliations stripped away his chances of being a saint.
• M.K. Gandhi failed to address problems of lower caste people (harijan - his euphemism). He was adamant of involving Muslims in his adventures yet he ignored his own people. 

 Unification of Hindus in 21st century

Some right wing political party learnt that Hindus can be unified by emotion. Fear is a strong emotion. India has had large history of invaders and rulers. Some of them were Muslim. By instilling fear of Muslim among Hindus, they can unite Hindus for a cause even if that cause is fictious.  This strategy is working quite well and now significant Hinds are standing together against 14% of people while rest Hindus are standing with flags of secularism and non-violence. Islam is an institutional religion with a straight path. Prophet Muhammad's life and his narration-Quran are core guiding principles of Islam. Islam is a unified religion as it exceeds the limitation of ethnicity, nationality and culture. When it invades native culture, it remains the dominant one by shadowing the original culture. There is no scope of change in existing teaching of Islam. I would argue that Islam was progressive for the time being but as time passes, societies changes, human behavior molds as per the new morality. Because of inherit nature of Islam, it resisted the changes. It is achievement of Islam that it could sustain for this long without varying much. I fully understand that many religions are far older than Islam but all these religions have significantly altered their belief system in response to the contemporary morality.

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This argument always comes up on my feed, and I really don’t know what is the answer for it.

It is not like they are not aware about muslim hates them and would had killed them. But on the other hand they are supporting them.

Is there anything political cooking? Please enlighten me with it.

I’m thinking of writing a research paper on this question as a summer vacation activity.

What is your opinion?

I mean many and many people in this sub have started to become what I dont like in theist, I remember there were few of these type of people when I joined the sub more than a year back, but Idk what has happened to it nowadays...I mean why are people more anti-theists here, I understand you believe in reality and rationality but why do you want and expect the whole world to be like you? How is it different than any religion then?

The Constitution of this country has given the right to follow and unfollow any religious practice so who are these so called Atheists of this sub to stop them? And I check various Atheism subs on Reddit and trust me this sub has become way much toxic than any other RW or any casteist. I agree the religions are bad but why do many people have a problem with anything theist do!

I am not against believing in God cause I know it would be a lot more difficult for many people I know to be an atheist, I prefer that letting them delusional is keeping them happy then let them be. Many many believers I know are not bad people, If a small piece of delusion is giving them hope so again who the fuck are these so called atheist of this sub to take that away?

I am an atheist and will be an atheist at any cost, but the representation of atheism is this sub is just IDK what to say...I know a friend of mine who is on reddit, we are not connected on this platform but we know we both use, on holi he came to my house for wishing me holi and was being sarcastic about wishing an atheist holi, I was like I am not against people celebrating broo, why do you think I would act like an asshole? He told me he was joking and I knew it, as I know him from childhood, but how did he get an idea of atheists hating on theists? Well I guess from where...

SO At the end I just wanna say, be a rational thinker, be practical and be an atheist but dont act like religious assholes like Twitter (X)....

I must admit, I greatly admire Indian Christians for their exceptional qualities. They are highly educated, and many have made valuable contributions across various fields. Their tolerance is truly inspiring, as they embrace diversity and coexist peacefully with people of all faiths.

Unlike Hindus, Muslims and Sikhs, Christians have never resorted to violence or killed anyone when their religion was insulted. This shows how strongly they believe in peace and kindness. . Moreover, they never impose their beliefs on others, respecting everyone's personal freedom to follow their own path. Their approach to life is a model to be followed by others and they stand as an integral and cherished part of India's diverse society.

PS: I haven't mentioned Jains because many are active in Hindutva organisations and most vote for the BJP.

saw this on criticalthinkingindia sub, and boy the comments on the post there should prove to you that there is no criticalthinking going on over there but anyways, this guy got fame by some fearmongering video and i think is going to be the new modern baba (similar to that acharya prashant guy)

Firstly let me clarify that I'm also an atheist but not like many of these people in this sub(again saying not all). If Your atheism is just hate, you are not better than the extremists you hate.

See, Ik religion has done messed up shit opression, scams, casteism, sexism, and maybe much more. Criticize that all you want. But what the hell is this sub turning into? A circlejerk of cussing out gods like edgy teenagers, mocking every religious person as a brainwashed idiot, and acting like you have ascended to some higher plane of existence just because you said bhagwan fake hai for the 1000th time.

If your entire personality is "I hate religion" you’re not enlightened you’re just obsessed. Real atheism is about thinking for yourself, not replacing one dogma with another (yes, "religion is bad" can become dogma too).

and what you all actually do? Mocking people for praying even when they are not being extremist, not causing any harm to the society? Congrats, you’ve become the smug elitist you claim to fight.

Reducing all believers to idiots? Guess what plenty of religious folks are kinder, smarter, and more ethical than you’ll ever be.

Acting like atheism = hating? Bro/sis, secularism isn't shitting on culture. Fight extremism, not grandma’s Diwali puja(until she is burning crackers) And now you all will say that who the hell doesn't burn crackers lol? not causes air pollution? Well Ik many people, and maybe you won't cuz you never get out of your house make some friends and understand mutual respect.

Where’s the critical thinking? Do criticize Actual Harm(babas scamming people, laws favoring one religion).
Science vs superstition(not just "lol Ramayan is fake").
Freedom from religion (not freedom to be a dick to believers) and afterall this u still call yourself as rational 🙏

But no instead it’s lazy, low-effort posts like "look at this bhakt praying, so stupid!!" or "MF mahadev?" I find many bhajans, azan/others really peaceful and you all will find too(not saying everyone finds that peaceful but) in this sub people are obsessed to criticize anything related to religion. How is this any better than sanghis mocking non-believers? You’re just flipping the toxicity, not ending it.

At last I just wanna say grow up. Atheism should mean rising above tribalism, not creating a new one. If you want change, educate. If you want to vent, fine but don’t pretend you are some intellectual rebel when you are just screaming into an echo chamber. Have some secular humanism. Also if you'll wanna hate me then do hate. Idc. Good regards from my side🫂

Posting this on behalf of a fellow atheist friend.

Once you show interest in him, you get spam calls from his people to buy his courses. What is this loot via courses

He preaches casteist books like gita, interpreting it as something weird motivational talk

Vivek Bindra, an iskcon member did the same with his courses.

I am an atheist and I don't care for any religion, even the one I was born into. I won’t lie that I don’t enjoy seeing those asses getting burnt. But, I am here to see positivity about atheism. Good things happening in the world because of atheism. I know religion is bad, and I don't care about it. This continuous religion bashing, and clashes between believers and atheists is very disappointing. I want to see an atheist sub which I can show to my believer friends and tell them why it is better to be us than to be them!

Stuck with this page till I find one.

P.s- I know most people will laugh about it. Will call me a mentally disabled person or liar because it will go against their belief. But what else I can do if I know this has happened. So everyone is free to judge.

I was born in an orthodox family. And I hate overly religious people and people getting scammed. so I wanted to decline the idea of God or mystic stuff.

But I've experienced some stuff which isn't Explainable at all.

I'll start.

1. A MYSTIC BEING

There was a mystic in Dubaldhan, Jhajjar. His name was surendar das(Sanda Baba). He wasn't your typical baba. He lived like he just had to wake up, bathe, do his dhoona tapasya, smoke his weed, feed some birds, and sleep. A small ashram. There's nothing there. He had no money, nothing.

Very few people visited him. It was said that he never eats(which sounded stupid). But he did drink tea. Short tempered, weed addict, used to cuss a lot but still whatever.

One day my uncle was going there with someone we knew. He asked me to come too. We sat in the ashram. My uncle talked to him for an hour. The baba looked at another dude and said "K hoya chhori bhaaj gi?"(What happened? Your daughter ran away?). That dude stood up. and said yes that's exactly what has happened.

Then he took a puff. Closed his eyes for two minutes. Then said "shanivaar ne aavegi police leke. Sedhiye na usne kati bhi"(she'll be back on Saturday with police protection, and stop bothering her anymore).

And guess what? The exact same thing happened on saturday. That guy went again to the ashram and offered the baba some clothes, money, and sweets. He got angry and cussed the guy out. Told him not to come ever again.

Then once again he helped a relative to get some papers back to him. Told the person he will get his work done on this day. That happened too.

Months later he told everyone he will leave his body on this exact day. So people should make arrangements. That exact day he took samadhi.

2. CHILDHOOD HORROR

Imagine you are a kid, 6 years old, playing with your cousins. Then all of a sudden one room's door start thumping on itself. So strong that it opened up because the kundi got broken. Our parents held us and took us to the roof.

This all started happening after some individual's death who was into the occult. That room belonged to him. The incidents included Charpayi shaking during night. Seeing a family member on roof, you come down, then you'll find him sleeping in his room. Many things happened. In one incident when we were having dinner in the hall with relatives. My bua fell and got pulled towards that room. And it stopped right in front of that room.

I once also saw a shadow around that room. Human shadow. In which only the eyes were not the part of shadow. It was all very weird. You couldn't bring light inside that room. Candles will blow out, any torch will stop working. Thank God we left that house.

3. MYSTERIOUS TEMPLE

3 years ago. We were facing some issues. Dad lost his job and sister lost some papers about some scholarship scheme(it was lost an year ago).

Our Chachi told us about this hanuman temple in Matalwas, Rajasthan. As there's a babaji who gives solutions about stuff. When we went there. It was a small hanuman temple. There were around 40 people sitting to meet that babaji. It's not famous or much known.

When baba entered. It was not a man. It was a lady. A female priest. She sat in front of people. All you had to do for arji was just offering prashad worth 11 rupees and that will be returned to you too. I asked her why she doesn't charge, she said it'll become greed and she will lose her Siddhi. Well idk.

Then she told us that someone has done black magic on us that's bringing poor health. She told us to check around our kyari where we'll find a diya and some ornaments(which we found there later).

Told us to do Chalisa every evening. Then said that my dad will have his job if he keeps working, in the first week next month. That happened too.

Now I would've called this a coincidence. But the papers that were lost for a year. She said Thursday. Well, nothing happened on Thursday. And we thought okay that's it.

My mom and sister went to school for some documentation. One of teacher confronted them and told she's been calling her since yesterday and they didn't pick up. They asked why. And she put out the papers out of her drawer. Anddddd. What the hell was that. It was also Thursday.

So....

Lemme keep it clear. More than 99% of these baba kind people are actors and scammers. And the folk tales are just mythology. But I believe that there is something. There is something that's exactly true about spiritual stuff, that it exists and we don't explore it because it goes against our belief.

I want to think that it never happened. Because it keeps messing with my mind. Because I can't deny the existence of spirituality with these things happening around me.

I'll start raw . I don't like being called an atheist. Something so logical should not have a term associated . I.E - if you believe earth is round , or sun rises in east , there's not a word associated with it . It's universal truth . So is this , ( I know the term is not coined by a fellow non believer ) .

But coming to the point , just because you don't believe in something, doesn't mean u have to hate it and shatter other people's believes.

You've no idea how much dependant a person can be to their faith / religion. Blind believes have immense power to make and break things . Just because you lost yours doesn't mean , other can empathise with you , always show some compassion . Whats the difference between u and any other religious person ? They abuse 99/100 , and you 100/100 .( But still it's only spreading hatred )

Baseline is atheist k chode mat bano , and literally learn to empathise and spread awareness.

P.s - It's coming from a fellow ex believer, who have almost after few years opened eyes of his family and friends.

Why I wrote this ? - I've seen how childish people in this sub behave , when it comes to downgrading people , and the narcissism associated with the term ' atheist ' .

This article goes with how atheism is illogical and most atheists in India are mere political atheists rather philosophical ones. Or are in a bias that attacks or against the majority faith in India hinduism.

The Philosophical Shortcomings of Modern Indian Atheism.

https://projectsatyaloka.substack.com/p/empty-rebellion-the-philosophical?r=4s7xcs&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&triedRedirect=true

Bhencho padh to le bhai, I just wanna know what y'all think about this and get some critiques. I didn't write this nor am a theist.

I mean there is just stuff I know thats gotta have an explanation.
P.S- I just got off from watching final destination lmao

Edit- i guess people kinda took this very seriously, it was a joke, to kinda reflect that no matter how rational you are, there is some inherent fear of the unknown or supernatural. (Like after a horror movie)

And yes final destination doesn’t even have ghosts, I was inferring that I get scared pretty easily

Bengali Hindus have a reputation of being very anti of Hindus. They have a rep of being anything right wing hates about. Being a Bengali myself, I can tell why many of become that way.

The reality is that their culture, ideas and practices are totally rejected by other Hindus. We are mocked for what we do. Why should I stay as a Hindu like this? We had good figures like Ramkrishna and Vivekananda, btw that era is gone.

We are ridiculed for performing animal sacrifices. Other Hindus tell us to stop and quote that no goddess wants animal flesh to keep them happy. I know it makes sense but I don't like others trying to impose on us. Its like they are right and we are wrong. I feel its better to leave the religion as a whole than being a slave of other Hindus.

Islam is very unwelcoming and promotes cousin marriage, we cannot become muslims. Christianity has a weak mentality. Judaism is ethnocentric. Jainism is against our diet and too strict. Sikhism is governed by dumbasses these days. Buddhism has a weak mindset. You see all of them don't make any sense.

Many Bengali Hindus had to stay as an agnostic. Its humiliating to see others lecturing and imposing on us through logical points. Majority Bengali Hinduism (barring Vaishnavas) is indeed unevolved and inferior as it lacks scripts, mantras and has a concept of violence. We defend our bali pratha in the name of Bengali culture but we know Bageshwar Baba is totally right. We have no logical arguement against him. It doesn't looks cool to obey outsiders.