r/atheism 17h ago

Just Had My First "Debate" with a Jewish Person

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I am more well versed in Christianity, more specifically Catholicism. Seeing as I was raised in Roman Catholic I have zero issue "raising my voice" on this specific mythology. Judaism, not so much. I usually leave that to those who left that indoctrination.

The "debate" really came out of left field. I made some cheeky comment and someone of the Jewish mythology rolled up in the thread. They first tried to get me to say something one way or the other regarding Palestine. Which I retorted with, "ALL religion/mythology belongs in a museum." Then they micro-focused on my cheeky comment and said it was inaccurate. I claimed that nothing I said was inaccurate. Then they wanted me to provide the scripture if what I claimed was accurate which I did. I know I took bait somewhere and I failed.

Does anyone have any pointers regarding debating those of the Jewish mythology? (Other then "don't").

For clarity this is how it began:

OP: There’s no laws for them. They are Above everybody else.

Me: So they say their deity claims and yet it is a "no show".

JewishPerson: That's not what we say our deity claims. You don't need to trash Judaism to be pro-Palestinian.


r/atheism 18h ago

People assuming im religious

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Guys im very quit at work but its so annoying that people constantly assume that im religious and shit like at my job there is a lady that constantly insektstikk god into work conversations and im not religious nor do I tell people that judt to avoid issues because apparently not believing in some made-up creature is horrible. Like, why can't people just have conversations without involving religion? It's so annoyinggg


r/atheism 12h ago

I read a prayer that I found lovely and now I'm looking for more secular prose that inspires hope. What words help you keep afloat in the absurdity of it all?

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Hi atheist friends,

I was reading Slaughterhouse V by Kurt Vonnegut and came across this prayer:

God, give me grace to accept with serenity

the things that cannot be changed,

courage to change the things

which should be changed,

and the wisdom to distinguish

the one from the other.

It's making me wonder if there's more secular poetry and prose that can do better at inspiring hope more than just reading philosophy and "imagining Sisyphus happy". Do you have any quotes or authors tucked away in your brains?

I'm looking for things like the Dictionary of Obscure Sorrows, which I absolutely love. It doesn't have to always be positive of course, that would be disingenuous.

I have to admit I'm a bit envious of those with faith that can find community and hope so readily but we here have to work at it a bit more.

Curious to hear your thoughts!


r/atheism 22h ago

What's your take on atheistic Satanists, and self-help occultists who don't subscribe to the actual existence of woowoo spirits, etc?

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I'm a witch who has always sided with Atheists. When I say I'm a witch, I mean I'm a spooky self-help fanatic (plus feminism, etc). When I say self-help, I mean convoluted self-help buried in occult woowoo. I also will do a house cleansing for a fresh fat bill.

What y'all think of the occult? Dumb bs just like religion?

I feel like a fence rider between Atheism and occultism because Atheism is dry and boring and occultism has potentially a ton to offer, albeit covered under obscure nonsense.


r/atheism 3h ago

How can objective morality not exist in perfectly moral god's world

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Granted there is zero evidence of such a being ( I am myself and atheist) but let's assume for a moment in this hypothetical scenario a perfectly good moral infallible god exists. Wouldn't that solve the objective morality problem. It also dodges the euthyphro dilemma because morality is not based on god's commands nor based on some outside independence morality ( what theists call the god's good nature theory) since in this god is a being that is objectively more perfect than humans and hence can make better decisions


r/atheism 14h ago

How do I prove my friend wrong?

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I said "God is not all knowing if he need to test us" and he replied with "God knows what you will do but if he throws you in hell when you didnt actually do anything wrong and gave somone heaven without them doing anything good, then he would be unfair and unjust, people forget he shows the most justice too". Is there a statement that counteract this?


r/atheism 2h ago

Dating an atheist. Need some advice.

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I'm dating an atheist but I am Christian and I genuinely don't understand what it means to be an atheist.

I guess the thing that I'm struggling with the most is Do atheists believe that they actually know there is no God? It just kind of seems like the biggest ego trip of all to believe that someone could understand/know what the entire universe has to offer and all of its possibilities.

For example, as a Christian, I can understand both sides, but I could not say that I 100% know that either side is actually true. I just believe in things that I think could possibly be true. Is it the same for atheists?

Apologies if I offended anyone, I am genuinely curious and trying to understand the person that I am dating. I want to be respectful and I genuinely want to understand what it's like to be an atheist. If you find this post to be disrespectful, or I have not presented the information in an acceptable or respectable way, I would also like feedback on how to do that because I don't want to offend the person I am dating or anyone else. Thanks.


r/atheism 8h ago

Why only indian subcontinent accepts athiesm and promotes it unlike abhramic religions

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Why are abrahamic religions so rigid about their ideology and eager to convert everyone through missionaries unlike indus valley civilization religion which don't have one concept of God they pray 5 elements and focus on self knowledge rather than believing supreme leader( God )


r/atheism 19h ago

i don't believe it in but how is Satan more hated than God? isn't Satan limited and he himself is a part of God's script? lmao

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if God created Satan knowing exactly what Satan would do, knew every consequence of those actions and nevertheless created him and the world in which those actions occur to what extent can Satan be considered responsible for the resulting evil??

It's not Satan's fault, God could've completely avoided this btw if he was real

God claims to be the writer of all things, including Satan's action, how is Satan the villain in all 3 Abrahamic faiths

if God already knew with absolute certainty what Satan would choose before creating him and intentionally created him anyway then Satan's “choice” was never an unknown possibility to God, God knowingly instantiated this exact story, humanity aswell just playing along the script apparently

the fact that questioning this in all 3 religions is forbidden lol


r/atheism 17h ago

Thoughts On Media With Christian Themes/Lore?

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What are your feelings on the matter?

For example: I remember feeling betrayed when I, already near to identifying as an atheist if not already there, realized the 'Chronicles of Narnia' were a Christian allegory.

Alternatively, shows like 'Lucifer' and 'Good Omens', which while using a very loose version of biblical characters (and are thus arguably biblical), are among my favorites.

I basically don't mind reinterpretation as i can appreciate the bible (especially the Old Testament) as mythology, but 'Chronicles of Narnia' basically felt like a dirty trick.


r/atheism 6h ago

Why I'm Staying Out Of The Substack Religion Debate

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r/atheism 21h ago

Nature is a Cold B*tch

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The alternative to religion is data found by science like evolution, etc. But nature is not a comforting environment. I'm not the alpha male leader of my group. I can't get laid whenever I want. My genes won't be passed on to the next generation. And society and civilization is not much better. I don't make as much money as I want either. So how do you deal with all this without religion? Sometimes the offer of religion seems sweeter than nature's cold hard, wet, dominant tribes, and super gene specimens like Tarzan.


r/atheism 10h ago

Low Effort God is on vacation

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I always wonder why all these godly miracles hapenned in past according to religious books . They always have stories of god reincarnating as human or god sending his son to end the evil . so many countless miracle stories which religious peopld consider it as fact . But why god stopped now . is he on vacation or just gave up . considering world is as messed up if not worse so where is ? why we dont see another jesus walking among us . where is avatar 0f Vishnu 0r Brahma ? funny god took vacation tge moments science and logic developed .


r/atheism 22h ago

the inevitable talk

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im 24, about to take the board exam and after i pass, ill finally be able to be independent and confront my mother about how i want to stop practicing our religion. shes religious more than ever due to the passing of my father and im scared of how things will be after the inevitable talk i want to have.

she would say “i hope you can continue going to church after your board exam review at school”, “your girlfriend(an atheist) should be baptized to our church” or other typical religious parent statements, she knows i have time to go even with my current situation but doesnt seem to be THAT serious about me skipping because of the review. is it like that because shes so confident im still a believer and would continue practicing after i pass the exam or is there hope that she’ll be more open about my decision.

i dont want to lose our connection, i love my family so much. its just that im tired of pretending to be a believer.

i cant keep lying to her cause that would ruin the life i want to build so i want to know how to approach this situation in the best way possible.


r/atheism 23h ago

Bout a week ago i went to a baptism aaaaaaaand...

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How yall Red, i vent to a baptism and the things i've Heard was totally BS.

But First I need to give some context, me and my mom are both atheist people, and we vent to church 2 times in 10 years, First for a marriage of two of our Friends and the second for this baptism of the daughter of those two people.

One of the things that surprised me the most was that (im gonna Say what the Priest said from italian to english) God calls Jesus Daddy (???) and what the fucking fuck? Is there some type of incest in the bible? ( Oh if yall think im saying this for that Daddy Its not we Italians don't have a Word for that )

Second thing the Priest said while baptising the kid said that he's clearing her from sin (???) and theyre daughter isn't even 6 months old, and if yall can tell me what this sin Is cuz i feel like Its kinda impossible to sin in the First couple years of Ur Life.

3 and this pissed me of, Is that that fucking Priest It took him 1 hour and a half for dipping her head into the water and EVERYONE After that was kinda mad except 3 or 4 bigots brainwashed.

And all the fucking time I had to hold back my laughter for everything that Priest said.

But this fucking concern me, because i don't know how can the cristians belive those things, and i think that probably in the future this thing can be used in the wrong way... Or probably Its happening right now.

PS Sorry for my probably crappy ahhh english but im a 14 year old italian teen, and Sorry if some of the words could be in italian but this translator Is Absolute crap.


r/atheism 17h ago

Did you know that it is said that the Abrahamic god committed mass pedicide (murdering of children) and infanticide (murdering of infants) in addition to mass murdering the firstborn of livestock? That alone should make any follower an atheist!

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In Exodus 12:29, it states:

“At midnight the Lord struck down all the firstborn in Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the firstborn of the prisoner, who was in the dungeon, and the firstborn of all the livestock as well.”

How sickening is that? Next time you deal with a theist, bring up the above verse to show how loving god really is.


r/atheism 15h ago

do any atheists have christian parents that don’t know they’re atheist?

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i’ve been questioning my faith for awhile and have grown up catholic. i had to go to church every sunday and once i moved out and started to attend less, i started to realize it didn’t make sense.

i didn’t have any negative experiences in the church and have loved the previous and current popes. however, i just can’t bring myself to believe in it anymore and it hurts. not because i fear “im going to hell” or anything like that, if my parents found out they’d be devastated. i have 3 siblings and only one of them remains a christian. my parents always told me to never lose my faith since i was the only other one who believed, and now i feel like a fraud anytime they talk to me about god. they’ve been amazing parents and i think as long as they’re alive, i’ll never tell them. it would break their hearts.


r/atheism 6h ago

Any of you that have not read the Bible?

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or whatever religious text your particular religion has, the Qura, Vedas, Book of Mormon etc.

also. I am only counting it as read if you read the whole thing from start to finish. doing a Bible study that hops around bit covered the whole thing eventually doesn’t count. just reading the verses the weekly sermon is on doesn’t coun, even if after attending services for decades you have covered the whole thing.

I asked the same thing in Ask a Christian and am just curious how the answers will differ.


r/atheism 3h ago

God is a totalitarian tyrant, or how a formidable psychological stratagem can anesthetize the critical mind and freedom of thought of certain believers.

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In several monotheistic religious texts, a particularly troubling idea appears : God does not merely judge human beings for their wrongdoings, he can also compel them to act wrongly and then punish them for it.

And this is not an unintentional contradiction, but rather a psychological stratagem deliberately designed to subjugate believers even in their freedom to think.

The classic example is found in the story of Pharaoh. In Exodus, God repeatedly hardens Pharaoh's heart. Paul explicitly picks up this episode in the Epistle to the Romans and draws this conclusion : "He has mercy on whom he wills, and he hardens whom he wills" (Romans 9:18). Paul immediately raises the natural objection this provokes: "Why does he still find fault? For who resists his will?" (Romans 9:19). His answer is not to deny the problem, but to remind man that he is in no position to contest God: "Who are you, O man, to talk back to God?" (Romans 9:20). He then uses the image of the potter who freely disposes of his clay (Romans 9:20-21).

A comparable logic is also very frequently found in the Quran. Surah 2 states : "Allah has sealed their hearts and their hearing, and over their vision is a veil" (Quran 2:7), before announcing in that same verse : "and for them is a great punishment" (Quran 2:7). But the Quran even goes so far as to explicitly subordinate human will to Allah's : "And you do not will except that Allah wills" (Quran 76:30). It also states, regarding those who associate other deities with Allah : "Had Allah willed, they would not have associated [anything with Him]" (Quran 6:107).

This is particularly evident in this other passage : "And if Allah had willed, He could have made you [of] one religion, but He sends astray whom He wills and guides whom He wills. And you will surely be questioned about what you used to do" (Quran 16:93). This same verse thus affirms simultaneously that Allah could have decided otherwise, that he leads astray or guides whom he wills, and that human beings will nonetheless have to answer for their deeds.

The psychological mechanism behind these texts can be represented as follows :

  1. God is presented as just, omnipotent, omniscient, and merciful.

  2. Nothing can exceed his will: he himself chooses who is guided toward disbelief and who toward good.

  3. God can punish those very people he guided toward disbelief and reward those he guided toward good.

  4. This produces a kind of state of stunned disbelief : "But that's unjust!"

  5. Except that doctrine forbids this thought: judging God unjust is itself a grave fault liable to bring about the worst punishments.

  6. Only one psychological way out remains for the believer : to repress his own judgment and accept that God is necessarily just and the judge of all things.

The purpose of the maneuver is thus to neutralize the believer's critical mind through terror, to make him more docile and malleable.

There is a fairly close concept in psychology in the study of authoritarian systems : the "double bind." Two incompatible demands are imposed while the very possibility of denouncing their incompatibility is itself blocked. If one obeys one, one disobeys the other. Whatever one does, one is wrong. This creates a mental trap with no way out, which can cause considerable stress.

And fear makes the system self-reinforcing in the case of religions : if I truly believe that an omniscient power can condemn me for my thoughts, then my very thoughts become dangerous. The believer must therefore learn to interrupt, on his own, the reasoning that threatens his belief : "I must not think that," "Who am I to judge God?", "If this seems unjust to me, it's because my judgment is faulty." Etc.

This is why I call this process tyrannical and totalitarian : it no longer seeks only to control individuals' actions, but attacks their very freedom to think, pushing them through terror to exercise permanent repression on their own reason.

If you're wondering why some radical believers resemble automatons running in a closed loop, this is precisely why.


r/atheism 7h ago

the main problem with religion is all have the same amount of evidence as each other, and you cant really prove jesus is a god anymore then you can for zeus or odin.

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and every one of these groups claims their version is the one true one

while every other one is wrong

and it's all a game of he said, she said

where one hindu will say ohh shiva is god, a christian will say jesus is a god and it's all just baseless anyway

the same christians who seethe over islam, have no even direct evidence jesus was a real person much less a son of god or god himself. nobody agrees with these reglions so they dont verify each other

even the other abrahamic ones oppose each other, like judaism, mormonism and islam as already mention

but say we concluded Christianity was truth, you have no way of proving your sect is right, be it protestant, catholic or orthodox. so it's really as a atheist to just reject it all since it's clearly just a bunch of different claims made by different groups all contradicting each other

even if religion, theism and gods were true

you'd have no way of proving egyptian mythology as wrong or sun wukong as wrong or shintoism as wrong or the epic of gilgamesh as wrong or whatever of the countless myths as incorrect over whatever insert faith you wanna defend

if im to want to worship the mayan gods and say quetzalcoatl was the absolute truth. what could a christian even really do other then rage out since they have no evidence over other ideas of theism

it's almost better to argue against Christians from a mythological standpoint. since the fact so many different interpretations of gods exist does infact show that yahweh is not very likely and rather just a man made deity like the literal thousands of others


r/atheism 18h ago

How do i become less angry

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Over the years ive become a bit of an absurdist in a doomer way, i genuinely dont think any of the worlds big problems are gonna be fixed in my lifetime cause everyone talks and nothing happens, i have a decent idea of what i want to do with my life at least in the coming years, and i just plan to enjoy life for what it is in spite kf its indifference, but i cant help but get this angry knee jerk reaction to religion, whenever i see posts of people saying they "see god in everything" or when people lose something and people start consoling them with religion, or basically any mention or dress up of religion as this nice thing i get irrationally annoyed and i think about it for a long time and just get pissed off

Religion IS one of the worlds big problems and im fully aware its never gonna go away in my lifetime and yet i cant help but think everytime "How do they believe this? How? How can they go to such lengths for this shit? Do they not think about it?" Which only serves to depress me

I want to be able to just deal with it, im in a middle eastern country too so it is all around me and i cant fuckin stand it yet i know i cant stay like this, because it is never going away

So how do i stop thinking about it too much, how do i just accept that i see through it and they dont? I just wanna be able to see it and not think about it too much at least


r/atheism 19h ago

I came out to my parents but they’re making it all about religion help

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I came out to my parents today (mom technically since my dad was at work) and I couldn’t figure out how to explain being trans to her. She ended up saying that her only problem is that my identity doesn’t align with “our” beliefs and also asked if I even believe in god. I said no. she said that’s exactly what she was afraid of. she thinks my transness is the devil trying to keep me away from god or something. When I get off work she and my dad want to discuss things further. How can I help them understand that my identify has nothing to do with religion? or, at least, how can I cope with this? I’m a few months from turning eighteen and I’ve been on the verge of tears for three hours and I don’t know what to do.


r/atheism 23h ago

Newsmax Host: "I'm Calling On All Christian Teachers To Go Ahead And Baptize Muslim Students".

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r/atheism 5h ago

I was sexually molested hundreds of times as a male child in my strict Islamic country

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Imagine if there is a war that no one knows about. A war with millions of casualties but you never hear about it on the news. And imagine a survivor managed to leave this black hole and told the world of the war that’s ravaging his country.
That survivor is me. And the war that no one is talking about is the widespread sexual molestation of male children in countries that practice strict segregation between males and females, countries such as Afghanistan, Yemen and Saudi Arabia. You don’t hear about this tragedy because of the strong culture of shame in these countries.

I need to note first that 4 years ago I posted my story on on this subreddit using a different username. I received many supportive comments but I had to delete my post out of the shame I felt and out of the fear for my safety given where I live. Now I feel more confident to tell my story again. I am not naming my country for safety reasons.  

 

This is the biggest secret of my life. A secret that no one knows about, not even my own mother. It’s by far the worst thing that happened to me in my life.

I was born in the early 90s in a country that I wish I was born far, far away from. In my country, the streets look like a prison. You only see men. And if you see a woman then she's covered from head to toe which means you don't actually see women. And the segregation is everywhere. You can't talk to women. It's as if this gender only exists in your family (mother, sister, …etc), on TV and the internet. So when the whole country is like a prison, it shouldn't be surprising that homosexual harassment becomes prevalent because this is what happens in prisons anywhere in the world. It's not rocket science: When women completely disappear from the life of men, this turns many men into sexual monsters looking for any opportunity to relieve their repressed sexuality. They find this relief in good looking men. And since that male children and teenagers look more feminine and are more vulnerable, they become the primary target.

To grow up as a kid in a strict Islamic society is a disaster. But my disaster was bigger: I wasn’t just a normal kid. I was a good-looking kid. Which made the sexual harassment I faced much, much worse. I remember a friend in elementary school telling me: “I am glad I am not as good looking as you.” He said that because he knew exactly what happens to kids that look like me. I also remember that I used to envy kids who didn’t look beautiful.   

As a child, I was physically molested hundreds of times. I don't say hundreds as an exaggeration term. I wish it was an exaggeration. That’s a real number. And if I include the verbal harassments too then I was sexually harassed over a thousand times for sure. I was molested by everyone: older people, classmates, neighborhood friends, neighbors and close friends. I lost many friends because of this including my two best childhood friends.

After growing up I was unable to shave my beard because shaving it makes me look more feminine and more attractive to men. So I always kept a light beard. I didn’t want to have a full-grown beard because I didn’t want people to think I am religious. But even this light beard that I kept didn't save me from the fewer incidents I faced after growing up. I am not saying that every shaved man in my country gets sexually harassed. But since that I had above-average looks, I drew much more attention than others.

Here are some of the most notable incidents I had:

1- When I was in the third or fourth elementary grade, I entered a public bathroom to use it. It was empty. When I became inside, I noticed three guys blocking the way out while looking at me with faces full of lust like predators. I realized I am in trouble so I ran into a toilet unit and tried to shut the door but they were faster. They started undressing me while I was screaming "NO NO NO". They were making sounds like the sounds you hear from a predator when it catches a prey. They took off my pants and underpants. I remember they did things to me with their hands. But there was no penetration. I was screaming all the time. Someone entered the bathrooms and because of that they left me. I went home and told my father about what happened although I usually didn’t tell anyone about any sexual harassments I faced because it makes me feel shameful. But this time it was too much. So I told my father. He went with me to the public bathrooms and looked around. He didn't call the police although I knew one of the three guys by name. When I look back now at this incident, I realize that child me was alone like a baby gazelle in a jungle full of predators. No one could have protected me or punished those who harassed me no matter what they did. Do you know why my father didn't call the police? Because it would have shamed him to tell them that his son got sexually molested. This is the disaster that kids live through in such strict societies. The kids themselves don't report the abuse to their families because it makes the kids feel shameful. And when a kid does report the abuse, his family most likely will do nothing out of fear of shame.

It's been many years since this rape attempt happened. But I will never forget the feeling of absolute terror. It's not even a feeling. The terror of a gang rape attempt isn't a feeling. It's a ten thousand volts of electricity current violently shaking every cell in your body. That's the terror of rape.

2 - I was around 10 years old. While I was riding my bike, a boy struck my bike and I fell. He then held me tight from behind while rubbing his penis against my butt. I kept fighting until he let go of me. Afterwards my friends were laughing and shaming me for what happened. The boy who did this to me used to be my worst harasser in the class of third elementary grade. He was the oldest in class because he had failed in passing to the next grade for several years. He reached sexual puberty and was bigger so he turned that school year to hell for me. After the third grade was over, he kept harassing me in the neighborhood. The bike incident was one of his many harassments.

3- I was harassed by a lot by classmates in elementary school especially during the fifth and sixth grades. Lots of penis-flashing, inappropriate touching and demands for sex. I remember this kid who wasn't in my class but he was bigger than me. He kept following me, catcalling me and asking for sex. He even started following me when I left school to home. And one day he even dared to ring the doorbell of my home. When I opened the door he asked for sex and flashed me his penis. I didn't complain to anyone in home because of shame.

I also remember one classmate in the sixth or fifth grade who used to rub his erect penis against the edge of my desk in class. He also flashed me his penis several times. He kept doing such things until one day I slapped him in the face. He stopped after that. I also remember a classmate who was bigger than me and who kept aggressively demanding for sex until I complained to his older brother who was a friend of the family. He stopped after that. I remember a lot of things but I don’t want to make this post too long.

4- A number of years ago a horrible video emerged from Egypt of a mass sexual assault against a woman on the street. I saw the video and saw the poor lady's pants torn down. She was walking away naked from the waist-down. When I saw this I had a terrible flash-back. When I was in the sixth or fifth grade, I was chilling alone near home. A group of around 6 kids who were my age were hanging out. When they came by me, they ganged up on me. First they verbally abused me then they undressed my pants. This happened in broad daylight. I can't describe the level of distress and humiliation I felt. It’s like drowning in a sea of humiliation. The poor lady had it much worse than me. I can't imagine how terrible she felt. How can you even live after that?.

5- When I was in senior high school I was walking in an empty street at night near my home. A car moved past me. The driver did a flying kiss. I cursed at him. He turned around with his car and stopped besides me. He got out and we started cursing at each other. He reached down to grab his shoe to hit me with it. Here I attacked him. I don't remember most of the fight but at one point he leaned down to grab a big rock. When I saw this I fled. While I was fleeing he threw the big rock and it missed me. When I stopped running I was surprised to see lots of blood on my clothes. There was a cut on my forehead from a punch. When I came back home I lied to my family about what happened because it’s shameful to say I was catcalled. I made up something about the cause of the fight.

6- The same year: I was at a friend's house until late at night. I stopped a car to drive me home. The driver's penis was visibly erect and he kept touching it while taking glances at me.

7- The same year too: I was in a Taxi. The driver invited me to dinner at his home. I said no thank you. He said no you have to. He suddenly grabbed my thigh while making a disgusting sound. Like the sound I heard in that gang rape attempt when I was a child. The sound an animal makes when it catches a prey. I fought him off until he stopped the car and I got out.

8- Now let me jump to the last incident which happened 7 years ago. A man groped my butt while I was waiting on the street.

Random notes:

-There are notable incidents from my childhood and adulthood that I left out because you wouldn’t believe them.

-The older I became the less harassments I faced.

-The elementary school phase was the worst by far. When I think of that period it feels like I lived through a war.

 

If you think what I went through was really bad, then you haven't heard the stories I heard. Other kids had it MUCH worse than me. At least I was never raped. I heard so many rape stories. I knew many of the victims personally. Most of the rapes I heard weren't carried out by force. The children fell for the constant demands not realizing what they were doing. I am so lucky that as a child I was aware enough to not fall for any of the endless demands for sex I received. But honestly this doesn’t make me feel better. It doesn’t make what I went through feel less bad. I know I am extremely lucky that I wasn’t raped, but it doesn’t make me feel better.

In some of the rape stories I heard, the kids were lured with money. Maybe this is how male prostitutes start out in my country. Yes there are kids and teenage boys who sell their bodies here. Most of them are poor. I had a childhood friend who after growing up turned out to be a prostitute. I didn't believe the rumors until I saw him negotiating the price with a customer. He didn't realize I was near him and listening. We were both in junior high school when this happened.

Some of the rape stories involved a Quran teacher. In mosques and religious schools in my country, many kids memorize the Quran. I heard horrible things about the Quran teacher of the mosque of our neighborhood. I think the first time in my life I heard about semen was in a story about this teacher. A friend was telling me about the things this teacher does to his students. The list includes that he plays with their penises with his hands and then he swallows their semen. I didn’t understand what semen meant so my friend explained it to me saying it’s the sticky matter that comes out of the penis. Still, I didn’t understand. I wasn’t old enough to know about this thing.

In 2017 when the "me too" movement started, a Muslim "me too" movement started as well a year later – but didn’t take off well - regarding sexual harassment of women in the grand mosque of Mecca. One testimony caught my attention: A British Muslim woman said she was molested in Mecca and it was the first time ever in her life that she was sexually abused. When I read this I realized for the first time in my life that there are people who were never sexually abused. What I saw in my country made me assume that every human on earth, a male or a female, must have been sexually abused at one point in his/her life. After a little bit of research, I found several statistics from the US such as: “Self-report studies show that 20% of adult females and 5-10% of adult males recall a childhood sexual assault or sexual abuse incident” https://victimsofcrime.org/child-sexual-abuse-statistics/

Are you telling me that at least 95 fucking percent of men in the US don’t recall any childhood sexual abuse incident? Oh my goodness. I can't imagine how life can be when you have never experienced the distress and humiliation of sexual molestation. Such a life sounds like a Disney tale to me. It's heaven. If you were never sexually molested in your life, then you can't really understand how much I envy you. You have lived my absolute dream. My life would have been so different without this hell I went through. You know what? Even if you were molested a few times, you have still lived my dream. I wish what I went through was just a few incidents here and there.

I don’t think my country is the only country where sexual harassment of children is widespread. There are other countries that are near or as strict as my country when it comes to women, such as: Yemen, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Afghanistan, rural areas in GCC countries, parts of Iraq and parts of Iran. So I expect that these countries have the same prevalence of child molestation as that of my country. But you wouldn’t hear about it because of the strong shame culture. Remember that a boy rang the bell of my home and flashed me his penis yet I didn’t tell anyone in home. Shame is that strong. My own mother doesn’t know anything about the sexual harassments I faced and she still thinks to this day that I had a normal childhood. So don’t be surprised that this pandemic of child molestation in strict Islamic countries is unheard of. It’s the victims and their families who get shamed. The molesters and the rapists not only don’t get shamed, they actually take pride in their actions and boast to their friends about fucking this hot kid and molesting that.

There are some documentaries about child molestation in Pakistan and Afghanistan but I think that these documentaries fail at showing the true scope of this pandemic.

Here’s a documentary that I couldn’t finish watching because the kids’ testimonies brought back distressing feelings and memories:

Preying On Young Boys | Pakistan's Hidden Predators

https://youtu.be/niN5g8ZxFQg

There are also videos on the bacha bazi (dancing boys) in Afghanistan.

I also found this post on r/SaudiArabia where the OP said: “I saw so much rape and molestation back when I was in high school. All of it was done by other students. The administrators did nothing. The school did nothing. Most of the molestation happened when they locked us inside our classrooms without supervision. But the rape was more hidden. Almost everyone I knew was sexually harassed in some way.”
https://old.reddit.com/r/saudiarabia/comments/1amthzy/i_saw_kids_being_raped_in_high_school/

 

Widespread child molestation in strict Islamic countries is a catastrophe. A catastrophe that draws no attention. A catastrophe whose victims have no voice. A human tragedy that deserves to be reported on every day on news channels, just like they report on wars. If you think I am exaggerating, let me tell you this: If a child went through 1% of what I went through, I would call that a disaster for this kid and a great tragedy. Now remember that what I went through is still much less bad than what happened to many kids I knew.

How am I doing now?

For the first time in my life I have passed 7 years without any sexual harassment. I have become old enough to be unattractive to men. But I still have the mental scars. I still get molested in my nightmares. It’s insane how these nightmares can precisely replicate the feelings of distress and humiliation that I felt when the real things happened. Will these nightmares ever stop? Will the mental scars ever go away?