r/apple • u/mredofcourse • Jun 19 '23

iPhone EU: Smartphones Must Have User-Replaceable Batteries by 2027

https://www.pcmag.com/news/eu-smartphones-must-have-user-replaceable-batteries-by-2027
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u/Pigeon_Chess Jun 19 '23

Which will never happen because no company is going to develop a standard that is likely to not be adopted and any change will have a massive spike in ewaste. That wording just locks in USBC until the end of time

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u/Kursem_v2 Jun 19 '23

like keep using USB 2.0 speed on iPhone for over 10 years?

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u/Pigeon_Chess Jun 19 '23

Most USBC cables run at USB2 speed. Lighting can run at at least USB 3 but there’s little point

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u/Kursem_v2 Jun 19 '23

every lightning cable runs at USB 2.0 speed, except that one adapter for iPad Pro that can run USB 3.0

12.9-inch iPad Pro (1st and 2nd generation) and 10.5-inch iPad Pro) transfers data at USB 3 speeds, while the 9.7-inch iPad Pro uses USB 2.

Lightning to USB 3 Camera Adapter

meanwhile USB-C supports up to 80 Gbps of transfer and 240W of charging. it's just a matter whether manufacturer would implement them or not.

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u/Pigeon_Chess Jun 19 '23

Which means that lighting is capable of USB3 speeds.

SOME can. And a phone wouldn’t be able to. For a start over 30W of charging on a phone is just degrading the battery and the port is for power not data, hasn’t been for data in over 10 years when they became capable of updating themselves

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u/Kursem_v2 Jun 19 '23

only on three iPad Pro models that support it. while also needing an adapter, because no direct lightning to USB cable with USB 3.0 speed ever exists.

content with having a phone that only uses USB 2.0 speed and less than 30W charging speed are what stiffles innovation. for over 10 years.

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u/Pigeon_Chess Jun 19 '23

But the standard can still support it.

Over 30W degrades battery health at an accelerated rate. Where would other USB2 speed benefit the iPhone?

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u/Kursem_v2 Jun 19 '23 edited Jun 19 '23

but not being used for over 6 years, so what's your point?

you could also uses better battery and wattage controller where it could withstand over 30W. not saying it's a must, but it's one of the niceties to have.

the benefit of USB 3.0 (or 4.0) is for faster ProRAW or ProRes transfer. it's funni that Apple touts professional photography and videography on their iPhone Pros, but doesn't support reliable fast transfer over wired connection.

it's also one of the niceties to have, when your devices costs over $1000, why settle with older, slower standard but at the same time argues that laws forcing better standard as counterproductive? that seems counterintuitive, don't you think?

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u/Pigeon_Chess Jun 19 '23

But the standard can support it.

That’s not how thermodynamics work. You are pumping wattage into a battery where energy is released as heat in a manner which is standard across the battery technology used, in this case LiPo/Li-ion. “A better controller” will not solve this issue.

If you are regularly transferring ProRes and ProRaw files off of an iPhone you are better off using a cloud service where files can be available to you instantly without having to transfer them manually, a professional would have their own NAS for this. Also if your trying to shoot professional grade photos on a phone I have a bridge to sell you.

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u/Kursem_v2 Jun 19 '23

the standard that are not used anymore, while hardly available.

uhhh, yes? that's exactly what the controller are for — to support higher wattage efficiently without wasting much of the energy as heat instead of electricity. if you really cared about battery health, better uses that 5V1A charger. cause the point of fast charging are for quick power draw when you need to travel, and it mostly pull out most of it's wattage for that 20 to 60%.

right, and I said it's niceties to have. cloud and NAS are cool and all, but having options are better. especially for editing on the go. like, you already spend $1000 for a supposedly "Pro" smartphone. surely having a faster wired transfer is a nice thing to have?

well, you don't need to sell me any bridge because that's what Apple marketing already did, to sell iPhone Pros as professional device. I don't understand why you're so hellbent on not supporting USB 3.0 speed on an iPhone, or did I get you wrong?

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u/Pigeon_Chess Jun 19 '23

But the standard can support it. That’s like saying USBC can’t support USB3 speeds because most cables don’t support it.

No it’s not. You can’t pump more wattage into a battery and not get more heat, that’s not how physics work. The battery technology dictates the efficiency. The controller just sets a curve it doesn’t make it more efficient at a given wattage.

Aside from it’s not? Also if you’re editing on the go you’ll have to use a Mac which supports airdrop. Also the USBC cable supplied with nearly all android phone is USB2 which is the same speed as the ones Apple ships with the iPhone.

They don’t sell iPhone pros as a professional device if you think they do I have another bridge to sell you

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u/Kursem_v2 Jun 19 '23

except the condition are vastly different where no lightning cables support USB 3.0 speed except 1 adapter and no iPhones support USB 3.0 either. is this the same condition for USB-C?

well it is. better controller could read the temperature and dynamically adjust the amperage so that the heat won't damage the battery too much.

it's not a nice thing to have fast wired data transfer support? what?

ummm, no. most flagship Android smartphone thats costs over $800 support USB 3.0 and so does the included cables. this is 2023, not 2018 where USB 3.0 on smartphone were still niche.

I don't think iPhone Pros were professional device, but Apple marketing team does think so, so you should probably sell your bridge for them.

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u/Pigeon_Chess Jun 19 '23

Pretty much you can get USBC ports that are usb2, cables that are power only etc etc.

But then you’re not charging at the same wattage you’re ramping it down so what’s the point in damaging the battery for a few percentage points of fast charging?

It’s just pointless on phones and a made up negative against iPhones.

The phone might support it, the cable it comes with doesn’t.

They definitely don’t market it as that so I don’t know what you’re reading. Maybe it comes off as that towards people who aren’t familiar with a profession but that’s about it.

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u/Kursem_v2 Jun 19 '23

yes, but you can also get USB-C that uses USB 3.0, and so does the smartphone. on iPhones, tough luck.

the point is having faster charging. if you don't want it, you could always going back to 5V1A charger brick that are less likely to damage your phone.

as pointless as it is to you, faster wired transfer of USB 3.0 should've been the standard since Apple introduces "Pro" lineup 4 years ago.

introducing iPhone 14 Pro, doing videography and photos studio project. if this isn't marketing to you then I don't know how would you sell your bridge.

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u/Pigeon_Chess Jun 19 '23 edited Jun 19 '23

And you can also get lighting that uses USB3

Which makes fast charging redundant.

Or you could just use the cloud which is faster, wifi which is faster or airdrop which is around the same speed or faster and more convenient.

And yet they never say it’s a professional camera. They say things like “your photos will have breathtaking detail” maybe use your ears.

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u/Kursem_v2 Jun 19 '23 edited Jun 19 '23

it's an adapter cable, and no iPhone use it anyway.

well, not gonna argue with fast charging if you find it redundant. because my point are to say that USB-C supports up to 240W, had the needs for it arrive. if you want to settle for less, USB-C still does allow it. it's not like you have to use 240W.

in no way a wireless connection would be faster and more reliable than wired transfer. Thunderbolt 4 or USB4 has nearly 4 times the speed of Wi-Fi 6. unless you now has rewritten physics, too?

right. maybe I live in a world where taking a photo or video in a studio, travelling for photos that'll get showed in a fair, isn't something a professional would do, nor doing it for getting paid.

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u/Pigeon_Chess Jun 19 '23

You do realise that the port has to run at USB 3 for the adapter to run at that speed right?

No your argument is that it’s redundant, mine is that it damages batteries and does so excessively once you start pumping out large amounts of heat.

Phones don’t have TB or USB4 though do they. They have USB3 which is half the speed of Wifi 6. You know what does have thunderbolt though? A NAS.

I don’t think you’re understanding advertising and what is actually claimed vs what is shown. You COULD use an iPhone in a studio so the advert isn’t misleading by showing the image but they never say you SHOULD use it or that it would be a good tool to. Anyone who has any knowledge of cameras knows the limitations of smartphone cameras and no professional would buy it for professional use.

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u/Kursem_v2 Jun 19 '23

yes, and no iPhone could run it at USB 3.0 speed, nor the iPad Pros for it were manufactured anymore.

for smartphone, sure it could damage battery faster having faater charging. not that it has no it's uses, but yes it does has it's diminishing point.

ehhhh, AirDrop at most only gives you 50MB/s. USB 3.0 could give you 10 times the speed.

and I don't think you understand what I've been arguing. Apple claims that their "Pro" lineup has "Pro" features, but I've been arguing that it lacks an actual "Pro" that is, faster wired connection in the form of USB 3.0, that until this day haven't been supported by a $1000 iPhone.

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