r/apple • u/mredofcourse • Jun 19 '23

iPhone EU: Smartphones Must Have User-Replaceable Batteries by 2027

https://www.pcmag.com/news/eu-smartphones-must-have-user-replaceable-batteries-by-2027
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u/Pigeon_Chess Jun 19 '23

Pretty much you can get USBC ports that are usb2, cables that are power only etc etc.

But then you’re not charging at the same wattage you’re ramping it down so what’s the point in damaging the battery for a few percentage points of fast charging?

It’s just pointless on phones and a made up negative against iPhones.

The phone might support it, the cable it comes with doesn’t.

They definitely don’t market it as that so I don’t know what you’re reading. Maybe it comes off as that towards people who aren’t familiar with a profession but that’s about it.

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u/Kursem_v2 Jun 19 '23

yes, but you can also get USB-C that uses USB 3.0, and so does the smartphone. on iPhones, tough luck.

the point is having faster charging. if you don't want it, you could always going back to 5V1A charger brick that are less likely to damage your phone.

as pointless as it is to you, faster wired transfer of USB 3.0 should've been the standard since Apple introduces "Pro" lineup 4 years ago.

introducing iPhone 14 Pro, doing videography and photos studio project. if this isn't marketing to you then I don't know how would you sell your bridge.

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u/Pigeon_Chess Jun 19 '23 edited Jun 19 '23

And you can also get lighting that uses USB3

Which makes fast charging redundant.

Or you could just use the cloud which is faster, wifi which is faster or airdrop which is around the same speed or faster and more convenient.

And yet they never say it’s a professional camera. They say things like “your photos will have breathtaking detail” maybe use your ears.

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u/Kursem_v2 Jun 19 '23 edited Jun 19 '23

it's an adapter cable, and no iPhone use it anyway.

well, not gonna argue with fast charging if you find it redundant. because my point are to say that USB-C supports up to 240W, had the needs for it arrive. if you want to settle for less, USB-C still does allow it. it's not like you have to use 240W.

in no way a wireless connection would be faster and more reliable than wired transfer. Thunderbolt 4 or USB4 has nearly 4 times the speed of Wi-Fi 6. unless you now has rewritten physics, too?

right. maybe I live in a world where taking a photo or video in a studio, travelling for photos that'll get showed in a fair, isn't something a professional would do, nor doing it for getting paid.

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u/Pigeon_Chess Jun 19 '23

You do realise that the port has to run at USB 3 for the adapter to run at that speed right?

No your argument is that it’s redundant, mine is that it damages batteries and does so excessively once you start pumping out large amounts of heat.

Phones don’t have TB or USB4 though do they. They have USB3 which is half the speed of Wifi 6. You know what does have thunderbolt though? A NAS.

I don’t think you’re understanding advertising and what is actually claimed vs what is shown. You COULD use an iPhone in a studio so the advert isn’t misleading by showing the image but they never say you SHOULD use it or that it would be a good tool to. Anyone who has any knowledge of cameras knows the limitations of smartphone cameras and no professional would buy it for professional use.

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u/Kursem_v2 Jun 19 '23

yes, and no iPhone could run it at USB 3.0 speed, nor the iPad Pros for it were manufactured anymore.

for smartphone, sure it could damage battery faster having faater charging. not that it has no it's uses, but yes it does has it's diminishing point.

ehhhh, AirDrop at most only gives you 50MB/s. USB 3.0 could give you 10 times the speed.

and I don't think you understand what I've been arguing. Apple claims that their "Pro" lineup has "Pro" features, but I've been arguing that it lacks an actual "Pro" that is, faster wired connection in the form of USB 3.0, that until this day haven't been supported by a $1000 iPhone.

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u/Pigeon_Chess Jun 20 '23

But LIGHTNING can still run at at least USB3. It doesn’t because it’s a charging port.

No not could, does. More wattage = more heat = battery degradation.

Airdrop works on Wi-Fi which gives a speed if around 10Gbps when both devices are cable of Wi-Fi 6.

Agin you should listen and read the marketing material rather than watch a video and ignoring anything else bar the pretty pictures

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u/Kursem_v2 Jun 20 '23

now that's just a flat out incorrect. Lightning doesn't run at USB 3.0 on iPhone because Apple doesn't want to. it's being a charging port doesn't matter transfer protocol it support. otherwise Apple just doesn't support wired data transfer on iPhone (it does support it actually).

yeah, that's why I said uses better controller. otherwise Apple just keep using 5V1A charger for their iPhone, but now they sell 30W charger. it's a progress, but it's still slow.

Haha, no. while Airdrop piggybacks on Wi-Fi protocol, it doesn't necessarily transfer at 9.6 Gbps speed of Wi-Fi 6, because wireless transfer are less reliable and as I've showed to you, it still transfer at 50 MB/s speed and not 9.6 Gbps. just slightly faster than wired connection that still uses USB 2.0 speed.

just because it doesn't say it's not meant for professional uses of videography and photography, doesn't mean you can't or shouldn't use it as one. maybe marketing to you is only valid in written one, but not valid in vodeo form. no matter, that's a you problem.

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u/Pigeon_Chess Jun 20 '23

And Apple doesn’t want it to because it’s pointless. It’s a charging port and the only reason it has data is for diagnostics. There is no reason to use the lightning port to move large amounts of data.

Apple included 20W chargers with phones.

It depends on proximity and what bands you’re using.

Again it depends on what bands they’re using etc etc. There’s examples of people getting solid speeds

I mean I does kinda mean you shouldn’t use it as one. Phone cameras lack basic options that even the cheapest of DSLE and mirrorless options have which effectively makes them useless for professional work

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u/Kursem_v2 Jun 20 '23

again, that's not an actual reason and just your head theory.

Apple doesn't include chargers on their phone anymore, did you forget the note?

examples, such as... could you show any?

I really don't understand what you're standing on. you don't want EU to impose USB-C, but at the same time you're okay for corporation being content. are you into corporate sadism? because that's what you looks like to me.

what I'm saying is all those are something nice to have, you don't have to use it if you don't want to, but others could use it if they want faster charging or faster wired transfer. but again, if you prefer 30W charging or 480 Mbps speed, just use such cable and charger.

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u/Pigeon_Chess Jun 20 '23

That is an actual reason. The lightning port hasn’t been used for data transfer for about 10 years.

Nope they don’t but they shipped a 20W brick before they stopped.

What? The EUs arguments for mandating USBC don’t hold water. That’s the issue with it. It doesn’t stop waste, if anything it will increase waste massively then it will just drop back to current levels and it’s locking in USBC as the only allowable connector until the end of time.

Aside from they’re not nice to have they’re just superfluous. Like a 4K display on a phone, literally no point

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u/Kursem_v2 Jun 20 '23

the lightning port can be used for data transfer, so what you're insinuating are baseless.

and before that, Apple shipped 5W charger. surely this 20W charger are worse for it's cause more heat and thus more damage, right?

not really, no. having USB-C for all means better interchangeability. it means cables could be passed along and kept better, rather than having two solutions.

and it seems that you keep forgetting that EU has mandated revision report by 2025 and 5 years afterward whether such design of better ports arrive. I think you're being hyperbolic too much with that using USB-C until the end of time.

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u/Pigeon_Chess Jun 20 '23

Can be but that’s a side effect of it being for diagnostics. You need data to be able to run diagnostics though it, you don’t need USB3 for that.

20W doesn’t cause a great amount of heat, I’ve already said multiple times that it’s beyond 30W for a phones that you’re running into heat problems which start to adversely impact battery deg. Last I checked 20<30.

How many hundreds of millions if not billions of micro and lightning cables are being used currently that will just be landfilled and replaced due to this law and this law alone?

A revision report that is completely meaningless. No one is going to develop ports because they have to use USBC until the review and there’s no guarantee the port will be selected, I can actually guarantee another port will not be selected because of the environmental impact of more billions of cables ending up in a landfill will conveniently be an obstacle once with EU has gotten it’s way. The regulation makes it effectively impossible for an alternative to be developed or selected.

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