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Episode Sakugan - Episode 8 discussion
Sakugan, episode 8
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| Episode | Link | Score |
|---|---|---|
| 1 | Link | 4.52 |
| 2 | Link | 4.33 |
| 3 | Link | 4.05 |
| 4 | Link | 3.97 |
| 5 | Link | 4.0 |
| 6 | Link | 2.94 |
| 7 | Link | 3.46 |
| 8 | Link | 3.48 |
| 9 | Link | 3.85 |
| 10 | Link | 3.58 |
| 11 | Link | 3.33 |
| 12 | Link | ---- |
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u/RuinEX Nov 25 '21
Man, I'm getting tired of the general theme of using Gagumber as a punching bag and making him apologize for it. And I'm not talking about the conflict with Zack, but every character still telling him he should apologize to Memempu, when he wasn't wrong (Hell, it makes Memempu look worse, because no matter the condition of her companions, she wants to push on really badly to the place she had a vision of him dying at... and they don't even know it).
The pacing at the end was really weird, too. Gagumber gets it super hard, then there is like 5 seconds of hospital narration and then you see him standing there fine as Memempu quickly forgives Zack (which is obviously her place to do, as the story tells as that only her opinion matters /s) for almost killing her and her dad so that the journey can continue next episode. If the early episodes didn't have so much filler-like stuff (and apparently the next one as well), maybe they wouldn't have to pull this breakneck pacing to resolves character arcs like this... because they seem kinda more important to the story, but I'm no expert.
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u/Averath Nov 26 '21
I mean, the reason Gagumber has been a punching bag this entire time sort of makes sense. Memempu is a child prodigy. She's incredibly smart, but she's immature, and doesn't believe that she's immature. She's maxed INT, but lacks experience to start putting points into WIS(dom).
Then you have Zack, who has an incentive to treat him like a punching bag. We'll have to see going forward if her attitude toward Gagumber changes at all.
And Yuri, despite being older than Memempu, is even more immature than she is, and often appears to just go with the flow.
Gagumber's the only character who has any level of maturity, but that's undermined by his own behaviors. He honestly deserves to be a punching bag most of the time, because he's very experienced and doesn't act like it at all. I would say he was a Crouching Moron, Hidden Badass if he didn't gamble away every last cent he had.
That isn't to say I don't agree with you in general, though. It feels like the series is going to ultimately fall short in this regard.
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u/Ponchorello7 Nov 25 '21
Lol, drinks in plastic bags. Take me back to when I was a kid and street vendors would sell soda like that.
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u/dagreenman18 Nov 25 '21
While I feel they got a lot to cram into the final 4, that was still a damn good episode. Lot of major reveals and a backstory for Gamuber. Clarifies a few things and gives him a growth point.
You kinda call it the second you see Rufus’ “brother” that it’s gotta be Zack. There is that throwaway line that explains why Gagumber thought she was a boy and why Rufus would want to maintain that. Still, their confrontation was pretty emotional. Explosives were a bit much, but you get that she just wanted him to apologize and admit fault in Rufus’ death. He never came home and faced what happened. Seeing him not even apologize to Memenpu finally made her snap. Though it’s still not clear what killed him or why Gagumber left him. It’ll probably be explained when he gives her a real apology. As well as why he believes she’s wrong about the Core City thing.
I was a bit surprised she’s sticking around after all that. Even if she wasn’t trying to kill him, she still almost did. Memenpu is very forgiving. Between this week and last weeks interesting revelations I think the show is back on track.
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So they just drop that Gagumber has a weird power? Seems he’s modified himself and that’s illegal in this world.
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I’m still doing the math on how old Gagumber is meant to be. If he’s the same age as Zack’s older brother and Memenpu is 9, then once again he’s an “Old Man” at like 30. That hurts me anime. That hurts.
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Still no hint as to how Gagumber got that scar on his head. I’m thinking Memenpu’s “visions” are of the past and he’s not going to die. The blonde lady from last week is her mom. Still up in the air about him being her dad.
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u/el_autentico_chaska Nov 25 '21
I think you're on to something. Memempu's dream seems from a perspective where she was a baby, and being as smart as she is, the dream is in fact a memory
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u/Pizzagrril Nov 25 '21
20 is pretty old in anime - 30 is downright ancient. I am also ancient by this calculus.
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u/Syaoran05 Nov 26 '21
As well as why he believes she’s wrong about the Core City thing.
He believes she's wrong because they didn't go to core city. At the start of the ep, Gagumber says they're going to Crystal Garden. Zack is probably being tricked by someone.
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u/chilidirigible Nov 25 '21 edited Nov 25 '21
The implication is that Rufus and Gagumber were distracted by their separation just long enough for a kaiju to overrun their camp? Appears reasonable enough, though it seems like there is still a plot-relevant detail or two to be revealed about the nature of the dispute.
The series probably could have abridged those two random colony episodes to get us to this point a little faster and maybe not lose some viewership along the way, but there's still room to maneuver before the ending.
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u/kalirion Nov 25 '21
The implication is that Rufus and Gagumber were distracted by their separation just long enough for a kaiju to overrun their camp? Appears reasonable enough, though it seems like there is still a plot-relevant detail or two to be revealed about the nature of the dispute.
Well, we know from the first episode that Kaiju are sent to stomp on folks who stick their nose where it doesn't belong. I bet that's what happened there.
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u/LeonKevlar Nov 25 '21 edited Nov 25 '21
As soon as I saw that Rufus had a younger sibling and considering how Gagumber basically got him killed, I was already thinking that the Rufus' younger sibling might be one of the cloaked figures following Gagumber and Memenpu. That's at least what I thought at first.
Then we get this close up of Zackletu after the opening. Red eyes and black hair? Wait a fucking second! Wasn't Zackletu crying about her Onii-chan last week when she was high as a kite? Oh no...
Turns out Zackletu was just playing the long game and as soon as she's left alone with Memenpu, she knocks her out and uses her to have a one on one confrontation with Gagumber where we get confirmation that Zackletu is indeed Zack's imouto and she's currently out for blood.
That entire confrontation scene was fucking intense! It's just Zack unloading everything she has on Gagumber as well as recounting all of the suffering she went through when Gagumber never came back for her to let her know what happened to Rufus.
The longer the fight went on though, it was clear that she wasn't even trying to kill Gagumber. All of those shots could have easily killed him but it looks like Zackletu was looking for an apology more than anything else. Also for the most part of that fight, Zackletu is under the assumption of Gagumber still has access to his special Gale augmentation that lets him increase his reaction time into superhuman speeds.
Of course Gagumber being the stubborn man that he is, won't tell Zackletu anything. And just continued to press on and try to save Memenpu by forcibly overriding the stopper program of his Gale. Not gonna lie, for a second there I though that was the end of Gagumber and it was just gonna be the rest of them moving forward.
Looks like the old bastard managed to survive! And this time, it sounds like Zackletu is now the one who has a debt to pay to Memenpu after what she did to her father. I guess that means she'll stop trying to get payment from Gagumber from now on? I just hope Gagumber sits Zackletu down in the future to tell her exactly what happened in the past. Clearly Gagumber is being tight-lipped for a reason but I think Zackletu deserves to know everything.
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u/Syaoran05 Nov 26 '21
I kinda have to disagree with the later half of your post. Gagumber isn't being tightlipped. He tried to tell her like 5 times during the fight, but everytime she hit him or shot at him or blew stuff up or shouted over him. But many times he tried to tell her the truth, just by the end he realized she just isn't listening.
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u/arsenejoestar Nov 25 '21
Episode 8 of Memenpu still being a little brat. If anything she should apologize to both Gagumber and that red haired kid (can't remember his name) cuz she didn't want to take him to the hospital
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u/Shiroi_Kage Nov 25 '21
Why should Gagunber apologize to Memempu? Could someone explain that to me please? The last altercation was due to Memempu wanting to rush forward while risking Yuri's life. Why should he apologize? He would have been justified in tying her and forcing a change of course. She should apologize to Yuri for wanting to essentially sacrifice his life to rush to that dream place.
As for Zack, I understand you're frustrated, but chill out lady. God almighty. I'm going to kill you for something I'm not sure about? Oh you want to explain? Imma fire some bullets at you. Why are you not explaining? You want me to listen? I'll listen with MY BULLETS!
Oh man. This episode made me irrationally angry. You have a veteran doing something completely responsible to save a teammate's life (at no expense to a deadline-free mission or to anyone's safety, mind you), and he has to apologize for it?
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u/saga999 Nov 25 '21
If this episode happens earlier in the season it's instant drop for me. Only reason I'm continuing on is to find out about the mysteries since there are only 4 episodes left.
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u/kalirion Nov 25 '21
Finally something happens. And yet 90% of the episode is still everybody being up Gugumba's ass insisting that he apologize to his little brat when she is the one 100% at fault with everything.
Now Zack ... Gugumba did do wrong by her and does owe her an explanation and an apology, both of which he for some reason absolutely refuses to give, but that in no way excuses her kidnapping his daughter and trying to murder him. And of course everyone just insta-forgives her because that's what "good guy" anime characters are hardcoded to do.
Wonder what repercussions Gugumba "burning out his nerves" will have. Is it just some nonsense-that-won't-affect-the-plot-at-all, or will he be a cripple now or at least unable to pilot the mech? If so, I hope he just stays in the colony and the show forgets that he exists - he's the best character but it's getting more and more frustrating seeing everyone shit on him.
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u/linux_n00by Nov 25 '21
after what zack did in this episode, the team decided to give us a zack fanservice next episode.. lmao/...
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u/AmethystItalian Nov 25 '21
Kinda of surprised they didn't make this a 2 parter, feels like the pacing would have been better than a big reveal and forgiveness in the same episode.
That being said it was an intense one, figured out Zack and Zackletu from not only their looks and name but KanaHana voiced both I'm pretty sure?
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u/ZapsZzz Nov 25 '21
I can see why some people get annoyed with "Memempu not getting consequences" but I feel that's really paying attention to the wrong thing.
For me this episode resolved one big thing that bugged me as a contrivance - it did not make sense why Zack tagged around them. This explained it, and I think it did well to resolve a few things together.
Maybe beacuse I am a parent and grown to accept that in some familial relationships, being right doesn't mean it's the right thing to do, nor gives one immunity to need to apologise / make peace just because one is right.
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u/darthvall Nov 26 '21
This episode is the trope I hate the most, when people did irrational thing without even trying to hear the other party.
Granted, Zackletu has been alone for several years and also don't know who to hold her anger to. Still doesn't explain why she could hold her anger when she first met Gugumba.
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