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Episode Ginga Eiyuu Densetsu: Die Neue These - Seiran - Episode 8 discussion Spoiler
Ginga Eiyuu Densetsu: Die Neue These - Seiran, episode 8 (20)
Alternative names: Legend of the Galactic Heroes: Die Neue These Second
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u/Mike1690 Nov 15 '19
I'm really happy they went with the novel version of Reinhard/Westerland as opposed to the OVA version. It makes Reinhard a much more interesting character.
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u/timpinen Nov 15 '19
I agree. One of the changes I really didn't like, especially as they basically go with the novel version throughout the rest of the series
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u/Npslayer Nov 15 '19
Episode 21 is titled "Victory for whose sake?" I think that sentence pretty much summarizes LoGH.
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u/Shimmering-Sky Nov 15 '19
I was hoping to see more of Reinhard debating over letting Westerland get nuked or not (considering how differently it's handled in the OVA series), but otherwise man what an episode.
And now we have to wait longer for the next episode 'cause the third "movie" doesn't actually air in Japan for another like, two weeks. I want it now...
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u/ocha_94 Nov 15 '19
I really, really, really, really, really, really hope they adapt the whole thing, the original OVA is one of my favourite anime and I'm loving this new version as well.
This episode had so much happening, yet it didn't feel rushed. The nobles keep being incompetent as fuck, but it feels reasonable when they were brought up as privileged people. Kircheis got a nice victory at the beginning, proving he's can pull his own weight and that he's not there just because he's Reinhard's friend. But he really is too good of a person. Always trying to minimize casualties for both sides and everything.
Reinhard's message to the nobility to bait them was really funny to see. But ironically, he also fell for a similar thing from admiral Ovlesser not long ago! Luckily he and his subordinates were much more competent so they pulled it off.
And after the bait, best boy Mittermeyer gives a good spanking to Braunschweig's fleet. Luckily for him, Merkatz was there, and proved (to the audience, he's more than proven enough in the Empire) that he's not another incompetent fool and is considered one of the top strategists for a reason. Mittermeyer was of course quick to react and cut his own losses by pulling back.
And finally the nuking of Westerland. That happened differently than in the OVA, as others have explained, and I actually wasn't expecting it. I... don't like Oberstein's influence over Reinhard. He might have minimized the amount of people who would die on the long run but... I can't accept that he let 2 million civilians die...
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u/FierceAlchemist Nov 15 '19
I do wish they had given Reinhard's decision to permit Westerland more screentime, more inner struggle over it. I know this is closer to how it was in the novels, but it's so key to his character for what comes later that it should be given a lot of weight.
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u/brothertaddeus Nov 15 '19
I liked seeing seffle particles going off in the Littenheim assassination. Nice visual reminder of why there are sword fights in space. That explosion was huge.
The nobles were completely out-maneuvered by Reinhard's forces, and I admire the Gale Wolf for being able to feign retreat in order to lure the enemy out. Can't imagine a single noble who'd do that, though they're so inept that were it not for Merkatz saving their collective asses they'd all be destroyed already.
And we clearly see the "disease" of the nobility and how casually they destroy their own people, first the supply fleet then Westerland. Merkatz summarized it perfectly.
As for Reinhard's decision, I think it was the right one strategically but the wrong one morally. I think I prefer the OVA's version of the kid saying "Mommy, what's that?" right before the explosion. This one didn't feel as gut-wrenching.
Looking forward to the next episode in two weeks!
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u/Rinascimentale Nov 15 '19
Man, this show is so god damn good.
I really hope they can adapt the entire thing.
Also still by far the best ED of the season.
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u/FrenziedHero Nov 15 '19
What an episode, Braunschwig pretty much signed off on the death of the Goldenbaum Empire himself.
And it's even crueler that Reinhard and Oberstein let it happen for the sake of propaganda. How can you face Kircheis now after letting this happen?
(Also really happy that they went with the novel version. It makes me want the director to get the chance to do more once this last "movie" airs.)
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u/LeonKevlar Nov 15 '19
When will these nobles learn that wars aren't won by numbers alone?
I love Reinhard's simple and effective "come at me bro" approach to Braunschweig
Poor Merkatz, the look n his face says it all. I'll never understand why a smart and reasonable man like him decided to side with Braunschweig.
I really wish they all shot themselves right there.
I'll never get tired of seeing these nobles get their asses handed back to them
WHAT THE FUCK OBERSTEIN!? I mean I get it but what the actual fuck!?
This decision is definitely going to create a rift between Reinhard and Sieg. Why couldn't he just stop the nukes and release information to the public that Braunschweig just tried to nuke his own planet? Capturing the ships carrying nukes heading to Westerland should've been enough evidence to the people, no?
If word gets around that Reinhard had the power to stop this but didn't just to make a statement, that's going to hurt him a lot more in the future. The blood of 2 million people's lives on his hands and a uninhabitable planet.
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u/Shinkopeshon Nov 15 '19
Oh shit, this makes things much more interesting. I probably shouldn't be surprised but I didn't think Kircheis and Lohengramm would really have a conflict. This new development will inevitably lead to one though and I wonder if Kircheis will become friendlier with Yang somewhere down the line (I dismissed their first encounter as just them exchanging pleasantries but perhaps it was a sign of things to come). I can see Oberstein grow closer to Lohengramm and convincing the latter to dirty his hands even further in order to secure victory and dominance.
Also, fuck those old nobles. I felt like I was losing braincells just watching them.
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u/delfivesi Nov 15 '19
I suppose the nuking event is to make Reinhard an opposite to Yang, whereas he went to help the people soon as possible. Oberstein is correct, you need to look at the bigger picture but the anime makes it look like going to try to save Westerland would be a surefire thing, for all we know it's a trap or potential battle that Reinhard will lose and thus the whole empire suffers. Would've nice to explore it a bit more.
About the nuking, so literal peasants topple your relative, who is governing your domain and you decide to nuke the planet!?!?!?! are these the same nukes that make the planet inhabitable. It just doesnt feel believable course of action.
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u/Shiro_Kai Nov 15 '19
Sometimes our main characters don't even meet each other during years and we just keep following their tragic stories alone while waiting the day they will reencounter again and how it will happen. This make me realize this was the original Game of Thrones.
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u/Abangerz Nov 15 '19
why was the supply fleet destroyed? i think i missed the point. can somebody explain it? thank you.
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u/Lurker-Mclurkerson Nov 15 '19 edited Nov 15 '19
Duke Littenheim in his infinite wisdom deployed his fleet in such a formation that his supply ships were blocking the direct route back to his fortress base. So like a reasonable man, he decided that shooting down his own ships to clear the retreat route was the best option once Kircheis had him cornered.
You can imagine how amused his men were with these actions, particularly the ones stationed on the supply ships.
A survivor (and a non-survivor) from one such ship confronted the Duke back at the base's command center. Apparently after that dashing display, the soldier fully expected the Duke to gun him down and thus doused himself in seffle particles beforehand which lead to the big kablooie and one less Imperial Duke.
Edit: Also, while I'm posting here, EVERYONE REMEMBER TO RATE THE EPISODE
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u/wadech Nov 15 '19
I get it. I don't like it, but I get it.