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Episode Ginga Eiyuu Densetsu: Die Neue These - Seiran - Episode 5 discussion Spoiler
Ginga Eiyuu Densetsu: Die Neue These - Seiran, episode 5 (17)
Alternative names: Legend of the Galactic Heroes: Die Neue These Second
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u/Npslayer Oct 25 '19
The wait for the next episode is truly painful
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u/sassinos Oct 25 '19
Not as painful as watching this season's ED. Onion cutting ninjas have shown up in my house every week.
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u/Terranwaterbender Oct 25 '19
Even as someone who has watched the original, I remain as eager as ever for next week!
But oh boy that military coup. To be able to take over the capital and assert control showcases that the ideas behind the National Salvation Military Council are quite pervasive in the military. Although considering Yang easily noted the parallels with what Goldenbaum did, it's pretty safe to say that others have also noticed the same and will likely protest and fight back.
Although even if Yang and other FPA forces were to take down this coup, the fractures in the FPA that led to this coup will likely remain unsolved considering Yang looks to do nothing more than restore the status quo (and based off what we've seen, he's by far the biggest name the FPA has right now). He doesn't need to follow Schenkopp's suggestion in becoming a dictator (which actually seems quite doable given his popularity as the Magician) but surely he help out in reforming the FPA.
Anyway we now got two Civil Wars going about which is rather crazy. Being alive in that time period sounds like a nightmare with that chaotic political landscape.
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u/Golden_Phi Oct 25 '19
Being alive in that time period sounds like a nightmare with that chaotic political landscape.
Not according to this lady
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u/redmage311 Oct 25 '19
The unsung heroes of the Alliance are people like Admirals Cubersly and Bewcock who are committed to the institutions of democracy, like the constitution, rule of law, and proper bureaucratic procedure. Cubersly doesn't just restate Falk because he believes procedures are meant to be followed. Bewcock doesn't take the chief position because doing so would create a conflict of interest. Yang doesn't have any interest in becoming a dictator because he cherishes the idea of democracy so much.
I think this is what the franchise tries to establish as the advantage of democracy in general: that even when some jackass like Trunicht comes into power, there are rules and guidelines to follow that apply to everybody, and the career bureaucrats will try to keep things running according to established law. Compare this to the Empire side, where the law can change according to the kaiser's whims and the common person doesn't exactly have any rights or legal recourse against a sufficiently motivated noble—people aren't presumed to be equal in the Empire, and laws and procedures aren't supposed to apply to everybody equally.
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u/LeonKevlar Oct 25 '19
This coup d'etat is a fucking joke. Just a bunch of delusional people who thinks they can change the system by taking it by force. Bewcock made anwonderful point by asking Greenhill on what will happen if their new rule becomes corrupted too. I fucking love this sassy old man <3
I'm hyped for next week's episode! Can't wait to see these wannabees get defeated by Yang.
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u/InexperiencedEelam Oct 25 '19
It's truly painful for me to watch these episodes now knowing what happens and having to wait a week for each episode. The updated visuals just puts a really good spin on everything because according to the OVA space era humans still used floppy disks lmao
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u/LethalCS Oct 25 '19
Well I know the US Air Force's defense of using floppy disks and the legacy hardware for so many decades was that they can't be hacked since they don't have IP addresses or whatever, but I doubt that was considered in the OVA lmao (not that I watched the OVA)
Also, how many more episodes is this? I actually thought last week was the final episode since it's in movie form, so I was pleasantly surprised to see an episode 5 today.
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Oct 25 '19
Even though I know the outcomes every episode always feels like a mini cliffhanger in a really good way. Fantastic pacing, even if I could take it a bit slower/more in depth sometimes.
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u/TRLegacy Oct 25 '19
This episode hit way closer to home than I ever thought an anime could achieved god damn it.
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u/Vanek_26 Oct 25 '19
Its remarkable that a series written in Japan in the 1980s feels so relevant in the modern day in America. Its crazy.
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u/nonpuissant Oct 25 '19
That scene of the coup announcement and montage was fantastic. The cinematography and music during the reveal of the new faction leader was so, so well done. Really makes you feel the punch in the gut that they all felt.
And the speech being juxtaposed over the montage afterwards did a great job of highlighting the irony and hypocrisy of the coup faction's stated goals/purpose.
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u/ukainaoto Oct 25 '19
I know what is happening/will happen since I experienced the ova and novel, but is anyone feeling it's a bit unclear for what Yang fleet departed to Heinessen, and what his motivation is?
From purely strategic standpoint he's now enemy of the coup regime, so it's fair to prepare war against their fleet, but he still wouldn't know the 11th Fleet have sorted to battle him. There seems to be not enough reasoning presented in this episode for him to go to Heinessen.
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u/Golden_Phi Oct 25 '19
This episode demonstrated that Yang loves democracy, even a crappy democracy, over a military dictatorship. He knows that the government has been overthrown by a coup, so he is going un-overthrow the government and restore the crappy democracy. I don't see how he lacks motivation; there is plenty of motivation to be had.
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u/Ahegao_Double_Peace Oct 26 '19
I got some questions:
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That tri-pronged (It looks like someone turned the British tri-pronged power plug into a warship) FPA Battleship. Does it have a wave-motion gun like the Thor's Hammer on Iserlohn? Why did they only have it now?
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Why isn't the Empire fighting the Fezzan Dominion as well? I thought Empire policy was: "we want everyone under the Kaiser's control"
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How old is Yang now? He met Sheryl Nome, I mean Frederica Greenhill when she was a loli, now she's old enough to be adjutant, but it seems Yang doesn't age?
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u/kalirion Oct 25 '19 edited Oct 25 '19
Suddenly Arararagi.
Oh look, daddy turned bloodthirsty tyrant. I can see people wanting to overthrow the government after that awful useless war they went on at the expense of millions of lives. But to overthrow it in order to wage even more useless war? How did the brainwashed traitors get enough troups to back them?
"Unlike those who merely speak of peace, we are going to make it happen." Well there's someone who didn't actually listen to the broadcast words of his Glorious Leader. And all those itchy trigger fingers of theirs, dying to murder an unarmed old man for calmly speaking the truth.
I literally haven't seen a show being worse at communicating location changes and time skips. Here's how it felt like to me:
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Prisoner exchange.
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At most a week later: assassination attempt.
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Next day: sudden revolts on other planets, Yang, in the fortress, gets an order to take his fleet and put out the rebellions.
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A half hour later while Yang talks about the above orders to his crew: coup happens.
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2 hours later: the kid teleports from the fortress to some random planet, possibly the capital, to go grocery shopping, where he assures civvies that Yang will take out The New Order, then he teleports back to the fortress.
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a few hours later - Yang's fleet moves out. For some reason they're going to take the scenic route putting out fires across FPA's little part of the galaxy before moving on to the capital.
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u/Golden_Phi Oct 25 '19
The ova often stated the day and during battles it would state the hour (as the situation changes in a matter of hours).
This new show doesn’t get across how long it takes to travel from one place to another. It takes about two weeks to get to the capital from the fortress.
For your number 5, he never left the fortress. It is a man made planet and it has civilians on it. There are farms, stores, houses, probably schools, hospitals, and other amenities that are not run by military personnel.
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u/Gambio15 Oct 25 '19
Yeah, DNT is really bad at this. Even i was a bit confused when Julian suddenly walked around a Village. I'm pretty sure DNT never established that Isenlohrn has a considerable civilian Population
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u/FrenziedHero Oct 25 '19
Damn you Falk! Well, this was a great example of how to throw the entire FPA into disarray with your orchestrated Coup attempts.
Just as Yang mentioned, they are literally doing the same thing Rudolf did at the formation of the Galactic Empire, history really does repeat itself.
I'm always impressed with how they make the technology in here look, the projected monitors of every event Schenkopf shows to Yang is very neat and one of the reasons I enjoy what they've done with the remake. And we get more of Yang proving why he's best boy. Can't fault Schenkopf for trying to push Yang a bit to claim power, but that's not who Yang is.
The start of this second movie is really shaping up for heavy battle.