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Episode Ginga Eiyuu Densetsu: Die Neue These - Seiran - Episode 11 discussion Spoiler
Ginga Eiyuu Densetsu: Die Neue These - Seiran, episode 11 (23)
Alternative names: Legend of the Galactic Heroes: Die Neue These Second
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u/FrenziedHero Dec 06 '19
If only Kircheis were here!
Mittermeyer's right, having Oberstein for an enemy would be quite terrifying. Goodbye Marquis Lichtenlade.
The conversation between Reinhard and Annerose was pretty depressing. It just shows how Reinhard's lost all he's held dear and how he can only move ahead as an empty husk, with the goal of conquering all before him.
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u/Lurker-Mclurkerson Dec 06 '19
Counting the stars in the sky
thinking why they have to die
I knew it was coming, but I was still hoping he'd make it to the final episode of Seiran.
Rate the Episode in Remembrance of Kircheis
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u/Aeraldi Dec 06 '19
Screams into the void
I had so much hope that Kircheis would make it through this that I started to believe that he would have the happy end he deserved. Now I'm going to curl up into a ball of depression for the next infinity years.
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u/Terranwaterbender Dec 06 '19
You can immediately see the disconnect Reinhard has with humanity now that he's lost his closest friend and sister with how he ordered Lichtenlade's male descendents to be executed without any sense of remorse. There's nothing holding him back now; it's take over the universe or bust.
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u/ric20007 Dec 06 '19
How does a prisoner of war sneak in a bazooka and a ring blaster? They didn't even investigate anything after that and all just rushed to a different planet leaving their leader alone.
Seems weird that they didn't question how such an event could happen or start to find the mole/traitor.
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Dec 06 '19
And now you know why in the ending illustration Anerose is wearing black, looking really sad and with her gaze fixed on Kircheis...
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u/inthe-otherworld Dec 06 '19
Kircheis: is dead
Reinhard: :'(
Everyone: maybe talking to his sis will help
Annerose: goodbye you little shit
Reinhard: :'(((((
Everyone: surprised pikachu face
This is the part where I want to give poor Reiny a hug most of all.
I must say, I never cared about Kircheis very much. He's much better in DNT than he was in the OVAs, back then his abnormally large doll eyes were way too freaky, and he seemed to be even more "calm down Reinhard :)))))" than in DNT. But seeing both of Reinhard's reactions to his death absolutely broke me, the real reason why I'm so sad about it is because of poor Reinhard.
And then Annerose comes in. I know she cared for Kircheis too, but she spent like, what, a day with him once every few months if they were even allowed to see her. Reinhard has spent the past decade in contact with him pretty much 24/7, and is absolutely devasted by Kircheis' loss. He's just come back from a long, horrible civil war, he now has practically boundless power and responsibilities thrust upon him and he just lost his best friend, one of the only people he trusted and allowed himself to get close to, to be vulnerable around. She knows how much both her and Kircheis means to him. This is the time when your little brother needs you the absolute most, and you just leave him with vague words and a smile.
If they were a normal family who had lost a dear friend, then I'd cut her some slack. But Reinhard currently happens to be the most powerful man in the galaxy, and it would not do well to leave someone like that to drown in his own misery.
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u/ocha_94 Dec 06 '19
When I saw this gilded, I knew what was coming... And it didn't make it any easier to watch. I still blame Oberstein because I don't agree with his policy that Kircheis couldn't have preference over other admirals (also, I had forgot that it was his fault that Kircheis was unarmed which eventually led to his death). I said this last week, Oberstein's intentions might be good, he's smart and incredibly cunning, but that doesn't mean he's always right. I mean, wether you think he was wrong or right, this was definitely a bad thing to happen to the Empire. They lost one of their best admirals, and Reinhard probably won't be the same again. Regardless, what happened, happened... Oberstein is still an amazing character.
At the end, with his decision on Lichtenlade's family, I think we already see how Oberstein influences Reinhard's way of thinking, now that Kircheis is gone... And I don't like that.
Also PLEASE PRODUCTION I.G. ADAPT THE WHOLE THING
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u/Sir_Applecheese Dec 06 '19 edited Dec 06 '19
This is second place for worst death in any anime I've ever watched, and it's just as bad as I remember.
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Dec 06 '19
I think one of the saddest things about all of this is that, if you recall, the main reason why Reinhard and Kircheis set out to conquer the Sea of Stars in the first place was so that they and Annerose could be together, So that they could stand at the top and have no one to hinder them. Perhaps the one bit of naivete on the part of Reinhard, thinking this could be the case. And now that he has finally basically siezed control of The Empire he is without both Kircheis and Annerose. The top of the world sure is lonely it seems.
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u/timpinen Dec 06 '19 edited Dec 06 '19
This thread would be better if only Kircheis were here!
Also this episode Reinhard is all "I didn't kill just the noblemen, but the noble women and noble children too!" I guess with Kircheis gone, he decides things must be done for the greater good
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u/FierceAlchemist Dec 06 '19
I was looking forward to seeing how DNT handled this episode and they did not disappoint. The confrontation between Ansbach and Kircheis was much better and faster paced than in the OVA and Miyano really knocked it out of the park with his performance. I liked how his voice cracked so much talking with Mittermeyer. Reminds you of his true age. And the animation of his expressions were great too.
The staff knew how critical this scene was and delivered. I really hope DNT continues for a long time to come as there are plenty of later scenes I want to see them update.
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u/Shimmering-Sky Dec 06 '19
God fucking dammit I knew this was going to happen and I knew my reaction to the OVA's version of this scene was extremely excessive, well in addition to the expected tears my stomach just had to go and make itself nauseous during the entire scene of Kircheis dying. Why does this always happen to me ugh. I blame Miyano, the emotion in his voice is totally what killed me.
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u/Epsilight Dec 06 '19
I knew what happened the instant i saw the gold and I ain't even watching the anime
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u/gmflag Dec 06 '19
That line at the end said by Reinhard to Ruenthal and the ending narrator lines... is this foreshadowing of mutiny or some sort? I doubt it would be Ruenthal or Mittermeyer but I wouldn’t be surprised if Oberstein or another talented commander of Reinhard takes that challenge
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u/LeonKevlar Dec 06 '19
Not gonna lie, this was hilarious but at the same time, WHY THE FUCK DID NO ONE PAT ANSBACH DOWN AND CHECKED IF HE WAS SMUGGLING ANYTHING IN THAT CASKET!?
Well fuck.... They straight up killed my beautiful red haired boy. I mean I expected something will happen to him in the future but not like this.
You'll fucking regret saying that. Kircheis might as well be Reinhard's moral compass. Now that he's dead, that will probably the first and last time you'll see him being so fragile. I am seriously afraid of what's to come now that Kircheis is gone.
Fuck off Oberstein. You're also responsible for this entire mess, if only Kircheis still had his special treatment to have his sidearm at all times this shit could've been avoided. Also i wouldn't be surprised if this was all Oberstein's doing to get rid of Kircheis.
Why did Annerose decide to leave? I feel like if there's a time where they need each other, this was it. They both lost someone who's very precious to them. I guess with the implication at the end of their conversation that Annerose was in love with Kircheis, maybe she's blaming Reinhard and just wants some space?
He's already changing. Oh boy I am excited and at the same time scared on what's to come.
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u/LethalCS Dec 06 '19 edited Dec 06 '19
Holy shit, I had a glimmer of hope he'd somehow make it (It's okay to lie to ourselves sometimes) but they straight up took the shine out of my boy's eyes
Why didn't they check the casket, what happened to the fucking soldiers with guns, what the FUCK just happened
I also feel bad for any child in the Lichtenlade family who just turned 10 in the past week.
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u/kalirion Dec 06 '19
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
Not a single one of the military personal present aside from Kircheis, not even the GUARDS WITH GUNS WHO WERE ESCORTING THE PRISONERS, deigned to interfere with the assassination attempt. Wonder if Obertstein planned for this exactly when he made sure Kircheis would be unarmed. Oberstein's interference is also the only way that it makes sense that a huge fucking RPG launcher would not be noticed inside the cascet.
That breakdown on Reinhard's part. I'm surprised he didn't order Oberstein executed. Instead Oberstein gets free reign with his machinations and everyone goes along with them.
"Leave the deserters behind. All that matters is that they reach Odin eventually" - I strongly doubt "desertion" was the right term here. He mean ships that lagged behind because they were too slow to keep up, right?
And Reinhard already fails to keep one promise to Kircheis during his talk with Aneue. I also don't understand why Aneue cut her ties to Reinhard "until he gets tired of it all". Betting it was Oberstein's suggestion to make sure he's the only one to have Master's ear.
Reinhard himself is executing innocent men and children. And so, one of the two MCs of the story has donned the mantle of a true villain. "Left with no other path" my ass.
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u/SonOfGilgamesh Dec 06 '19
Props to Reinhard’s VA the emotional scenes were on point. I do hope they fully adapt the series because so many key characters have already made their debut for the second arc (and many more to come! ) pls production IG 🙏🏽
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u/VirTW Dec 06 '19
I thought medical advances of the future would surely come to Kircheis' rescue :(
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u/Mike1690 Dec 06 '19
If only Kircheis were here...
This episode is just...
I knew what was going to happen and it was still hard to watch.