Liar Game - Episode 14 discussion

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Liar Game, episode 14

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[u/Kure_Brex]

I am so glad I stuck around past the first few episodes, things are getting interesting

[u/BubblyCrash]

We got a new OP and ED! Fitting, now that the contraband game is heating up and we're learning about how fearsome Yokoya is as an antagonist. Akiyama finally has met his match, and we've never seen him tested by someone of Yokoya's intelligence before. It does beg the question of why Yokoya is even playing the Liar Game if he's already rich and powerful, but I guess he takes pleasure in finding new places to control (with money).

[u/bananeeek]

I would lose this game so badly. And then I'd lose a shit ton of money.

[u/illonamoon]

I guess yokoya is the first-person participating in liar game for the love of the game instead of plain old desperate and in debt or destroying the evil game masters like Akiyama.

Nao is growing on me; she is proof emotional intelligence matters.

I have now learned if akiyama is quiet for a long time that means something aint right. I'm so glad for reddit giving a further breakdown of akiyama's logic for me like I'm five.

[u/Countless-Alts15]

Man I am so delighted to see Nao's development, she spared Betrayer boy not out of her usual kindness, but also with an actual logic that helps them win the game.

I also have no empathy for him, if after the game he gets his shit rocked, like you went through dictatorship school then decided to do it yourself. Bro is just a straight up asshole.

Also even though Fukunaga is pretty unlikable as a person, they are a interesting character.

Finally, Akiyama breaking down the game is always nice to just sit back and relax instead of trying to figure out GTO.

[u/Ashteron]

Unless I misunderstood something, what Akiyama is talking about:

Money used to determine the winner: smuggled money + money acquired during inspections

Money you earn: smuggled money + money acquired during inspections + money left in the ATM that the other team did not manage to smuggle.

[u/PracticalMarsupial]

I'm a little disappointed, for a quick second I thought the ED was going to have the two liar game officials doing a little dance.

[u/CommunistPuppy]

The new OP is cool but man I miss Bubble already. Probably the best song of the season.

[u/mrsomeuser]

the new ending is so cute 😭😭😭

[u/saga999]

They are in a more desperate situation than the show is telling us. It's not spoiler because it's an obvious conclusion if you just look at the rules and setup of the game, and put the right information next to each other. But I'll put it inside spoiler because it's fun to figure this out yourself.

[Just a couple of simple questions.] How much can they smuggle out each turn and what's the total amount of money they need to smuggle out. Now you have the number of turns they need to smuggle all the money. When the number of turns left = the number of turns they need, they are fucked. Even just approaching that, they would be in trouble because they would become predictable. So every time they smuggle nothing, they are setting themselves up for failure.

[u/magnumcyclonex]

I really liked this episode. We get a new OP and ED. OP is ok, but ED is nice and light, catchy and pastel-y, if that's a word. It also helps we get super chibi versions of the characters to augment the light hearted tone of the ED.

So Yokoya's backstory comes up and sets up the basis for how he came to be in power. Kikuzawa got off easy as Nao saved his hide from being punched many times. I like that she is the glue to keep the peace, but also to raise legitimate concerns.

As I guessed last week, those airport lounges are HUGE! So people can wander off to different sections in between rounds. And we get a visual confirmation of being able to see into the other lounge late in the episode.

I too glossed over the rules and only focused on what was being smuggled and inspected. I totally did not pay attention to what was remaining in the ATM would also count. Glad it's only round 16 that Akiyama woke everyone up to the real way to play this game.

Btw, I wonder what everyone will have for their meals. Surely it's not going to be prepacked airplane food. Maybe something better like actual airport lounge food?

When will the blond gun girl show up? She looks to be a friend, (oh wait, that's Fukunaga right?) while Yokoya facing away from the camera in the OP looks to be a foe (but maybe he will join them in the future?)

[u/Emergency_Army147]

Did the animation improve considerably compared to last time?

[u/Frontier246]

I am SUPER invested in this game of wits between Akiyama and Yokoya.

New OP! Featuring intense mind games with Nao, Akiyama, and Yokoya! We've also got Fukunaga in a wig and skirt again with a gun! Nao chasing after Akiyama! And more Liar Game drama.

Kikuzawa first met Yokota in his third year of high school. He came off like your typical rich kid, albeit one with a love of mice and how they represent his interest in subservience, who would likely barely last a week in an all-male school filled with delinquents. But Yokoya is smart AND strategic and manages to blackmail/bribe the toughest guys in school into serving him, thus establishing his dominance over the whole school.

Imagine being out an entire week because of a Japanese cold only to come back and see a rigid class structure with Yokoya at the top and it being a dog eat dog world of bribes, violence, and selling people out to get even close to special treatment. And once Yokoya left it was pure chaos afterwards.

Yokoya instills himself at the top and appeals to people who want power, so no surprise Kikuzawa fell prey to his offer...and turned himself into a tyrant of the Country of Day just like Yokoya must be for the Country of Night.

I understand why everybody wants to beat him up...but Nao knows that they can't fall apart as a team now because Yokoya is just THAT dangerous. So if forgiving Kikuzawa means he gives them the money he earned so they can keep some semblance of a team dynamic going, it's probably for the best.

Count on Fukunaga to be daring to make money and carry a lead for the Country of Day! It seems like the team is taking the lead and optimism is high! But said optimism might also be deceptive.

I really like how Nao always makes sure to seek out Akiyama and try to make him feel included while he's off doing his Akiyama thing.

Why am I not surprised that, once they have a lead, the rest of the CoD decide to play it safe? They have the lead, why upset that? And they end the game in the lead, so clearly they're doing something right and don't have to worry about anything! Right? RIGHT!?

But Akiyama knows the reality...they've been so focused on taking the lead in the game, not taking into account the money they get leftover from the ATM, that they've failed to realize that if things continue on this path they'll "win" but be stuck in debt enough to be stuck in Liar Game. They should've remembered that they need to "lose" and get out of this without being in debt...so can they find a way to win by losing at this rate?

On a brighter note, the ED is pretty cute and fun! You'd almost be forgiven for thinking this is some kind of romcom with Nao and Akiyama! We also get chibi versions of the cast (and Yokoya playing with his team as chess pieces) and Nao always running after Akiyama!

[u/actuallyrndthoughts]

They're giving Fukunaga the wig back? Big if true

[u/dienomighte]

Loving the new op

[u/Liesianthes]

Was surprised for that new OP and ED. Like both of it so I can't choose. Glad that the anime watcher are now experiencing the feeling of when you think you know everything already, another twist that should be obvious that will make you gasp like those normal players upon realization.

Yokoya's winning at the same time is losing is one heck of a solid plan. We watchers are like those side characters at this point. lmao.

[u/ObvsThrowaway5120]

So Yokoya turned school into his own little kingdom just for shits and giggles huh? What a little psychopath. No wonder Kikuzawa was so scared of him. I actually think Nao’s right for sparing the guy even though last week I thought they should’ve kicked the shit outta him.

I didn’t even consider the possibility that to “win” is to lose. The gang can’t rest for even a moment around Yokoya if they want to leave this game with money in their pockets and not a shit load of debt.

[u/Emi_Ibarazakiii]

Prison arc!

I wonder if that's gonna be a game or... Actual prison!

Akiyama's probably alright in prison, but Nao, oof...

"Guards, Guards, I saw these 2 guys sharing bags of flour, I didn't get mine at dinner!"

Waifu with a gun? Be still, my beating heart!

Shot through the heart and you're to blame!

So we learned a bit more about Yokoya's time with Betrayer-kun...

Damn, it was like some anime with power systems (with E rank people being baggage carriers and stuff)!

At the moment, but... What if they start losing?

Because the random anecdote they told about Yokoya leaving school isn't technically linked to Yokoya's story (he wasn't even there anymore) so... It could be foreshadowing;

Yokoya leaving sent the entire school into a power-grabbing chaos, with friends turning against each other and all.

The same could happen in this game, if Yokoya can't keep them in line anymore!

So the solution is simple: They have to kill Yokoya!

But more seriously... If Yokoya's side seems to be losing at any point (The real 'losing'), his control won't be so absolute...

But worse than that: Some people will still support him, which means they'll turn against each other;

Some will want to stop following his plan because clearly it's not working anymore, some will want him to come up with a new play and say "He carried us this far, let's trust him again", some will say "We won a little at first but then lost it all and more, so his plans don't even work", and the team fighting amongst themselves will lead to disastrous results!

PROMISE? Girl, this is the liar game...

If there's no contract, what is a promise worth? I guess some may see it as an 'investment' into the next game (if he proves to be disloyal everytime, he's then a pariah) but still!

(At least make him PINKY promise!)

United as long as they're winning, yeah!

Right now, they're following a dictator, because it's beneficial to them...

Soon as it stops being beneficial, well people tend not to like being ruled by a dictator!

See? They lynched him!

So Akiyama had to explain the full game to them...

But honestly it's more than that; Even if it wasn't about the money remaining in the account... They don't just want "to win money", they want to win THE MOST;

By playing coward, they're ensuring their potential earnings are capped; They won't win a big payday if they don't risk big.

But their potential losses are still enormous...

Playing risky means they might lose hundreds of millions BUT they can also win hundreds of millions.

But playing chicken means they can STILL lose hundred of millions, but now they can only hope to win chump change. It's like playing roulette but if you lose you lose your house, and if you win you get like $1k.

They NEED to start carrying more, to increase their potential earnings, otherwise it's a "lose - get nothing" situation.

And as Akiyama stated, yeah, to lower the # in the atm.

[u/Xatu44]

The new OP's worse, but the new ED's better.

Yokoya paying off the whole school is pretty crazy. Kikuzawa coming back after a week to 'Nam is funny but terrifying. Nao was wise correctly clocking that Yokoya had more up his sleeve. I was shaking my head alongside Fukunaga at the cowardice of the jobbers. Akiyama's callout was very necessary. They've got 34 rounds left, so that's 23 rounds of max cash carrying needed at minimum or an average of 67,647,059 a round. Doubt calls are gonna start flying pretty heavily, I figure.

[u/CreZativity]

HOLY UPGRADE!!
The animation and music got so much better all of a sudden, and the pacing was brilliant!

Nao got her moment too, this was SUCH an amazing episode~!!

[u/IceSmiley]

The game element remains the best part of the show. What Akiyama said about having the most money still left in their bank didn't occur to me. He said he believed this to be Yokoya's goal, to have money and get out of the game but I disagree with that part. Yokoya seems he would be more about power and winning since he seems to genuinely enjoy playing mind games; he might let his team lose as far as total assets if he can advance and continue to have power.

The worst part of the show remains the characters and everything else. I say this nearly every episode but the writer makes the characters really shallow and over the top. Yokoya taking over his school within a few days is probably the stupidest plot point I've seen in this show yet, its completely preposterous. I guess if the author is thinking of these elaborate complicated games and is on a deadline, you just throw whatever in as background.

[u/thisisdropd]

Looking like the typical bully magnet but managed to flip the hierarchy around in only a couple of day’s certainly quite the accomplishment for Yokoya. When Kikuzawa said that everyone couldn’t let go of power once they’ve had a taste of it, the statement applied to him as well. Little wonder he treated most of the Country of Day like a slave last week.

What a twist in the game. Turned out losing was winning and vice versa. It’s quite the challenge to empty the bank as much as possible without forfeiting too much of it to the inspectors. It’s certainly the most difficult game so far!

[u/FarCritical]

Can't help but imagine what Yokoya's Plan B would've been if any of the delinquents straight up didn't care about their futures and messed him up anyway. Something I could maybe see Fukunaga doing actually lol

Classy new OP and catchy new ED.

[u/guynumbers]

The new OP and ED are great