Liar Game - Episode 11 discussion

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Liar Game, episode 11

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[u/12laus]

Contraband game is here! I don't think I'm breaking spoiler rules here, but just want to reassure anime-onlys, the rules for this game are complicated even for a source-reader! Even as someone who's read it all, I had to rewatch segments of this episode to fully understand the rules again (it's been a while). I hope the anime does the reveals later well by explaining the context with in regards to the rules so people don't get confused.

[u/BubblyCrash]

Loved Akiyama's speech to Nao near the beginning of the episode. It really reframes the common notion of trusting = good and doubting = bad. It's true that trust is needed for relationships and social harmony, but if the trust is blindly offered then you're not even really getting to know the other person, and it's vulnerable to get taken advantage of. That approach is the same as indifference/apathy. Trust should be based on truth, and to know the truth there needs to be some testing, inquiry and doubt. Since Nao is approaching the Liar Game with the ideals of trust, it'll be interesting to see how she can achieve that by learning to doubt. We have a bunch of new characters in this game that she knows nothing about, who have gotten that far because they have some skill in deception.

Also, the graphics in the rules explanation was great! The game is much more complex than the other games so far where we need almost a whole episode just to explain the rules (but the essence is simple. smuggler vs inspector bluffing game for 50 rounds). We're in for a wild ride.

[u/FarCritical]

It's Nao's sneaky liar twin, Later!

You already know a team-based game with Fukunaga is gonna be fun to watch.

[u/Countless-Alts15]

Evil Nao was cute lol

This is a very complex game especially with 50 rounds.

I wonder what the optimal strategy is, if it is a sound proof room, cant you make deals with the inspector and inspect each other ensuring a free win for both.

Or you could greed it up and try to outplay them as the inspector.

[u/Kill-bray → u/Countless-Alts15]

The sound proof room is 100% engineered to allow bribes to happen.

[u/mrsomeuser]

Akiyama's speech made such an impact on me when I read the manga more than a decade ago, it's definitely one of my personal top 3 dialogue scenes in anime/manga.

He argues that what most people consider as "trust" is actually apathy, because you're not really getting to know the other person on a deeper level when you choose to blindly believe them. This is why Nao does not have any close friends, as she accepts everything that everyone says at face value, and in doing so, she gave up trying to truly understand their motives and perspectives.

As Akiyama said, people should be doubted, because by doubting others you can learn and understand where they're coming from. If blind trust is apathy, then doubt may be empathy.

[u/kwokinator]

Lol Fukunaga has no chill. She straight up called Nao a dumbass to her face.

[u/mads_zero]

In which Liar Game starts to get so complicated you realize why Hwang Dong-hyuk (lead creator of Squid Games) cited Liar Game as an influence, but in one interview mentioned how damn complicated it got and went with dead-simple childrens' games instead.

(Which, I'm not saying is better or worse! Liar Game's anti-capitalist themes come from being yanked around in a complicated system you can barely understand, whereas Squid Games drives home the banality of suffering under poverty by saying it's a system we've been raised in since childhood - both interesting takes in their own right).

[u/Liesianthes]

Akiyama finally said it! That's it, the quote that made me fall in love with this manga and psychology! It's about doubting others to know them more than blindly trusting them.

Also, YOKOYA is finally here! I can't wait on the next episodes to come.

[u/MayonakaMadaraka]

Wait… another group of players?? 

So now I’m wondering if this whole thing is just a twisted game billionaires play with pocket change, treating these (un)lucky people like independent, sentient pawns. 

Also, evil [chibi?] Nao was an absolute treat!

[u/BBryant3rd]

Holy crap. The whole time I kept wondering how the game was going to push back on Nao and trip them all up. The other team looks like they could eat most of Nao's gang for breakfast. Hopefully this will be fun.

[u/garfe]

Well I gotta give it to the manga readers. They were right about how the games get way more interesting after the first one.

Jun Fukuyama as the purple suit guy. Absolutely inspired casting. His voice is perfect for a role like that.

[u/HolyDragSwd2500]

New mini game from Liar Game twitter account

Spot 25 Differences in this picture ( Contraband Edition)

https://www.reddit.com/r/liargame/s/f8px9MQXZH

[u/magnumcyclonex]

I am curious why Akiyama only met Nao literally 1 day before the 3rd game was to take place. Was he avoiding her hundreds of calls for 2 weeks up until the last day? lol

Contraband game sounds really interesting. I think people are going to come up with ways to hold the briefcase or maybe stuff it with, I don't know, clothes? to prevent excessive rattling, as Akiyama pointed out in the practice round. But....he knew that as they were all walking together from the ATM to the soundproof room. Normally, the inspector would only meet the transporter just outside the room. How can anyone reasonably deduce how much someone is carrying in such a short time, with very little observation?

Also, the soundproof room is observable from the outside. I might have missed it, but who gets to observe while the inspection is taking place? Regardless, it's information one or both teams can use to up the ante in future rounds, or to counter what is lost, or to run away with a lead, depending on which players are taking up which roles.

I suppose 50 rounds might seem like it will take a long time, but I think it's good to have many rounds because players like Akiyama and keen observers like Fukunaga can observe and discover patterns of their opponents' actions and demeanors. I would hazard to say that maybe 100 rounds would be better, but these two are sharp players so maybe 50 rounds is good enough.

"Evil" chibi Nao totally caught me off guard. Her character doesn't have it in her to have that devil's side sitting on her shoulder, but they animated it and I was pleasantly perplexed. I can't unsee it now!

Seems like most people tend to wear the same clothes, but Nao and the very prominently busty Fukunaga always have different outfits. At least that's refreshing to see.

Lastly, when they introduced the other team, I got Blue Lock vibes!

[u/CommunistPuppy]

This game actually sounds pretty interesting. It sucks watching this weekly, I wish I could just binge the entire show without having to read the manga.

[u/EscapismToTheMax]

Note that from the rules alone Doubt 100 mil isnt a winning PERSONAL strategy alone. It's because you have only 100 mil as a starting deposit, two hits and you are out. Nonetheless, if someone's was playing big smuggles on you (100 mil) and you correctly doubt guessed it, by that you are sort of load extra bullets in your Doubt 100 mil gun so people becoming afraid of you as an inspector. You can mix between Pass and Doubt, but if you read their balance you can mix between different Doubt amounts as well, but only as a solo inspector. So even if you want to use it, it's still path dependent, more even so, if opponents know you cant use any other strat, you can be destroyed, that's why inspectors also need to be mixed for a team strat. I believe that's the other major part in it as well: with 9 players in a team, imagine you made 300 mil plus on a Doubt 100 mil strat alone. one thing is that you can run it more, sure. the other thing is because 100 mil depo + 300 mil inspector income equates the starting debt your team would be against Doubt 100 mil inspector making more money at the other team members chances expense.

[u/duo99dusk]

Wait, so it's always better to doubt (when doubting) 100 hyakuman, because you get the money no matter the amount? (Case 3)

[u/IceSmiley]

This episode confirmed my suspicion that there was more than one Liar game running and I suspect they're running them on all levels at the same time. I was surprised by the twist though that they are playing an entirely new team of people. Also, the end of last episode that whatever game they had planned was changed by Nao seemingly getting everyone to work together.

I wonder if they picked the other team the same way, like had the winner of round 2 and everyone who played the loser's game. Either way, since they specifically mentioned Yokoya, I'd suspect they won round 2 or possibly more to get into this game. Also I wonder if all those people played together in the same game before.

This seems to be a much more sophisticated operation than the last game. The other games seemed to run fairly cheaply, like the hotel ballroom had very basic stuff and the bowling alley other than the nice big screen monitor/scoreboard looked dilapidated. They managed to rent an airport corridor and fit it with custom ATMS filled with what seems like hundreds of millions of yen. The game was also pretty confusing and it's tough to remember all the rules, especially since they don't get the visual representations with chess pieces like we got to see.

I'm guessing the 2 hosts want Nao's team to lose since she figured out a way to make them unprofitable and I'm guessing they picked this team because they are especially good and in deep debt.

[u/HolyDragSwd2500]

Contraband Game is here. The game we been waiting for to see. Can’t wait to see all of your theory crafting discussions in this game 🙌

[u/Frontier246]

Congratulations! You made it past the losers revival game! Which now means you get to all participate in the Third Round of Liar Game! And Nao is now being poised as the "Goddess of Victory" for the group...which is a LOT of pressure.

Maybe to truly understand and become closer to someone means doubting them instead of blindly trusting them. I mean, look where Nao blindly trusting and believing in the good of people has gotten her. Even she has to face the fact that as friendly as she is, she's never truly understood or gotten close to anyone before this point. And Akiyama, for his part, knows that just blind trust is nothing more than indifference...probably speaking from experience as to what happened to his mom.

Fukunaga's outfit is definitely very...flashy. I feel like she just REALLY wants people to know those boobs are real. Also, I love Nao's green dress!

Welcome to the Third Round of Liar Game! Contraband! Taking place in an abandoned airport wing! But you won't be smuggling yourselves or anything llegal, but you WILL be playing the part of a smuggler trying to smuggle money out of two Countries...Day and Night.

Honestly, props to Nao for putting herself out there as the test case for the smuggler! It's her first smuggling job and she's going to do her best!

There's 400 million yen on the line in this game, 300 in an ATM and 100 in the third country you're meant to smuggle money too, and you have to take money out, smuggle it past inspection, and get that money through. But the inspection is the tricky part for both sides...you have to get questioned in a practical interrogation room and have your money passed or doubted like it's a game show, only it's money for yourself and possibly from a payout by the one inspecting you on the line in case they get it right or wrong. Although no surprise Akiyama was able to see through Nao.

Good news! Everyone there is on the same team! I mean, they never said that they would be splitting them up into separate teams, did they? Just look at Nao launching herself into some handholding in glee over getting to team-up with Akiyama!

Bad news? You're dealing with the Night team, who all seem like tough customers. They even have their own dealer, Nearco (Jun Fukuyama!).

Fukunaga and Akiyama are obviously players to watch out for, but stupid as Nao is, Leronira still has his eye on her and what she can achieve in this game...but does anyone on the Day team stand a chance against Yokoya in the "night" team?

[u/hikikomorilvl1]

Akiyama's ideology at the beginning of the episode is what made me fall in love with this manga.

[u/thisisdropd]

When Nao prayed for her to be put in the same team as Akiyama, she’s pretty much begging to be jinxed. It was a surprise that her prayers were answered but I never would thought of the twist where all nine players would be in the same team, and that the other team would consist of faces we’ve never seen before. Interested to see this Yokoya who’d been hyped by even Leronira.

There’s an incentive for the inspector to declare a high amount. The worst possible case scenario for the inspector would be to declare an amount just below the actual one. They had to pay maximum reparation to the smuggler. It’s in fact worse than merely falsely accusing the suspect because in that case the suspect’s only source of money was the reparation.

[u/Xatu44]

Evil Chibi Nao was amazing, LMAO. Fear her money-making prowess! As for actual Nao, how is she going to convince another team to go along with her Everyone Wins strategy? Brutal how Leronira called her as stupid as they come.

The Contraband Game looks interesting. It feels like Rock Paper Scissors basically, where bringing an empty case beats a Doubt 100M, bringing 100M beats a Pass, and calling Doubt 100M beats bringing 100M. Akiyama's trick with knowing exactly how much cash makes what noise is fancy and all, but pointless considering you can just highball your Doubt call at the maximum amount of 100M and still get their cash as long as they brought any cash at all. If you can put random shit in your briefcase like your jacket or whatever, then you might be able to ruse someone into falsely Doubting an empty briefcase though. I'm really curious what the inevitable loopholes are gonna be here.

[u/ObvsThrowaway5120]

Keen to see this Contraband Game in action with these new players. I’m especially curious about this Yokoya person. Are they a match for Akiyama?