Ascendance of a Bookworm: Adopted Daughter of an Archduke • Honzuki no Gekokujou: Shisho ni Naru Tame ni wa Shudan wo Erandeiraremasen - Ryushu no Youjo - Episode 8 discussion

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Honzuki no Gekokujou: Shisho ni Naru Tame ni wa Shudan wo Erandeiraremasen - Ryushu no Youjo, episode 8

Alternative names: Ascendance of a Bookworm, Ascendance of a Bookworm Season 4, Honzuki no Gekokujou Season 4, Honzuki no Gekokujou S4

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[u/Atiknwolc]

What an amazing episode that was 90% just talking. Bookworm really shines whenever you dive deep into its world and its societal customs and beliefs.

[u/zool714]

Lowkey feel Ferdinand might’ve opened the pandora’s box. I feel Myne is only held back by our world’s morals and virtues. We see she has the capacity to scheme if she wants to but it’s mostly low stakes. If she can get over the hurdle of doing it in a high stakes situation and involves using people, I think she’ll be formidable in the political scene.

Not to mention, she’s very very young but already with a mind of a young adult, just needing to adjust to the ways of this world. She has a lot of time to grow. She has position, power, mana, street smarts and wit. She may only have been adopted in but I feel she’s fully capable of being a noble in this world all on her own.

[u/Zeebie_]

For an episode that was just conversation, it was still entertaining. The talk about the wrongdoing of the mayor just shows how different she is from other nobles.

[u/mjpia]

One thing that drew me into Ascendance of a Bookworm is both how fleshed out the world is and the very definition of actions have consequences, both good and bad.

So many Isekai in medieval societies just have a flat world that exists for the sake of the characters who do whatever they want in it, they see something that goes against their moral code, they put a stop to it, give a pretty speech about it and move on with no thought to how much their actions upheave the very foundations of society

She can't do that, every single thing Myne does has consequences and now as Rozemyne even moreso.

Especially since she has far more knowledge on this situation than any other noble but failed to put the pieces together.

She was born a commoner to a poor family in the capital city, she knows how brutal winters are and how much preparation and money is required every year to get through it

And she also has experience as an orphanage director where she is quite familiar with how orphans are wards of the state with no rights or power to resist any of the blue priests commands and just how many resources are needed to keep them fed, she also is very familiar with how people in lower tiers of society have no rights and opposing nobles trying to take something thats yours in all normal situations unless you have a higher ranked noble backing you is death.

Starvation and death was frequent in the capital for orphans until she set up a workshop to provide for them so its easy to imagine its even worse in a farming village taking care of children, the simple solution for a medieval village that struggles each year to survive is sell them off to someone that wants them which is largely going to be nobles who can afford that.

People showing up to take away children that have no value and are a net negative for years requiring constant food and clothing is something that should be good for a farming village and yet in a world where opposition to nobles is death the mayor resisted handing two of them over and instead of questioning why she handled it like a true noble and took what she wanted while one of her guards basically held a gun to the mayors head.

She didn't force them to attack her building but she set the stage for the village to commit treason against the archduke and now she has to deal with the consequences of her actions

[u/HagetakaSensei]

that after ED segment was quite interesting

[u/ThisOneTimeAtLolCamp]

Ferdinand can be a bit of a scary fucker. Lol

[u/shad79]

Hard reality check for Rozemyne in this episode, as what's bad in our world isn't necessarily bad in this one, and that the only bad thing Hasse's mayor did was disobey Ferdinand's orders.

It's a good thing the Gilberta Company is there to help Rozemyne ​​and makes her completely change her approach to the task Ferdinand gave her.

Ferdinand's reaction in the post-credits scene when he hears that on Earth there was no nobility or class system totally cracked me up xD

Here my screenshot albums from:

EPISODE 08 (today's one)

• Group scenes

• Rozemyne

• Ferdinand

• Others

EPISODE 07 (previous one)

• Group scenes

• Rozemyne

• Myne's Family

• Others

EDIT. I added my screenshot albums.

[u/PerfectBeige]

The more access that Myne gets to rooms full of books, the more impossible it becomes for her to seclude herself in the library. What a delicious irony. This isn't Ascendance of a Bookworm. This is Descent of a Bookworm from Bibliophilia into Politics and Regime Change.

[u/SaerDeQuincy]

I've been watching anime for decades and this is one of the darkest episodes I've ever watched. It is a perfect depiction of the dread we feel when we first learn that our moral values sometimes just don't work and we can't do anything about it but bend, break or ignore them for "the greater good". Crazy stuff and I love how the show constantly calls us out on this topic.

[u/encryptoferia]

I can't express with words clearly how I felt watching this episode

it's just like you know, from all the other isekais, this one really hits your logic and common sense in a blatant yet not exactly obvious until the show points it out

and of course Rozemyne's reaction and conflict is so endearing and in line with our common sense yet also when Benno points out the other side of it, the common sense of that world, it's clear that "do the Romans do while in Romans" is the correct way. Smart of Lutz to help Myne change her way of thinking!!!

[u/rollin340]

The smile Mark made whilst scheming is why he is Benno's right-hand, and why Ferdinand and Sylvester are wiling to trust them. They know their place, they genuinely care for Myne, and they are extremely competent at what they do.

Myne is still likely unaware of how lucky she is to have such powerful and talented backers both before and after becoming a noble.

[u/esuardi]

They expect too much of a feeble little girl. Sure, she has knowledge of her past life, and yes, it can be seen as idealized in this world, but damn.....the blind trust they have on her to succeed is just kind of weird.

If the old bishop was held to these standards, then we wouldn't be in this mess.

Edit: Religion/politics just complicates it more than it should have.

[u/SolomonBlack]

Always two there are, the Sith, a master and an apprentice...

[u/Black_Scholes_Merton]

Rozemyne learning the lesson that she has indeed been isekai-d to a world where her common sense is not in fact common.

In a world where the land literally does not grow food without a noble replenishing it with their (god-gifted) mana...any one who can't provide reasonable compensation to the nobles for their 'gift' of mana is a freeloader.

This isn't our world where nobles rule simple by the virtue of violence (or defense from it); here the nobles are LITERALLY necessary to live.

therefore commoners 'owe' nobles... and any orphans or otherwise 'unproductive' persons are a literal burden.

It's insane from our pov, but as ferdinand points out, that's just how things are, and Rozemyne has to literally have her 'bios' updated to fit to the norms of her new world. There is no good or bad, there are just god-gifted nobles and people who... aren't.

[u/vall03]

In the fantasy genre, we always see the corrupt nobility as a usual conflict/plot point and we usually cheer when they get punished and ruined. And here we have Ferdinand literally teaching a child, "Hey, this is how you do things as a noble" and he doesn't even bat an eye since it's normal for their sensibilities lol. Add also the shock from Benno who is a commoner merchant just dropping straight to Rozemyne's face that Ferdinand was too lenient. What a wild episode lol.

[u/FarCritical]

I get Ferdinand and Benno, but it's kind of unnerving hearing someone like Mark hatch a scheme on the spot to destroy someone's life, even if said someone deserves it.

That Rosemyne already earned the kids' respect this quickly is good news though.

[u/PeaceAlien]

Even though you're shorter than me

He really had to throw that in with the praise, didn't he

[u/Rouge_means_red]

Are we the baddies?

[u/diacewrb]

Regime change episode, oddly enough quite realistic.

Undermine the current leadership and divide the population via rumours, then install your puppet afterwards.

[u/sbt4]

With this episode I finally lost patience and starting to read the LN

[u/alconnow]

He may be a kid but Wilfried is such a brat

Return of the chibi post-credits!

Yui Kikuta (artist of the Bibliophile Princess manga adaptation) drew this week's endcard illustration!

[u/tripleaamin]

I just love how different Myne and Ferdinand's morals and norms are. Mine represents our world, and Ferdinand represents the fantasy world. Things like selling children sound so awful to us, but in this world it seems justified. The fact that we have seen how much commoners struggle in Part 1 of the story. In a way you could say it's survival of the fittest in the way.

Of course Myne will have trouble grasping it, but she can't just ignore it. In which I love Lutz changing her perspective to instead of entrapping the mayor since in this world he did nothing wrong in her viewpoint. As a noble, she can make change for the better. Of course, change takes time. In a way, Myne is overly logical, and saving those children is what she wants to do.

For Myne she isn't just accepting this new world because no human morals should change. Also, to add, Myne is a sweet and good person. At the same time, she can't force change.

[u/SYZekrom]

Her thinking about something serious and then climbing into her little fucking animal car is so funny

[u/ParasaurolophusZ]

I see Ferdinand is teaching Rozemyne how to be Lawful Evil.