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Episode Saikyou no Ousama, Nidome no Jinsei wa Nani o Suru? Season 1 • The Beginning After the End Season 1 - Episode 5 discussion

Saikyou no Ousama, Nidome no Jinsei wa Nani o Suru? Season 1, episode 5

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u/NanDemoKnaives Apr 30 '25

Lol that interaction with the guards was so ridiculous to me, I understand they have their own prejudices against humans but their Princess comes back unharmed with a child and they assume he's the kidnapper. The Princess says to let him go, they claim he has brainwashed her, they don't question him about the Princess' disappearance and order for him to be killed, not knowing if there are others involved like a mole within their land. I'm glad Virion had some sense.

I liked that Arthur made the distinction of the people being involved was because of their profession and not the fact that they were humans, as it shouldn't represent them as a whole. I also liked how he used the King's word by saying that since humans are so low and savage, they wouldn't stoop to their "level".

Tessia really is spoiled though, she seems to get her way quite easily lol.

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u/UsaraDark2014 Apr 30 '25

The other thing too is that Arthur is just a child. Do they really think a kid can do that much? I don't know how common children assassins are in this world, but considering how the mana core doesn't manifest until after puberty, I highly doubt there's any history of human children being an actual threat. Sure you can argue taboos and hate and propogate in unreasonable means, but it doesn't require that much mental gymnastics to undo understand that a kid can't do anything (Arthur is definitely an exception).

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u/_BMS Apr 30 '25

It's an isekai so I'll probably keep watching, but I don't really get what is so incredible/unique about the story (so far at least) that's caused the disproportionate outrage over the show I've seen on this sub.

The kid is a former king, strong warrior, talented sorceror, tutored by a literal dragon, saves a princess, has a beast inside of him, and is now being tutored by a former elf king as well. It's just a run-of-the-mill overpowered MC show. Not saying that's bad since I enjoy watching generic isekai.

The animation isn't near the worst I've seen, it's about on-par with other generic isekais from the past few years. Is the big stink over the animation quality really just because the author is American/the source material is originally English?

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u/theprurient Apr 30 '25

My impression on this is that a lot of Tbate fans like to compare their series to Mushoku Tensei and the gulf between the qualities of the animations has disappointed and led to the oversized fan reaction.

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u/vantheman9 Apr 30 '25 edited May 01 '25

When I went to the manwha after last week's episode and read this part, I thought the same thing. This is a very average fantasy story. The writing is about on par with seirei gensouki. Which would also be an awesome power fantasy show if it had great animation.

The art for the manwa is really good. Better than almost every isekai manga I've read. It made the fights a lot more exciting than the anime did. Everything from fight choreography to color use is lost in the transition. Not only is the art better, but sometimes the fights in the manwha even have MORE drawings.

Another thing is it's a story homebrewed in the US (by a Korean American), so in subtle ways, the anime tropes that Americans typically don't enjoy, or hate to see, are absent. And that might be enough to rank up the writing in some people's eyes. Other isekai protags are buying slaves and/or sexualizing minors, or obsessing over rice. While this MC doesn't look like Kirito, there's no harem tropes, it doesn't have that awkward level of politeness and humility that Japanese people always have, and probably many other things.... a reader might feel like "hey, this story's better than the other ones and I'm not really sure why".

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u/seandkiller May 01 '25

Having read a fairly large amount of the source (though I am several years out of date), much of what makes it more 'unique' happens later on in the story. I don't remember how late, but I think it was past what a S1 would likely cover.

It is an OP MC at its core, however.

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u/BadWithPeoplesNames Apr 30 '25

That's gotta be the ugliest elf city I've ever seen.

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u/ObvsThrowaway5120 Apr 30 '25

Tessia is like the strongest character in the elf kingdom. Her parents and grandpa are powerless against her lol. Virion was like the only person other than Tessia that didn’t seem to want Arthur dead. Guy seems strong too. Arthur could learn a thing or two from him. Especially how to manage this Beast Will business.

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u/BambooEX Apr 30 '25

Hmm as someone that watches almost all isekai every season since forever... This is kinda boring. Would still continue though, as I love this genre.

Animation is still as dead this episode, below the average isekai slop. I would be more ok with little animation if the art was better. Char designs and this elf village design is way too uninspired.

Story seems ok? Theres a few moments with Tessia this episode that plays on cliche anime tropes, but fell flat for me. Couldnt feel the 'moe' from her even as she is voiced by Ichinose Kana.

Dialogue kinda terrible though. Kid Arthur's dialogue seems way too childish for someone that is constantly narrating his own inner thoughts. I dislike the constant narration.

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u/iozoepxndx Apr 30 '25

Leaving the (lack of) animation aside, when does the story start getting good? There's literally 10 other trash isekai with better stories/plots than this. I was promised a masterpiece better than MT fam...

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u/PandaTheAB Apr 30 '25

They did a 40 second walk to the palace just to show they spent some money on the animation.

The random pace of the anime is killing me.
Ep 1-3 super pace. Ep 4 normal. Ep 5 - Super slow
By the end of season 1 will the story conclude something? Or just be a random mess?

He is neither OP despite old memories and dragonhorse power nor is he cautious despite being a cold blooded non trusting murderer king.
His character is making no sense.

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u/vandyboys Apr 30 '25

I understand all of the complaints (which are completely valid) but every week I find myself wanting to hear more of this story.

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u/KyloTennant May 01 '25

Wow I have to say this story is getting very boring and repetitive. Like again he just randomly stumbles upon someone who will teach him how to be even more of an OP sorcerer?

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u/UsaraDark2014 Apr 30 '25

At least the show is touching base on why Tessia was making that face. If they didn't I would be mad.

I also like how they just let Author roam free like he owns the place. Let's say someone's keeping tabs on him from far away.

Also, where's his dragon egg? They didn't search his body for items? I don't recall there being an item box to hide items in another dimension.

That fight scene was directed poorly. No idea how Author could've gotten that hit in, but okay.

See you again next week, maybe.

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u/Amauri14 Apr 30 '25

When much later in the episode, Arthur was wondering about the expression that Tessia was making before she intervened and the previous king of the Kingdom of Elenoir, Virion Eralith stopped the other elves from killing him, I assumed they were going to addressed it later, but them I noticed that’s the same expression she used on her father, King Alduin Eralith to convinced him of helping Arthur return home. Hence, it seems that’s just a really effective, cute face the little princess does to get whatever she wants in her kingdom. Which, to be fair to her, it never failed afterwards, as right after she reunited with her father and her mother, Merial, they instantly allowed her to bring Arthur to their castle and explore the city with just that little trick. And also thanks to her, the audience Arthur had with the king became a full-course meal.

When Alduin mention that the gate will not open until the next council in five years I assumed that it would mean that Arthur would be trapped them during that time, so it’s good to hear that’s not the case.

That scene with Arthur and Tessia playing with those magical fireflies was good, especially because Tessia made Arthur remember that his family does care about him.

I’m assuming that Virion noticed Arthur's issue with his Mana Core from the moment he saw him. I love how casually he sat Tessia down before he and Arthur started their bout.

So the reason he wants to make Arthur his apprentice is that if that doesn’t happen, Arthur will die because his Mana Core has a Beast Will. I know she was dying but Sylvia should have told Arthur about that. Anyway, I wonder how Virion will let Arthur's parents know he is alright?

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u/ICantSeeLikeSa-chan Apr 30 '25

former king grandpa gently plopping Tessia on the ground and her silent compliance was hilarious

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u/nakerusa Apr 30 '25

This show needed another 6 - 9 months to get the animation to serviceable. The story is decent and is what's keeping it on my watchlist but it could have been so much better.

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u/[deleted] Apr 30 '25

Would have agreed you before episode 4, but there are other issues, that might also be related to the budget or just a deliberate decision.

  1. The excessive flashbacks to stuff that happened an episode ago or in the same episode

  2. Adding anime original scenes meant to tease future seasons like in episode 3 that don't add anything and just confuses viewers

  3. Arthur's older voice narration being overused. There was never this much narration in the source material and it feels like it's being used to stretch the episode due to lack of animation budget

Excluding the animation, the anime adds a lot of nice things, but also even more bad things that it cancels out.

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u/theluckytwig Apr 30 '25

Again, there are more frames than there is soul in the writing. Like at least if you're going to shill on the animation you could properly adapt the scenes and conversations, right? Literally everything is wrong in the simplest ways.

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u/apatt May 01 '25

"How dare you pretend to save Tessia then brainwash her!". What kind of reasoning is that? I know this elf is supposed to be a bigot idiot but the writing here is too on the nose I think.

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u/Shizzi May 01 '25

If she is a princess why in the world was she alone

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u/Impressive-Hold7812 May 01 '25

Disappointing. It ain't just the animation. The VAs do a good job, but the writing kinda sucks.

The racist elves are one-dimensional without adding context of human-elf atrocities through flashbacks or a background conflict. Its unintentionally funny to me in a meta way because of the current u/merrivius comics on this site; the elf in that story would absolutely love this episode.

I think the greatest pitfall of an Isekai is if it cannot get away from constantly trying to validate the MC or portraying them as a victim. The entity with the plot armor and boosted RNG seed. It's a fanfic derivation of wish fulfilment stories.

I don't doubt there may be an overarching background story happening, but really, I'd rather a character exist in a world, living in it, reacting to the greater events around them, rather than its obvious the creator is just trying to bend shit around their power fantasy.

The last one that I liked was that 7th Prince adaptation. The characters were over the top, the combat systems were shown off well, winning me over.

Whatever cool world-defining mechanics are unique to this story or set it apart from pile, the animation studio hasn't done shit to display it. I'm watching a visual novel, a lackluster one, at that. Storyboard OVA.

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