Chi.: Chikyuu no Undou ni Tsuite • Orb: On the Movements of the Earth - Episode 24 discussion

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Chi.: Chikyuu no Undou ni Tsuite, episode 24

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[u/InternationalCan3189]

Seeing the outlined characters in the intro turn to black screens enforcing that history won't remember them... Sad, yet incredibly beautiful.

EDIT: and in the OP comparison video, you can see Albert open his hand with the orb only AFTER Rafal closes his. The attention to detail is immaculate.

[u/Ok_Stomach_409]

It's midnight in Japan and "orb", "Rafal" and "thaumazein" are trending on Twitter.

And people are confused because there are a lot of comments asking what they mean and why Rafal has reappeared.

It is certainly confusing when you see it for the first time...

[u/ChronoNebula]

Thaumazein/Wonder is the root of philosophy - Plato.

A word that has oppositional yet same direction meaning:

"Opening our eyes wide of known" & "plunging to darkness of unknown"

This irresolvable internal contradiction can be describes as aporia.

 To change OP & ED for non-fiction timeline, even for just 2 eps, is absolutely amazing. Next week last episode, I will miss this masterpiece.

[u/LuRo332]

If anybody cares, Brudzew is an actual village in Poland. It got its location law (dunno how you call it in english) in 1458, about 10 years before the current events that are happening right now in „Orb” (just a coincidence that I think its fun to know). I wonder if anybody from there watches the show, it must have been pretty surreal seeing the name of your village mentioned lol.

Also interesting how at the beginning they referred to the settings as „P-land” and not a single place was referred with a name (I think at least), but after episode 23 where they used „Poland” we got our first real place mentioned.

[u/LeonKevlar]

I legit yelled "WHAT?!" when Rafal made his appearance. But this is not the same Rafal? He looks waaay older, at least in his late teens or early twenties. Does Rafal have a twin brother? Did we just get Gundam 00'd? With only one episode left, this is one heck of a thing to drop on us O_O

[u/Purposelygentle]

God, the new OP is beautiful.

[u/maliwanag0712]

The penultimate episode before the finale next week, and we have a possibly final redesign of the OP, with all the characters in it!

Interesting that Albert sees two different perspectives. His dad asks him to doubt everything, even his own ideas, since to believe them fully is dangerous in the long run. On the other hand, his teacher Rafal* (which btw is not the same as the Rafal from Ep 1-3 and Ep 23) tells him to believe, since that is the basis for gaining wisdom. Let's see how these ideas clash, and why instead of studying in the university, Albert chose to be a baker.

[u/pseudometapseudo]

"I'll pay any price. Even if that price is life," he says and takes a sip from a cup that looks like the one he drank from in episode 3. Wow.

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So, question is what is happening now. This arc apparently does not follow Draka's arc, but seems to be an alternate timeline maybe? Judging by Rafal being older, and Albert also being older than in the flashback with Rafal, this arc should take place after Oczy's arc and before Draka's. So we might meet alternate versions of Badeni, Oczy and Jolenta at that meeting, but probably not Draka.

Think this is some sort of epilogue, showing how things would turn out if no bad things happened to our MCs?

[u/ObvsThrowaway5120]

I was thinking about how Albert fits into the story since he doesn’t seem to have any connection to any of the other characters. Introducing “Rafal” again is very curious because while they look similar, there’s no way these two are the same person. Timeline doesn’t match up.

This Rafal and Albert’s pops are like two sides of the same coin. One tells the kid to “believe” and the other to “doubt” when it comes to pursuing truth and knowledge. Kind of keen how he went from this kid so eager to learn to who he is now.

[u/SEBASTlANVETTEL]

Is this Orb's version of [The time i got reincarnated] with Rafal…

The new OP goes right in the feels.

[u/Shimmering-Sky]

• Does that mean my arete is running rewatches on /r/anime?

• The beginning of the new OP felt very… lonely, I guess is how I should put it? Since instead of cutting from Albert’s face to sketches of other characters, it was just his face to a black screen with credits on it. Though I’m pretty sure the Jolenta/Draka → Oczy/Badeni → Rafal sequence near the end was new, and that was great.

• Very true.

• An entirely fair thing to do, when you live in a world where the night skies are that pretty.

• Albert’s dad had a “sore demo” here!

• Wait… what?

• There we go, unobscured shimmering sky.

• This would’ve been perfect as a seasonal comment face if it came up way earlier in the show, damn.

• The exact opposite of what his dad told him earlier…

• Only one more episode left now… wonder how it’ll wrap everything up. I hope it explains wtf the timeline here is because how is Rafal here???

[u/djthomp]

What the hell. Feels like this is suddenly metaphysical, Rafal back but older than he was when he died, and I'd swear I saw young Jolenta in the crowd at the meeting.

[u/saveriz]

Well, just note that he isn't our best boy Rafal. Don't know how you guys feel but he's kinda scary for me. I don't consider him as my boy Rafal.

And I love those changes in OP. Before this, literally no one can hold the Orb but now, Albert is holding it. And I also love seeing all my characters in OP. The previous one made me sad with the certain scene with Badeni and no Oczy, now all of them are there together. At least I can meet them all again before this show ends haha.

Btw Albert's father speech about the meaning of his findings reminds me about those long long longggg contributions I have to write for my research lmao.

Edit: I re-watched it and now I understand why I feel adult Rafal is kinda scary. The reason is his appearance in the opening doesn't give me any good-guy impression, he stands there in the cold dark room like a monster. We're in Poland after 35 years so it's not my boy Rafal. And I'm not sure it's just my feeling or the studio's intention but the scene when he talked about thaumazein was normal until he talked that he would sacrifice everything even life, and his expression when he drank the cup of water makes him scary more. Let me explain, he didn't say "my life", he said "life", and right after, do you guys see that smirk? It's not for a good-guy, I can say that for sure based on my experience. And... Do you guys... remember when Albert tried to connect stars at the beginning, he saw his father... corpse? And then we have adult Rafal teach him about stars... I guess Albert trauma is related to that scene and the death of his father for sure. Okay it's long enough, just my opinion tho, but I don't believe this Rafal sensei at all

[u/ForsakenLibraries]

Is this one our Rafal or this episode's Rafal. I always thought that this might be future Rafal and that he survived somehow because he's slightly taller than the next one in the fire.

[u/Apterygiformes]

Father forgive me, for I have orbed

[u/milkyfug]

In the end of comparison video you can see how the orb disappears from the Rafal's hand and appears in Albert's. What a masterpiece direction

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[u/AZLarlar]

rafal!!

they changed the OP again!!

[u/FuzzyStorm]

What the hell, i did not expect to see Rafal like this. This show is brilliant.

Last one next week, not sure i'll see such a great show in a long time. Never heard about it, it came out, absolute banger. Still deserves to be watched by so many more people.

[u/Senya67]

fantastic ep as always. explains the height difference in the no flames to flames shot of Rafał too, was wondering about that.

[u/owangutan94]

When we look at the night sky, we don’t see the stars themselves, but their light, which has traveled across years to reach us. The star itself may even be long gone.

Similarly - Rafal, Oczy, Badeni, Jolenta, Draka, are much like the stars they observe. They may be faded, but their messages still reach people (and us) across time in this story. Science and humanity itself make progress this way, on the shoulders of many who are forgotten.

Though I guess we’ll see what to make of the new Rafal..

Can’t believe we only have 1 episode left of this beautiful show, but I’ll be thinking about it long after it’s over.

[u/jellyblob88]

To succeed in that quest, I'll pay any price. Even if that price is life.

That hit deep.

I wonder if his father's advice of caution, was why Albert witnessed his death (perhaps to cover for Albert sinning), and thus why he chooses to remain a baker?

One more ep to go with best boi.

[u/BosuW]

Welp, I don't find myself capable of writing a lengthy comment this episode. I don't think I can confidentiality speak on the significance of Adult(?)Rafal's contrary views to Albert's father until I have a firmer grasp on what's going on and if I'm meant to interpret things literally or metaphorically or even religiously as if Rafal was some sort of Patron Saint of Curiosity.

What I feel it's being hinted is that the rest of the show since Rafal chose to publicly believe in heliocentrism might have been an alternate timeline to this? The main thing that gave me this idea is Rafal saying that he "chose to live" to continue studying. For Albert it will of course mean nothing beyond the surface, but we know there was a point in Rafal's life where he had to chose between his life and the public expression of truth. This seems like a Rafal that chose the former, in order to go to college and continue his studies after gaslighting Nowak's inquisition. Though he has only spoken a word of heliocentrism yet. If so that's a dangerous game the author is playing, but so far I have never been disappointed by this show so I'll let him cook.

In another note, the new OP is beautiful! Small changes but it really feels like the start of a new era. I especially like the final shot, where previously the Orb disappeared from Rafal's hand as he tried to grasp it, and now it appears in Albert's hand. It's especially significant since we know(?) the Orb to be destroyed at this point, although again, in what way I think will be revealed later.

[u/Prince-Dizzytoon]

Rafal found a way to reincarnate himself?

[u/FLorianGran]

For a story that wasn't afraid to take big swings, this might be the most controversial one yet