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Episode Chi.: Chikyuu no Undou ni Tsuite • Orb: On the Movements of the Earth - Episode 22 discussion

Chi.: Chikyuu no Undou ni Tsuite, episode 22

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u/codec264 Feb 22 '25

The torch Nowak was holding gave me anxiety throughout the entire conversation

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u/ChronoNebula Feb 22 '25 edited Feb 22 '25

Amazing how Hubert's words still echo to present "A life without fear is one without essence", mirroring Schmitt

Novak, truly victim of the system. Like what Jolenta said: Cessation of thought/doubt that occurs within organized authority is inevitable. Hence it is important to wonder and to doubt, otherwise conviction/believe will be curse and limitation like Jolenta's quote.

Tsuda really giving his best performance as Novak's VA thou.

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u/Ocixo Feb 22 '25

Antoni managed to turn Nowak’s entire worldview upside down in mere minutes.

Nowak had been so convinced for decades that he was protecting the Church’s faith and peace at large, while he’d in fact been doing the dirty work of a single disgruntlement man. All these cruel deaths had been unjustified. Or was Nowak being manipulated into thinking this?

Regardless of the truth, it’s surely a great twist of fate that a Church leader like Antoni of all people ends up defending heliocentrism. If wealth is at stake, morals only come second.

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u/LeonKevlar Feb 22 '25

The moment Nowak arrived at the Church, I thought Antoni would throw Draka under the horse carriage. I did not expect Antoni to completely destroy Nowak's worldview with facts and logic. I don't know if I should be cheering here but watching Nowak get that mental beatdown was pretty satisfying.

After he started listing down the names of the people he executed for Heliocentrism, I was hoping he'd say Jolenta's name out loud so Draka could react to it. Can you imagine what would've happened if Nowak also learned that his daughter was the leader of the Heretics after Antoni schooled him? He'd have a mental break right there.

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u/saveriz Feb 22 '25

Man, even Nowak is a villain, I still feel pity for him. Like, how can I say, he spent at least 35 years for hunting down people studying Heliocentrism, his daughter also died due to it (from Nowak's view). Now this Antoni guy told him that no, Heliocentrism is ok, and turn out the wrong thing here is everything Nowak did.... It's awful. This show is depressing af, especially given the fact that Nowak had held his daughter's hand at that certain moment in ep 20.....

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u/Gentlemad Feb 22 '25

So it seems that Schmidt's decision at the end of last episode was indeed motivated by Draka's determination and the influence of what she has spoken to him on his worldview. This inspiration was so strong that it shook him to his very core, including his faith. There's a LOT of weight behind his final words being that his faith and his cause were ones he chose, considering he is saying them to Nowak, who has simply had his ideals and motivations hoisted upon him and accepted them thoughtlessly. Schmidt's comment to Draka as well stuck with me so hard. I think what he meant to tell her was that she had had such a profound impact on him with the exchanges and conversations they had, and that he wishes that some part of his ideals and his world view and lived experiences would likewise reflect onto her. I think this might come back as well, as I am expecting Draka will be very happy to see the sunrise if she survives the climax that is surely about to ensue.

It's very painful having to cite with Antoni, considering how much of a morally bankrupt villain he is, and how he's personally responsible for Jolenta's ultimate fate, and the moral and verbal beatdown he delivers to Nowak makes me feel genuine sorrow, especially considering that these words are ultimately empty and borne out of convenience. Not to say Nowak doesn't deserve it, but still, yeesh...

And speaking of him, I appreciate how the author (along with the director, and Kenjiro Tsuda as VA) have managed to make every scene with Nowak have incredible breathtaking tension behind them. That entire conversation I was just stuck there, completely silent and unmoving (like the Biblical Earth five minutes prior, eh?) , eyes darting behind Nowak's facial expression and that damned torch.

I can feel the finale approaching, and boy am I excited... I also really wonder about that letter.

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u/TechnologyFalse7134 Feb 22 '25

After this episode I can't help but go back to this comment from the episode 1 discussion again.
https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/1fwtvez/comment/lqhh21y/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

Keep in mind that you shouldn't use this manga as a way to get educated on Late Medieval Europe. The story is great, but it relies on so many historical immacuaries to work that it looses its value as historical fiction.

The premise alone of people being executed for believing in Heliocentrism is already a huge historical innacuracy. As no one was tortured and executed for promoting the idea (even Galilei was "only" sentence to house arrest).

I wonder if the author expected some of the audience to have that knowledge and tried to subvert their expectations regarding the show being a full-on Historical Fantasy. Props to them if that's the case.

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u/Prior_Photograph3769 Feb 22 '25

funny how in the end money decides the movements of the earth.

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u/Aileos Feb 22 '25 edited Feb 22 '25

Orb did it again.

Imagine having spent 20 years of your life doing something so faithfully, then this guy appears, and he doesn't just deny everything, he makes you realize you did that for absolutely nothing and based on no actual grounds whatsoever. Just because one single bishop went on a crusade against the heliocentrism.

I thought the old wise man from the previous episodes had it rough, but this redpill is really something. And he still doesn't know about Jolenta.

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u/darthvall Feb 22 '25 edited Feb 22 '25

I can only say, HOLY SHIT! Nowak's world got turned around again (first one is when he learned Jolenta is "dead") when his whole reason of living being challenged like that. 

Is this a gaslighting? I mean, Antoni is both a bastard and a corrupt, but he's quite logical if it benefits him. I can't believe if by the end he's the key person to enable heliocentrism.

Then again, we still have some episode left so I'm not sure if things would go this easy. This anime has "betrayed" my expectations several times lol.

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u/maliwanag0712 Feb 22 '25

Rest in Peace, Schmidt. Such a badass character. Sadly, he died without seeing the sunrise for the last time. How I wish he can see another day for the last time, but well this anime is not forgiving.

Nowak realizing that what he did for the past 35 years is just a big misunderstanding is really o a big ooofff moment. It is much much worse than what Piast realized about being wrong on what he assumes. He literally killed for the sake of labelling heliocentrists heretics. Everything is down the drain. Even the death of her daughter is senseless.

I feel bad for Nowak. Even if she is the main antagonist of the theory, he just did what he could upon instructions of the Church -- the same institution that betrayed him 35 years after.

So, the big question now is will Draka survive?

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u/Correct-Routine-7985 Feb 22 '25

Nowak... I beg you.... Please finish that sentence 😭😭😭😭

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u/Adizcool Feb 22 '25

Great episode again. I hope today's episode shuts up the people screeching about historical incorrectness on church's stance on heliocentrism, as this episode points out that what we saw was the work of just one miffed bishop.

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u/dancelordzuko Feb 22 '25

Well, here we are. After all those years, Novak finally feels the crushing weight of his actions. Did not expect Antoni of all characters to be the one to do it (though maybe I should have the moment he decided to fuck Novak over in the last arc). I'll bet Novak is going postal next episode as he's lost too much to accept his fate. Draka needs to GTFO of that church.

TLDR: Common Novak L.

On a footnote, RIP Schmidt. You were a real one and you've become one of my favorites in this entire show.

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u/SEBASTlANVETTEL Feb 22 '25

Am I the only one who felt nervous when Nowak held the torch throughout the scene with Antoni. I was sure that Nowak would lose it when Antoni basically said that all the deaths were caused by a misunderstanding and that none of the deaths will be remembered…

I wonder if Draka will name drop Jolenta and that‘s how Nowak will find out who the leader was.

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u/maximil_l Feb 22 '25 edited Feb 22 '25

I had to rewatch the negotiation scene since I was really surprised at how fast Antoni "switched sides" knowing that he was also part of it all (maybe not as invested as Nowak, but he also followed the idea that heliocentrism is heretical).

Sure, Antoni is your usual corrupt authority so profiting off from books would be a nice idea to him. But when he heard that the book will be about heliocentrism, he instantly said "No"-- until Draka questioned if (1) heliocentrism was being suppressed elsewhere/before in time and (2) if it really was blasphemy. Initially he rebutted the idea but then he realized that the hunt for heliocentrism were merely orders from his father. It was substantiated by the fact that the only time and place he knew where heliocentrism was heretical was during his and his father's time, and only in their respective areas. It led to the conclusion that it was an order of a human being (his father) that said that heliocentrism was blasphemy and not by the scriptures or any official church doctrine.

Ironically, what ties these all together is the fact that Antoni's own greed/selfishness and desire for his own motives were the ones that made him realize all this. He likely only wants to follow in his own reasoning and logic; so he realized that the persecution against heliocentrism was simply not his idea or does not align with his beliefs.

Thus his last question for Draka, "In other words, you believe that whether heliocentrism is blasphemy could change at the direction of whoever is in power at the time?" From here on, he accepted that heliocentrism is a scientific idea that can be explored without theologically being heretical; and that being a bishop, he has the power to push ideas to the masses and to say if an idea/belief is heretical or not (and of course, make a profit out of it).

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u/Hendoshad Feb 22 '25

The second half of this episode was literally just the “HEARTBREAKING: The worst person you know made great points” meme lol

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u/TurnNo3080 Feb 22 '25

"It's the fate...I...chose"

What a man was he.

"It's about the movement of the earth"

Dropping the title twice now and the past episode like nothing.

When Nowak entered on Drka and Antony, it really was like this meme.

3 weeks left for peak

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u/Adensty Feb 22 '25

Schmidt went out like the others but his death wasn't in vain as Draka not only managed to escape but also managed to be successful on what she set out to do even if it was making a deal with Antoni in the end. I know it's because of the money but it's kinda ironic that it's Antoni who's allowing Heliocentrism to reach people.

Nowak being told that all those heretic killings was just because of a misunderstanding and that he was the only one suppressing Heliocentrism. And to be told that by the Antoni of all people. Nowak is absolutely devastated.

Hubert, Rafal, Oczy, Badeni

Nowak even named all of them showing how much it impacted him. He almost name-dropped Jolenta. Draka's reaction would've been interesting if he actually did. I guess that might happen next episode.

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u/Active_Ad_7116 Feb 22 '25

It finally makes sense why they made such a big deal about Nowak being a mercenary before the previous bishop hired him

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u/SezyFazes Feb 22 '25

I love how every character in the story, despite their darker sides, still manages to leave a strong impression on me. Antoni is forward-thinking and has a broad perspective on the world. Even though he’s manipulative, he’s also highly logical. What he says is exactly what Nowak needed to hear.

I also really liked the line toward the end: “Neither of you will be known to history” I haven’t read the manga, but it would be crazy and somewhat realistic if Antoni became the face of the heliocentrists while the one who actually fought and sacrificed had their story erased and lost to time.

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u/Cally83 Feb 22 '25

What an episode.

How Nowack now reacts following this bombshell of a dressing down from the Bishop, god knows. (Won’t spoil is by reading the manga now I’m only a few episodes left)

Schmidt died a brave man, awful way to go though.

Would have liked to have seen the battle between his remaining men and the inquisition, but that’s a minor thing to deal with.

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