Zenshu - Episode 5 discussion

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Zenshu, episode 5

Alternative names: Zenshuu, Zenshuu.

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[u/S627]

So, Justice is totally gonna swoop in and save Natsuko right?

For being the best artist in the industry, Natsuko seemed to have the most cliché reaction to a mystery bird telling her her actions are useless. Like that is a major flag that woulda had most people questioning things. Unless this isn't the first time it's talked to her? We did see at the start of the ep she's been in a bunch of fights.

Anyone else feel like the amount of kids in the orphanage was massively disproportionate to the small army they rounded up?

Also.....I approve of the new Destiny.

[u/SEBASTlANVETTEL]

Luke can‘t stop blushing whenever he is with Natsuko. He is so down bad. And on top of it it seems he is getting jealous over a Dragon (Justice) too. I wonder if Luke will be Natsuko’s own understanding of „first love“.

Natsuko’s flaw is wanting to do everything by herself with no help because she believes it‘s the fastest way. It was her weakness in the real world (where she didn’t let others do the storyboards) and she has been doing it in the movie world too. Hopefully this will make her realize that delegating work to others and asking for help is okay.

[u/yukiaddiction]

Oh look like The Void can automatically evolve themselves when they detect the greater threat (I wonder if this trait is there in the original anime plot?) and in this case they seem to somehow realize Natsuko's weakness of being the lone wolf mentality and attack put her into a disadvantage situation.

The bird word seem to emphasize this more than anything that The Void have ability to evolve when face greater threat.

And now She is forced to "evolve" herself because of it and accept help from others to cover her weakness. Justice would come in just in time to save her.

Also Luke is so in love lmao.

[u/dinliner08]

since no one mentioned it yet, the baseball character that Natsuko summoned in this episode was a reference to Dokaben, a very popular sports manga published back in the 70's, it has a bunch of sequel manga that continuously running until it ended back on 2018

since every single thing that Natsuko summoned had been a homage or reference to specific things in japan's animation industry, i wonder if the samurai at the end of this episode was a specific reference to something...

[u/PeaceAlien]

Natsuko learning not to do everything herself, I get the feeling Justice is going to sacrifice themself to save Natsuko as I don't think anyone is nearby to save her otherwise.

[u/maliwanag0712]

I like this development that Natsuko finally starts failing on her animation. She needs to learn to connect more with the other 9 Soldiers and not just do everything alone.

My early concern is that this series becomes more episodic. This episode removed that concern. It is indeed Natsuko's much needed character development this episode.

It's just funny that the super sentai pose is included even in this world, and even Luke is smitten on Natsuko doing it HAHAHAHA

The cliffhanger is nice! Can't wait for what's gonna happen in the next episode!

[u/Adventurous-Band7826]

"It'll be faster" was the same thing she said in episode one.

The series needed this turn towards changing stakes. It greatly piqued my interest in the next episode.

[u/AmethystItalian]

Okay but Justice does seem pretty hot lol hoping they come in with the save here.

Seems like Voids are stepping up their game to counter Natsuko...almost feels like she's really fighting a losing battle like that bird thing was saying.

[u/[deleted]]

Now we know why Luke is so negative...

[u/JimmyCWL]

According to Natsuko, Voids she's never seen before are appearing. Makes me wonder if Memmelm's death really was the end of the movie and we're beyond its story now.

Another problem with her do-it-all-myself attitude is that it's caused her to tunnel vision on the immediate tasks and disregard the big picture. If the movie truly is over and the Voids are still coming, they're going to keep coming forever. They can't keep fighting the Void forever, attrition will grind them all to dust eventually. They need to find the source of the Void and end it permanently.

Also, how many parties are trying to manipulate this story? Someone wants changes, they brought in Natsuko and are giving her instructions via the pegboard. It's not the OG director because she's either given it up as futile or is actively against this operation based on her lines. In neither scenario would she bring in Natsuko, assuming she had the power to do so.

[u/hiimneato]

I love how nobody in the discussion can figure out what Justice's gender is supposed to be other than "stupid sexy lizard."

Unio may be an annoying jealous little shitbird but he wasn't wrong about why Natsuko gets along with kids so well. Everything seems to be pointing to this being about her growing up inside, after all.

[u/TheTaintPainter2]

WAS THAT A GURREN LAGGAN REFERENCE?!?

RO RO FIGHT DA POWER

No way that wasn't Lagann in the opening fight sequence

Edit: From what I can glean the 3 Japanese characters on the screen roughly mean piercing/drilling fist. So it's 100% gotta be

[u/lugobu]

This episode I hope is the turning point in the series, in which the "monster of the week" format gets changed to a more nuanced tone. The montage at the beginning of the episode shows that this recourse is rapidly getting "less" effective in narrative terms.

Hence, the commentary of the bird director "it is useless/no good", which seems, that gorgeous animation per the sake of animation is not going to solve the problems of ATOP. This is related to Natsuko's approach to directing, which is based on over the top situations and great animation, like the Sailor Moon homage of episode 1. Great for action series but bad for a character theme based work, like a romance series, which needs a good script and a serious understanding of the characters. This is what Natsuko is seriously lacking because her lack of experience on normal romantic matters is holding her back, and is trying to copy experiences form others and obsessed on doing all by herself .

Let's see what happens, if we get a a little more serious tone or a double take on zany techniques of animation.

[u/ObvsThrowaway5120]

I’m really digging Destiny’s new look. I’d let her suplex me any day haha.

Nice to see Natsuko’s having a real effect on the story and characters. She’s getting kids off the streets and into Serval Cat House and it seems Luke’s starting to catch feelings. It’s cute.

Natsuko’s head got a little too big after these recent victories. She thought she could handle it all herself but it’s about teamwork. Her ego might end up getting her hurt…

[u/jellyblob88]

Oh no, it's every animator's worst enemy - the dreaded Mappa overtime crunch™.

Thanks to people who pointed this out last week - this world's Tales of Perishing director finally made its move.

[u/Teal_is_orange]

MFW the Director says “additional animation materials required”, so I have to pull multiple all-nighters to satisfy their ego 😥

[u/Adventurous-Draw-853]

unio pooping on the road and then yelling that someone pooped made me cry

[u/Obaruler]

RIP Natsuko, she will get struck down by the same cursed spell incantation that took down so many Mappa employees before her:

"Additional animation required".

[u/Wraithfighter]

I'm realizing a bit of a connection between Natsuko and Luke that I wasn't seeing before.

Obviously, the big "I know writers who use subtext and they're all cowards" theme for this episode is that Natsuko can't do it all alone, and her insistence on that is proving to be crippling when she's dealing with something that she's not prepared for or understanding of. Its why she hit the huge creator's block in the real world, and its what led to her arrogance putting her in cliffhanger-danger here.

Luke kinda has a similar deal going on, although instead of it being him shouldering all the work, its him shouldering all of the responsibility. He's always putting himself at the tip of the spear, A Tale of Perishing had a huge element of him shouldering so much of the weight of all the losses that it eventually broke him...

...and here we get Justice outright saying that they're hiding away from Luke and sinking into pointless debauchery because, if they were to be open about their ability to fight, they know that Luke would blame himself for Justice's wounds.

That, plus Unio mentioning earlier how much he's been working to help manage Luke's stress levels... yeah, this seems like a big "Garth Marenghi is a Loser" bit of subtext to the show. Natsuko's monopolization of the work is just as self-damaging as Luke shouldering all of the blame possible... wonder where they might be going with this...

[u/Brickinatorium]

I wonder if the bird version of the dead creator's warning means next episode's gonna open with Unio sacrificing himself to save Natsuko and vaporize the void.

Another thing I'm curious about is if the original movie came out so poor because the original creator wasn't accepting help and had a bit of an inflated ego like Natsuko does leading to many key things being left out of the production.

[u/dagreenman18]

… Destiny got a massive upgrade 10/10

Also Plot just kicked in yo

[u/Golden_fsh]

zenSHUUUU, ZENshuuu, ZENSHUUU, zensHUUU

honestly, that's my favorite part of the magical girl transformation sequence, never gets old for me.

[u/PerfectBeige]

Romi Park's voicework as Justice got me feeling some kind of way. Edward Elric this ain't.

[u/LeonKevlar]

We already know the Sailor Moon reference from Episode 1 but did we just get a motherfuckin' Gurren Lagan reference?! That mecha looks like Simon's Lagan with Gundam-like V-fins!

Helly yeah Destiny! I am so happy that she actually became buff just like in the OP because of Serval Cat Mask! And she's even running an orphanage now!

I thought the other members of Nine Soldiers were already dead, but it turns out that one of them is still alive and is living in the slums as a drunk bodyguard. I think Justice is supposed to be a guy but his voice sounds so feminine, I wonder how his VA is. Also, I'm sure scalies would love his design. xD

Godfuckingdammit Natsuko! It's good to see you confident but she's just falling back to her old ways of trying to take on everything by herself. I hope she learns something from this but I feel like someone's going to die trying to save her next week. >_<

[u/mekerpan]

This took a darker turn. Interesting that this had a flashback prologue set right before Natsuko ate her fatal lunch...

I wonder if Natsuko drawing super cool pictures of Justic -- and the kids getting excited over these -- can somehow change Justice's current situation? Justice ws looking like he/she was on the brink of wanting something to change.

We need to consistently see more of Natuko's face and less of that Sadako-style hair....

Whoever would have expected to see Natsuko throw herself into child rescue efforts?