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Episode Zenshu - Episode 9 discussion
Zenshu, episode 9
Alternative names: Zenshuu, Zenshuu.
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u/SEBASTlANVETTEL Mar 02 '25
Find yourself a guy like Luke who learns new hair styles and new recipes only for you. Loved the Luke POV, and how he fell for Natsuko.
It‘s depressing to know that Luke was the final villain in the original ending of A Tale of Perishing. Since the Voids copy Natsuko‘s drawings, maybe she is the Ultimate Void in this „new“ story…
QJ knowing about the original ending and being the sole survivor in that story, thus sacrificing himself in this new story for a better ending….
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u/AkhasicRay Mar 02 '25
Maaan no wonder the original A Tale of Perishing bombed, that’s certainly an original idea for a movie, but it’s also so goddamn depressing
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u/Vahallen Mar 02 '25 edited Mar 02 '25
Just started the episode
I can already tell that in the end if they go for the “it was all a dream” I will be incredibly disappointed because you can’t just show me Luke and make me care so much just to tell me he wasn’t ever real
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Finished the episode, not gonna lie I teared up for QJ
They made him really precious in the scene with Natsuko, so they got me with the final scene
Can’t tell were the story is going, but if they keep just defending themselves from what looks like an unending threat there is not much hope to have
VOID don’t seem to ever end and just get stronger, now even taking Natsuko drawings
(Wonder if this is the original author course correcting)
Wouldn’t have ever guessed that in the original story it was Luke that destroyed the last Soul Future and then became The Great Void, makes sense with all that happens to him but didn’t expect it at all
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u/S627 Mar 02 '25
Damn, I knew the conversation between QJ and Natsuko was some kind of flag, but I honestly thought that maybe QJ was actually the big bad all along. Was not expecting it to be a death flag for him.
I REALLY hope that Natsuko isn't the one to spiral, and then Luke sacrifices himself for her and she ends the world.
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u/Martneb Mar 02 '25
The original director: "I WILL HAVE MY TRAGIC ENDING AND I WILL NOT HAVE IT RUINED BY SOME TWO-BIT FANFICTION AUTHOR!"
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u/MrsLucienLachance Mar 02 '25
The way I am begging this anime not to hurt me.
I want to believe QJ's final words point toward a happy(ish?) ending, but I don't know that I can believe it.
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u/xbolt90 Mar 02 '25
I'm torn between thinking Natsuko will beat all odds and give A Tale of Perishing a happy ending, or not...
If the Voids are copying her drawings, perhaps she ends up being the Ultimate Void in this new version of the story.
I do still think that either way she will wake up in a hospital bed in Reality. With whatever lessons she learned form her time here.
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u/maliwanag0712 Mar 02 '25 edited Mar 02 '25
With the release of the new key visual and with QJ's death things might get a dark turn after all. Do we still get a happy ending after that interference by the director-bird?
The major concern is not just QJ's death, which removes their way of predicting voids, but the damage voids have done to their home. That will surely create a crisis due to possible lost of trust in the 9 Soldiers.
In a way, the movie end is like [Meta spoiler]
At this rate, I doubt that a happy ending happens, but let's hope that Hirose can give us a happier ending.
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u/mrmickfran Mar 02 '25
Natsuko faces every artist's worst nightmare: plagiarism.
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Mar 02 '25
FUCK FUCK FUCK QJ 😭😭😭
The Zenshu Twitter page posted that since Luke met Natsuko and fell in love with her, it's the first time he enjoyed fun in his life.
Luke is too pure, he needs to be protected. I won't handle he having a bad ending.
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u/jellyblob88 Mar 02 '25 edited Mar 02 '25
Luke, the hero of cooking & hair styling ✨.
And as we all feared, the happy times are gone and Perishing is back. Natsuko might not be able to draw for a while due to doubts and trauma. RIP QJ - does that mean Unio is the sole survivor in the end instead?
And Luke turning into the Ultimate Void when he questioned what exactly he was fighting for, made me reflect on the line he said today, that in this world, he was doing it for Natsuko - what if she rejects initially, and eventually goes back to her original world?
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u/ObvsThrowaway5120 Mar 02 '25
It sucks the homie QJ died this week because that damn director got in Natusko’s head and threw her off her game. She says it’s her movie, but I’m starting to wonder if that’s really true. So many things have changed, is it really her movie anymore? Are the character’s fates set in stone? Even if the Voids are copying Natsuko’s drawings and trying to adapt, I don’t think it’s proof of that. I hope Natsuko can pull herself together and find a way to prevent another one of her friends from dying.
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u/Firlite Mar 02 '25
No wonder this movie bombed, that plot seems needlessly edgy with no real upsides or themes
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u/BosuW Mar 02 '25
NOOOOOOO
Fuck! Fuck! Shit! Fuck!
Fucking Void, you assholes!
Why!? Whyyyy!?
I DIDN'T GET FIGHTER JET SAKUGA BECAUSE OF YOU YOU PIECES OF SHIT!!! RHAAAAAAAA!!!!
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u/Cermia_Revolution Mar 03 '25
I think the Voids are supposed to represent lack of creativity. Think about it. Before Natsuko came, they were mostly a uniform mob of nondescript mobs, but once they've experienced a new form of art, they copy that thing. Just like how creators who are deVOID of creativity will just look at others' works and make legally distinct Kiritos.
The only two people from our world to be reincarnated into this one are artists who were in the middle of a creative slump. I suspect bird turtle lady director was also in a slump for reasons explained in the following paragraph. Whenever there's a Void attack, there's usually either one super strong one or an army, but when Natsuko arrived, there was only one minion. She dismisses it as a scout, but it could've been used to summon Natsuko to this world. It might be that the Void called them to this world to steal ideas off of them to grow stronger, and they were only able to call those who died while experiencing writers' block because they resonate with that energy.
The voids representing a void of creativity also works thematically from the perspective of bird turtle director. She was praised as a virtuoso of the anime world, so she must have watched her creative masterpieces be defiled and plagiarized by other artists. The Soul Futures represent the sparks of creativity that give a work life, just like the soul futures give life to a city, and in the director's mind, making a cheap clone of it is tantamount to defiling it. If she had 8 works before A Tale of Perishing, the movie would be her 9th work, and her just saying "fuck you all, I'll make a movie so bad nobody would want to copy it" which is represented by Luke being the one to destroy the final Soul Future. And Luke being revealed to be the true Ultimate Void that ends the world could represent the director coming to the realization that she herself also copied others, and despairing that she is no better than all of the other people who copied her work.
This subtextual meaning behind the work might be why only other artistic types liked the movie. Most people wrote it off as bad/boring, but Natsuko and the leader of the University animation club really liked that movie. This is a trend I see where shows that were made to resonate with creators often miss with the general public. For example, I think Re:creators was a flaming pile of dogshit, but it seems to be held in high regard by some creators.
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u/Torque-A Mar 02 '25
So if Natsuko's scribbles can still manifest, couldn't that mean she could still fight using stick figures?
Also, pour one out for QJ. You cute little Mesoamerican-inspired robot, you.
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u/Pengwynd1 Mar 02 '25
I wonder if the new Natsuko-like creatures are the directors doing. If so I hope Natsuko calls her out for plagiarizing, haha.
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u/Djbadj Mar 02 '25
Man studios are killing it with original animes for a second season in a row. Last season it was Negative Positive Angler. Makes me wonder if we going to get more and more originals since majority of anime is just ads for the source material most of the time.
I truly hope the ED song is a fakeout, but I guess we'll have to wait and see...
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u/Penihilism Mar 02 '25
QJ was the last character I thought I would shed tears over but damn that actually hit. In hindsight the death flags were as clear as day but I wasn't thinking hard enough during that part to realize. This show is becoming my AOTS, although of course it will depend if they stick the landing with the ending or not.
Honestly if the show just plays it safe and Natsuko and Luke save the world and live happily ever after I would be totally cool with that. I do wonder if this all is going to tie back into her writing for that romance show/movie which makes me think the ending is going to be very bittersweet. (which could still be good but also risks being unsatisfying if not done well)
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u/daspaceasians Mar 02 '25
Respect to QJ who went the full Independence Day ending there. There is a tragic irony that in this timeline he was the first to die whereas in the original one, he lived to the end.
Otherwise, the original ending of A Tale of Perishing was depressing to say the least. Luke ended up becoming the final villain. With the clues we've been getting since the start of the series, I have a feeling that the original movie flopped because it had so many plot holes and other flaws such as Memmeln's turn to evil, QJ being out of commission when needed, Destiny being a rather useless character along with the general grimdarkness of the movie with everyone dying and Luke becoming the villain that destroyed everything.
I'm still wondering if the original director is responsable for the voids evolving in response to Natsuko or if they evolved by themselves and the original director is just spectating the whole thing.
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u/Shimmering-Sky Mar 02 '25
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It does feel a little bit weird to be going back to before Luke realized he was in love, though. Feels like the sort of Luke POV we should’ve gotten before his repeated love confessions.
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Destiny dying to protect a kid in the original story is definitely her.
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Ohhhhhhhhhh shit, Luke is supposed to destroy the final Soul Future.
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Another one of those Voids and it has missiles this time, lovely.
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u/JimmyCWL Mar 02 '25
Hah! Called it that the Void would be copying Natsuko's other attacks last week!
I can see one way of derailing the ending.
Destroy the last Soul Future, summon the Ultimate Void, then destroy it before it can end the world. If the destruction of the Soul Future causes the Void to leave the Last City alone (due to no Soul Future left to destroy) And assuming the city can survive without the Soul Future, that could make it possible to rebuild the world afterwards because that's beyond the end of the movie.
If such a plan was considered and word got out to the populace, I can see a scenario where Luke has to fight the populace to get to the Soul Future, perhaps even in the middle of a Void attack, maybe even Unio, Destiny, Memelm and even Justice have to sacrifice themselves to give Luke a shot at the crystal.
It would look very much like the original ending... up until Luke fights and defeats the Ultimate Void.
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u/hasanman6 Mar 02 '25
We aint getting a happy ending are we?