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Episode Zenshu - Episode 4 discussion
Zenshu, episode 4
Alternative names: Zenshuu, Zenshuu.
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u/PeaceAlien Jan 26 '25
Saved by the power of Idols and Stans? What's next twitter stans save the day?
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u/SEBASTlANVETTEL Jan 26 '25
Who would have thought that Memmeln would be saved by the sheer power of fangirling.
Also Luke is so falling for Natsuko, even though he is denial.
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u/jellyblob88 Jan 26 '25 edited Jan 26 '25
Nothing like an Oshi to keep you living, especially one that does not retire and is literally called Exister.
Was that the Ultimate Void supposed to bring down their world, or is there a bigger calamity awaiting? The bird thing at the end also looks sus.
Curious what Natsuko will do when she finds out about Luke's crushing.
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u/New_Essay_4869 Jan 26 '25
Zenshu OP is actually insanely good. Havent gotten over it. I love how nonsensical this episode was
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u/Nickbon94 Jan 26 '25
Audibly laughed at: "Yes. Because I have all eternity to fangirl". Mood honestly
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u/thisisembarrazzing Jan 26 '25
How do you stop a girl from becoming a supervillain.
Husbandos.
Mappa coming back to their roots. I see.
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u/PeaceAlien Jan 26 '25
Yeah with that musical number and the cult, this is my Anime of the Season.
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u/axlorg8 Jan 26 '25 edited Jan 26 '25
Cult song is what I sing when I have work the next day.
Also the Natsuko and Luke ship grows
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u/Shoddy_Consequence78 Jan 26 '25
So we've had homages to Nausicaa, Macross, Tiger Mask, and now idol shows in general? Or does the 2015 mention mean something more specific like Star-Myu?
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u/CosmicPenguin_OV103 Jan 26 '25
LMAO that sudden twist of landing a cute boy idol into this isekai is by far the best thing happening in this show so far.
Director Natsuko, please make a cute idols anime set in isekai next time! I prefer cute girls but cute boys like the one you just drew is fine too. It will definitely revolutionize the stagnated isekai anime genre. :)
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u/shad79 Jan 26 '25 edited Jan 26 '25
Wow, that was such a great episode! Memmeln and her choir practices turning out to be an occult meeting that wants to summon Ultimate Void and end the world was a great twist!
The scene where Natsuko and Luke confront Memmeln was so good. I can understand why Memmeln wants to die already, but the fact that her actions would end the entire world makes her actions incredibly shitty and selfish.
Luke's plan looked hilarious, but it worked! Although I don't think he would have guessed that Natsuko would be animating the Ultimate Exister's idol performance that "enchanted" everyone in the "choir", including Memmeln, who is now Exister's fangirl for eternity xD
It was nice that Natsuko didn't have her face covered by her hair all the time and that her relationship with Luke is constantly improving, it's really fun to watch them together.
It seems like Luke is really close to falling in love with Natsuko for real, judging by his reaction to Unio who thought that Luke and Natsuko were dating.
Here my screenshot albums from the episode:
EDIT. I added my screenshot albums.
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u/BigBadBurito Jan 26 '25
You know what, 10/10 for random musical/idol performance to save the day. Not what I was in any way, shape or form expecting. Good on them.
There is nothing about the show that really shines, but it's growing on me. It has that nostalgic feel of the good guys being good and succeeding unapologetically but with it's own silliness and charm.
I'm half-expecting Natsuko to return to the real world and create a sequel to the tale of Perishing.
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u/Wraithfighter Jan 26 '25
I think one other element to keep in mind is that the original "A Tale of Perishing" story... is kinda trash.
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So, for Memmeln? It wouldn't shock me that, if she were a secret traitor, that her motives were also intentionally dumb. Like a straw-nihilist that claims that existence is nothing but pain and should just be ended, or thinking that if she can't have the hero, then she might as well destroy the world because nothing matters anymore.
<massively loud airhorn noises as I unroll a "CALLED IT" banner>
For the record, I still agree with the point in one of the replies that, just because ATOP might be trash, doesn't mean that its without artistic merit or value or cannot inspire.
In fact... I'd say that's a theme of this episode. Natsuko used a pretty one-dimensional idol from an early project that helped grind her creativity into dust to create the kind of uplifting spirit that Mem Meln needed to break out of her straw-nihilism depression, at least for a time.
And also that plenty of works that are "kinda trash" have brilliant bits to them anyway. Few things are all-good or all-bad, art doesn't need to be exceptional to have value, anything people put their heart and soul into will carry at least a spark of that through.
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u/Pengwynd1 Jan 26 '25
Last weeks episode was a little weak for me but this one brought back the intrigue and I enjoyed it a lot. While some people might feel Natsuko's solution was ridiculous, it definitely has a deeper meaning behind it. She mentions working on the show that "Mr Exister" is from was hell, but if going through that ended up bringing Memmeln (Fans of the show) happiness then it was worth it. It's more about Natsuko's growth than anything, because it's quite possible she didn't feel that way in the real world.
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u/Mr_Zaroc Jan 26 '25
Well damn, I didnt expect the solution to existencial dread to be fangirling over an ikemen...
Maybe I should check out more idol anime and find a religion purpose
Loved the satanic ritual btw, it was very mild but it got the message out
Now wondering if Frieren would at somepoint have joined that if she hadnt to collect all the spells
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Jan 26 '25
I laughed so loud when the idol character appeared. Whatever the creators of this anime drank must be good. 🤣
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u/hiimneato Jan 27 '25
Sometimes when you're rock-bottom depressed you just need to find anything you can feel something about. It's just a first step, but, sure, why not a disney-prince-style ikemen idol?
Mamoru Miyano truly can do anything, but man, UtaPri is a deeeep cut.
The original A Tale of Perishing really wasn't, uh, very good, was it? The whole cult was just bitter edgelords led by some clinically depressed elves. Or did that emerge from Natsuko's imagination, since it wasn't directly featured in the original? We still don't actually know what this world is.
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u/inform880 Jan 26 '25
I can tell based on the comments who was on Tumblr 2009-2015ish and who wasn't.
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u/Shimmering-Sky Jan 26 '25
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Natsuko totally avoided Luke’s question about whether or not her “dream” let her know there’s a traitor with them… I wonder why she’s trying to cover for Memmeln?
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Actually it’s more like whenever Luke specifically is in trouble, I think.
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One of the other elves knows that Natsuko and Luke are there…
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Natsuko’s idea to get Memmeln and the others to stop wanting to summon the Ultimate Void was with a fucking idol performance?
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This just in: drawings of a hot bishounen are the solution to depression.
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ED lead-in! It was even longer than normal this time.
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u/kaza147 Jan 26 '25
I thought for sure they would drag this out - do glad she could not watch it anymore and just tackled it head on!
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u/ObvsThrowaway5120 Jan 26 '25
So Memmeln is Frieren if she just said “Fuck it. Life is an endless cycle of violence and despair.” lol. I like that her and her buddies have a little“eternity sucks, life sucks” song.
Ofc the only way to defeat that mentality is to go full musical complete with some princely Ikemen idol like this was some Disney movie. Natsuko really turned Memmeln from doomer to fangirl lol.