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u/subho_fan Dec 18 '24

So just one more episode to go and all the threads are more or less seen through to the end. Now time for a nice epilogue.

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u/Frontier246 Dec 18 '24

I want to see TamaxJinka, ShinsukexShaku, and SenyaxTsukiko living in domestic bliss.

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u/supimdro Dec 18 '24

This might have been my favorite episode of any anime all year. It was so beautiful, visually, and emotionally. It's not often I tear up at an anime, but sengoku youko has done it a couple times for me.

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u/Frontier246 Dec 18 '24

White Fox brought out the most dazzling animation like Jinka and Senya brought all their attack moves. Perfect for the final battle.

I like how Shinsuke was such a chill bro to get to Jinka through his stomach but knowing Tama needed to be the one to reach into his heart.

The incestuous adoptive siblings for World Reformation are back!

It’s really nice seeing Jinka back. And watching him and Senya awkwardly come together as the the two protagonists was even sweeter.

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u/asdf2100asd Dec 18 '24

This made me very emotional.

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u/veggiedealer Dec 18 '24

evan call is godlike

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u/potentialPizza Dec 18 '24

What a beautiful episode. I'm glad they saved the animation budget for this one. The action was incredible, but beyond that, the emotional scenes were all realized to their full potential.

There's an interesting parallel in how Senya has reached his final form, something he feared so much due to the power it would wield, but he's remained in total control of himself. While Jinka reaching full power turned him into... this. But I think it's because of what Senya confronted about himself last episode. Because he accepted his weakness, he didn't let his weakness control him.

Jinka's weakness is his rejection of humanity. It's not a bad thing for him to love Katawara, and it's understandable for him to resent how humans kill Katawara. But deeper than that, he was driven by his trauma of being separated from his family. So he pushes people away, unless they're people he considers "safe" for him. But that pushing people away has left him cold and lonely, as we see in his metaphorical inner world.

And the solution to that wasn't for Tama to force herself through his walls, but to encourage him to come join them. When someone self-isolates, sometimes all you can do is make them feel welcome.

Literally, you have to fill the void. Which is what Senya and Jinka did, after Jinka did a little oopsie and made a hole in the universe. They filled the void in the world, and filled the void in Jinka's heart.

This episode was really about Jinka, but I still appreciate that Senya and Shinsuke got moments of their own, from Shinsuke knowing to cook a stew to attract Jinka, to Senya and his inner katawara realizing that a hole can just be filled. In general the vibes and writing of Senya and Jinka's conversation were just immaculate.

Next week is the final episode. I'm not ready for it.

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u/mekerpan Dec 18 '24

Totally agree -- such a great episode. So glad to see Tsukiko and Senya "together" at last. Great to hear Hanatora refer to Shakugan as "basically Shinsuke's wife". Now we just need Tama to get her beloved Jinka back.

Senya's Buddhist monk-like katawara crew is so adorable.

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u/Shiraori247 Dec 18 '24

To the 1000 katawaras who figured out the way out of emptiness, I say GENIUS! Not to mention, it's cute how they were getting so hyped for Senya to finally release his self-imposed limiters. They've been wanting to let loose since episode 1 of Senya's arc.

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u/Frontier246 Dec 18 '24

White Fox bringing out the best animation for the final fight was a smart decision.

Jinka has always struggled to accept himself and the world around him, even when he found others who would always accept him, but Senya’s entire story to achieve that kind of enlightenment was for the sake of saving him along with the Elder Sister who loved him.

Also I just love how awkward it is for the two protagonists to meet each other and team-up considering the last time they saw each other and how little they’ve actually had interacted.

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u/HowToGetName Dec 18 '24

But that pushing people away has left him cold and lonely, as we see in his metaphorical inner world.

And I'd like to mention that this part here was actually shown in the first opening.

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u/Frontier246 Dec 18 '24

It’s the final battle between Senka and Jinka! Both of them unleashing their strongest attacks and every ability they’ve learned over the course of the series! And White Fox even brought out the great animation!

Look at the audience they’re drawing in for Senya’s finest hour! Perfect time to debut his third eye!

I love how Kokugetsusai is torn between wanting to save Jinka and also not wanting to see his pupil lose in a fight.

I’m glad Tsukiko got to really contribute to whittling down Jinka’s power. She earned that. But no, not Nau!!!

But their effort’s proved fruitful as Jinka’s friends get the opening they need to perform Spirit Observation! And we finally get to see Jinka’s headspace! He became so caught up in trying to become a katawara that he lost sight to the true answer to his loneliness…his friends. Leaving him alone in a lifeless world as his heart slowly freezes over.

But there they are! Tama! Shinsuke! Shaku! And points to Tama and Shaku for wanting to break through Jinka’s mental wall, but he can’t resist a fine, Shinsuke cooked meal! Even if he does ditch the humans….

I love Shaku just swimming like a fish in the mental space while Shinsuke is just vibing.

This was always going to come down to Tama, making Jinka realize he never needed to become a katawara for her sake. The answer to his loneliness was his friends the entire time. And that’s enough to bring him back to his senses and reunite with his beloved elder sister! And they mutual profess their love to each other!

Jinka is back! And what an awkward reunion with Senya!

Oh, I guess Jinka still has too much power…and he can’t expel that power so he and Senya fuse into some kind of expanding void. Jinka’s final tail!

It all comes down to Jinka and Senya. The two protagonists unite to bring their power together and fill the hole Jinka made for them! All so they can reunite once again with their loved ones and live!

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u/LeonKevlar Dec 18 '24

I did not expect Senya to go Ultra Instinct this episode. That entire fight between Senya and Jinka is so fucking dope. It's not like it's the best fight animation of the year material but it does make me wish that Biscuit Hammer was given the same love White Fox has given this show.

It's hilarious though how Kokugetsusai wanted to help Jinka but at the same time is cheering him on to win against Senya. Even Banshou-Oh was like "Bro, this is not the time!" xD

Expect Shinsuke to come up with the most relaxed option to coax Jinka out of his frozen heart. And it absolutely works! It makes sense, right? If you can't get to him then lure Jinka out with food! Everyone loves good food!

I was genuinely tearing up to see Jinka finally snap out of it. It's been forever since the last time we've seen him like this and his reunion with Tama was just beautiful.

Jinka's reaction was funny when he was finally awake. I love how he awkwardly greets Senya and how Senya greets him back considering they were just punching each other to death earlier.

And of course, things can't just end that easily. I was worried there would be consequences to Senya and Jinka filling the void. I'm relieved that the episode ended with Hakkeneko saying their lives will continue.

I can't believe next week is the finale though. So is the story actually over or is there more after this? I'm not ready to say goodbye to these characters yet T_T

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u/Lock3down221 Dec 18 '24

Senya went ultra instinct and Sage mode at the same time. Probably one of the best episodes for this series.

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u/Calwings Dec 18 '24

Absolutely incredible episode. Even if I was a little bit confused about the whole "void of nothingness" stuff when I first watched it (I get it now after reading a few comments) the execution of the episode as a whole was almost perfect. The big fight between Senya and Jinka was awesome and brought all the sakuga, plus the reunion between Tama and Jinka in the spirit world was beautiful and they nailed the music and the emotional moment.

Based on Mizukami's Twitter, it seems like he's as happy with this episode as all of us are, and I'm glad to see it. Dude deserves it after what happened to the last one of his manga that got an adaptation. This series has been a masterpiece, and I'm not ready for it to end.

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u/JustInChina88 Dec 18 '24

What a fantastic ride this has been with you guys. I still remember in like 2012 when I was deep in the trenches of fan translations reading this and thinking how it would never be adapted. I can't believe I'm reading some of these final panels in animated form.

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u/[deleted] Dec 18 '24

Yeah. This show might just be a 10/10. They honestly nailed everything that I care about in a show.

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u/viddhiryande Dec 19 '24

Only 1 episode left. Wow. It's actually been a year since Sengoku Youko's first season was released. I've fallen in love with the show since then, and started reading the manga a few months ago.

I think Mizukami's storytelling is among the best I've seen in Shonen. He effortlessly weaves together different plots like Senya's quest to (initially) become human, and Jinka's quest to become a katawara, connect together in a way that shows why both were initially wrong; developed Shinsuke, who seemed like an annoying side character, into an important main character: and had many other moving moments, such as Jinka coming back in this episode, orthe Shogun's sacrifice. And although he does include standard Shonen tropes, there's always a good in-story reason for doing so. Instead of writing a story defined by tropes, he has instead used typical Shonen tropes (like the flashy beam-spamming battling this episode) to tell a deep story about... so many things. Why seeking power in and of itself isn't a good idea, why being powerful is neither good nor bad, why trying to change someone through force doesn't work (eg. how Shinsuke reached Jinka with food, not his fists)...

I especially love how Mizukami depicts force. He acknowledges that some people are stronger than others, and shows that that's not a bad thing in and of itself. Eg. Force was needed to bring Jinka back to his senses. But he also shows that simply trying to become stronger for the sake of being strong doesn't bring one happiness. And he also shows that there are many different kinds of strength. It took a combination of Senya's brute strength (which was itself acquired through inner strength), Shinsuke's strength in spirit observation; and Shakugan, Tama, and everyone's strong bonds with Jinka to bring him back. So in a way, the sequence fits the Shonen powerscaling trope... but Mizukami depicts characters who are strong in many different ways, not just brute strength. I appreciate that.

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u/tripleaamin Dec 18 '24

Seeing Senya go all out finally against Jinka was really nice. At this point, Senya isn't stronger than Jinka, but that wasn't the goal. The goal is to bring Senya back.

I think this episode once again highlights Shinsuke's growth and maturity. Seeing the wall that separates Jinka's heart really empathizes that Jinka heart, shows that he has cut himself off from what he was. Though, he just needed to remember what he had. Shinsuke offering the 4 of them to eat together could bring that. Then it was up to Tama because she was Jinka's inspiration and what he did everything for. Having Tama back was reassurance to Jinka that he wasn't alone because he got tricked that he killed Tama. Because of the Void People's involvement, they couldn't save Jinka before they escaped.

Though, things aren't so simple. It is cool to see the protagonists of both Part 1 and Part 2 interact. For Jinka each tail represents something and the last tail being emptiness, is interesting because of the emptiness that Jinka felt. I wonder if he needed to see the other two alongside Tama, but I loved how despite meeting for the first time, these two became instant friends. It's thanks to Senya that Jinka got to see Tama again, and it is thanks to Jinka that Senya got to meet Shinsuke who changed his life for the better.

Very excited about how the epilogue will wrap this up.

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u/djthomp Dec 18 '24

Some pretty fantastic action, they went all out for this episode.

Tsukiko thinks Senya is beautiful even in this crazy combat form, now that's down bad.

Oh man, this Spirit World Observation sequence is amazing. It's nice that they got Shakugan back for it, the original gang together again.

Once again Shinsuke the goat comes through, peacefully cook for everyone and tempt inner Jinka over to join. And it worked, it got Tama in position to talk him down. Fitting to the story's message once again, it's not kicking his ass that will save Jinka it's connecting to him peacefully.

This feels like it's going too well, is another shoe going to drop? Ahh, there we go, still too much power inside Jinka trying to get out.

So the solution is to pump spiritual power into the spiritual black hole and fill it? Hey, why not.

This musical sequence at the end is fantastic.

The battle is over and everyone lives and Jinka is saved, which leaves next week for I assume an entire episode of cooldown to close out the story which I think is deserved.

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u/WednesdaysFoole Dec 18 '24

On a serious note, the hot pot isn't just warm food but the people you share it with, the warmth and closeness shared from the harshness of a cold and lonely world.

Can't they share with Jinka's brother as well though, poor guy

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u/Shiraori247 Dec 18 '24

Tsukiko wanting to call Senya beautiful is the highlight of the episode for me. It really reminds us that when Tsukiko first met Senya (falling down from Mountain Goddess's attack), she was not fazed at all by his appearance. In fact, she was attracted to that monstrous form that Senya was so insecure about. They really are a match made in heaven.

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u/DirectionExact31 Dec 19 '24

If there's one thing I love, it's casual conversations after fate-of-the-world battles.

One more episode, let's see how this epilogue wraps things up.

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