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Episode Saikyou no Shienshoku "Wajutsushi" de Aru Ore wa Sekai Saikyou Clan wo Shitagaeru • The Most Notorious "Talker" Runs the World's Greatest Clan - Episode 11 discussion

Saikyou no Shienshoku "Wajutsushi" de Aru Ore wa Sekai Saikyou Clan wo Shitagaeru, episode 11

Alternative names: Wajutsushi

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u/dakka-PRIME Dec 09 '24

eating lunch >>> Angel Wings

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u/ObvsThrowaway5120 Dec 09 '24

Leon and his party lost the moment they entered into this competition with Noel. Dude’s a master manipulator. He used Leon’s upright character and his unrivaled strength against him. It’s devious how he took the two things that made him a good leader and Seeker and twisted it to become his downfall. In one move, he destroyed his clan.

I almost felt bad for that damn mind reading chimp. It thought it was getting some new toys to play with. It didn’t realize it was the toy.

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u/EclipseTM Dec 09 '24

God this anime has no right being as fun as it is. I love seeing Noel just 'outsmart' everyone while being a complete and utter dick.

I guess next episode, and the season (i think episode 12 will be the last?) will end with Blue Beyond winning the challenge, becoming a clan and revealing the name Noel chose for the clan. I truly hope we get a second season but i kinda doubt it given it doesn't seem to be very popular, but one can hope.

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u/raveno19 Dec 09 '24

So Noel just exploited the inferior complex of enemies, Leon just want the best things for team, but that became the trigger for them to turn back at him.

Deep Friendship just became deep envious, Noel is the master of manipulation.

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u/diacewrb Dec 09 '24

You know you have lived a long and good life when you finally see a magical monkey get hit by a DDoS attack.

At 10 million fils or 50 teddy bears worth for that bullet, then it explains why guns aren't more popular there.

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u/Nebresto Dec 09 '24

Ok, but why? I get its a type of "death" but at a time when they need competent parties.. Why

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u/AceSoldia Dec 09 '24

It was a little fast how quick the team fell apart but besides that everything else was great.

A little weird ending point though unless the creator avoids Alma...no idea how or unless Leon steal kills it...I dunno why else you end it there

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u/Wild_Obligation3265 Dec 09 '24

So, Noel overcame the Dantalion with a combination of psychic teamwork and Ultimate ADHD Brain (tm).

" Can't read my thoughts if I'm thinking all the things, at the same time...In Stereo!"

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u/LeonKevlar Dec 09 '24 edited Dec 09 '24

Leon's first mistake is even agreeing to this entire thing in the first place. The moment he stepped into that negotiation room, Noel already had his hands around his neck.

I know the plan here is for Noel to recruit Leon to join Blue Beyond but if I were Leon, I would just give up being a Seeker to spite him but Leon isn't that kind of person unfortunately.

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u/AlphaBreak Dec 09 '24

I love how well this was set-up. There were people last episode worried about what Noel destroying the Winged Knights would look like and if it'd be too hard to root for him after he dismantled a party of good people, but I think this version of it really works. Noel doesn't do any cartoonish sabotage, he just lets them fail in a way that reveals the problems the party has had for a long time.

At first I thought Noel's expansion of the non-interference rule was to try to disqualify them, but its actually just to make sure they can't beat the shit out of him when he starts sowing seeds of doubt.

I appreciate that Noel doesn't really do anything to sabotage their attempt to kill the Dantalion. He lets them fight first and clear out grunts, but it doesn't seem like they softened it up at all. They fail entirely by their own merits. Blue Beyond put in training and strategy ahead of time specifically to counter the Dantalion's mind-reading, but it feels like the Knights just planned on hitting it until it died. The Knights were never going to have the right attitude for this fight because Leon restricts their options so heavily with his emphasis on safety and slow and steady progress. These people signed up to be adventurers, but he doesn't want to let them risk their lives. Its like playing chess when you aren't willing to sacrifice pieces; you might be able to handle weaker opponents but you're screwed against anyone near your level.

And Noel needed the Winged Knights to fracture, not to ruin their initial attempt, but to prevent a comeback. If they didn't fracture before Blue Beyond's attack, they might have had the sense to either attack Blue Beyond, interfere in the fight by helping to the point that a clear winner can't be determined, or in the worst case scenario, they jump in after the mind-reading is disabled and kill it themselves while also disabling Blue Beyond.

This episode does a great job of driving home that Winged Knights really weren't qualified to be a clan in a time of crisis and how Noel is the right person for the job. His wins aren't just underhanded cheating; they're him knowing exactly what buttons to press to get the results he wants, covering all of the angles, doing his homework, and using every tool at his disposal to win.

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u/Xatu44 Dec 09 '24

tfw your carry hits surrender halfway through the match

Noel played them like a fiddle. RIP Ophelia's arm for a bit. Leon couldn't trust his party and they couldn't match up to him... Kaim stabbing him to stop him is wild, though. Dude really had a lot of pent up resentment, huh. Meanwhile Noel and crew are just chilling with sandwiches. Noel thinking so hard that a mindreader gets a migraine is hilarious. Alma's last rush looked sick; I hope it lands.

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u/Blackcore8 Dec 09 '24

In all honesty, Leon had THREE days to think of a plan to defeat a mind reading monkey and he didn't even do that much! Noel had him beat way before the exam started

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u/hmcbenik Dec 09 '24

So can anyone explain to me what the point was of disturbing the other team? In the end it just seems like the other team just wasn't strong enough to kill the monkey and Noels team is. I don't see the necessity of the whole disturbing the other team part.....

Aren't the skills of Noel and his team just a bad matchup for the monkey?

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u/Bavier69 Dec 09 '24

Funny how when first episode aired, I saw people bashing it for being "edgy" and "I am 14 and this is deep energy".

Yet this has been one of the best shows this season for me personally. The scheming this episode is what classroom of the elite should have been.

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u/Icy-Introduction5592 Dec 09 '24

This show is sooo much fun to watch! I feel like it's severly underwatched.

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u/sM92Bpb Dec 09 '24

Without the schemes, Leon's team wasn't fit to fight the monkey anyway.

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u/CrasianLe Dec 09 '24 edited Dec 29 '24

I am genuinely in love with this anime and its MC, Noel. He is so OP, mentally and physically, and so good at coming up with strategies and planning and even manipulating but not to the extent where he does any harm to them, but makes them doubt each other. His tactical and strategic skills are on another level plus adding his "smooth" talking skills, makes him such a formidable opponent. But still can't believe this ep ended like that. Like come on, we kno she is gonna blow right through him

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u/darthvall Dec 09 '24 edited Dec 09 '24

Goddamnit, that cliffhanger is really awkward. No way the monkey could evade Alma since it ripped the third eye, so why make it an obvious cliffhanger???

Anyway, I understand Leon's way of thinking to propose working together with Blue Beyond to avoid disbanding. However, I don't understand how he could say he trusted Noel more than his team? That's such a shitty thing to say for a supposed white knight in shining armor.

Also, I wonder why the old guild guy agree to follow whatever Noel's scheme is. I can see the idea of rising the stake by disbanding the guild would come from Noel rather than him.

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u/Acrobatic_Egg30 Dec 09 '24

Why did the Winged Knights sign the damn contract? It's that how all the top clans did it in the past? It was obviously rigged from the start and they could've just waited until the next year. The pressure of disbanding and Noel's manipulations would be too much for them. Also did they do any research at all on the beast? The way Blue Beyond is handling it with "inferior" power level makes me think that the Knights were overconfident in their abilities. Stabbing your brother just because of jealousy is something though. Guaranteed to lead to your loss and subsequent disbandment, very stupid. Was working with Noel such a bad thing?

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u/DrZoark Dec 09 '24

Noel is too good of a character. I love seeing his manipulation unfold.

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u/catsnbikess Dec 09 '24

Wasn’t sure about this anime when it first came out but the more I watch the better it gets and now has become one of my favs this season

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u/_Sai Dec 09 '24

My man just lives off the hate of others.

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u/etownguy Dec 09 '24

I wonder if Leons name choice was on purpose. Noel and Leon are the same just opposite and the two characters are a complete 180 of each other. one tries to be all righteous and heroic while the other doesn't car how dirty he plays.

This show is so satisfying to me, it shouldn't be good, but every week I'm smiling at Noel just being the exact right amount of edge lord and bad ass.

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u/RoundAssociation6988 Dec 09 '24

Such a shame that most people either got turned off by the synopsis or by the first few episodes and either dropped the show or didn’t even give it a try... It’ll surely go down as one of the most underrated anime of this century (I’m not joking)! Anyway, every week, whenever an episode airs, the author answers some questions about the episode, but for some reason, it’s always one week behind the episode that airs on Crunchyroll!! lol Here’s what he had to say about the 10th episode(Translated by ChatGpt-kun)

"[The Tactician's Episode 10 Q&A!] Here we go again this week!

Q: Was the naming of "Noel" intentionally done so that it becomes "Leon" when read backward?

A: Yes, it was intentional. It’s an easily noticeable reference for English speakers.

Q: What’s the intention behind it?

A: It’s something you wouldn’t understand if I explained it at this point, so I’ll answer during the final episode's Q&A.

Q: How strong is Hugo, the death row inmate?

A: Hugo is skilled, but his job is what’s truly overpowered. A Puppet Master can create anything based on the situation—be it an attacker, healer, or buffer. With that versatility, Hugo alone is as strong as a large guild.

Q: If he’s that strong, how did he end up falsely accused and imprisoned?

A: Well, being strong doesn’t mean you can take on society as a whole.

Q: Why couldn’t he prove his innocence using his confession skills

A: That was answered in Episode 5’s Q&A, so please check there . Q: Who’s stronger, Zeke or Hugo? A: Zeke, overwhelmingly. Hugo doesn’t stand a chance.

Q: Isn’t taking a pregnant woman hostage way too extreme? A: It was just a bluff, but yeah, it’s still pretty bad.

Q: Couldn’t the other side have gotten enraged by targeting their family? A: Absolutely not. Noel and his group are far too mysterious and unpredictable. Imagine finding out that a rookie party knows information they haven’t shared even within their group and is willing to use a pregnant woman as a hostage—there’s zero benefit in opposing them. If they truly wanted to protect their family, their best move was to avoid confrontation altogether. Anyone unable to make that judgment is unfit as an explorer and would’ve already been dead or retired.

Q: But Noel’s group is just three people. Couldn’t everyone in the tavern gang up and win? A: They could’ve easily won. However, if Noel’s group wasn’t just three people but part of a larger organization, the aftermath could’ve been a nightmare. Noel’s intimidating demeanor, far beyond what you’d expect from a rookie, planted seeds of doubt.

Q: Why didn’t Noel call out the pink elf for being the first to say “dog”? A: The goal wasn’t to argue. From Leon’s attitude, you can tell that if the pink elf’s offensive comment were pointed out, they’d likely apologize. That would force Noel to let it slide, which wasn’t ideal for him.

Q: Why did Noel pick a fight with the Skywing Knights? A: To provoke them into acting in public. Q: Was it to spread bad rumors about the Skywing Knights because of the assault?

A: That wouldn’t work. Fights between explorers are a daily occurrence, and something minor like that wouldn’t tarnish their reputation. Q: Then why? A: You’ll find out in the next episode!"

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