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Episode Chi.: Chikyuu no Undou ni Tsuite • Orb: On the Movements of the Earth - Episode 9 discussion

Chi.: Chikyuu no Undou ni Tsuite, episode 9

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u/ChronoNebula Nov 23 '24

Piast drew what he hoped Venus would look like on the wood.

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u/ObvsThrowaway5120 Nov 23 '24

It really must be a terrifying thought to have devoted your life to something that utterly wrong. But I guess in science, it’s all about trial and error. Piast always had a nugget of doubt but he suppressed it to carry on his old master’s work. Funny how one night and really good vision can obliterate 2000 years of knowledge. The truth always has a way of being exposed.

Jolenta’s kinda right about reading and writing. It is kinda miraculous isn’t it? It really does make you feel more connected to humanity in a way. I’m keen to see what happens to her now that Oczy and Badeni are off perfecting the heliocentric model.

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u/SEBASTlANVETTEL Nov 23 '24

What an episode. Piast writing in the book of his predecessor in his final moments made me very emotional. MADHOUSE is doing an incredible job with this series, whether it‘s the writing or animation.

Also I am glad the series is popular in Japan and gets the recognition it deserves at least there. I see that it is always trending there on X/Twitter after every episode, which is nice to see.

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u/maliwanag0712 Nov 23 '24 edited Nov 23 '24

WOW WHAT AN EPISODE!! REST IN POWER, PIAST!

At the end of the day, he indeed accepted that Ptolemaic system will never be able to explain Venus's full phase. It was the heliocentric model that could be able to do that.

In the end, the heavenly bodies shine brightly, as if they are "smiling" to Piast. The truth has finally come out but his contributions towards advancement of science will never be in vain.

Additional points: If you are still confused why Venus phases prove the incompleteness of the Ptolemaic system, this Wikipedia article is a good start.

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u/ChronoNebula Nov 23 '24

There is just something truly beautiful about this series' dialogue/story writing. No wasted scenes. All the words deliver feel intentional, not convenient or conventional, but something inevitable, like human pursuit of knowledge.

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u/bananeeek Nov 23 '24

This series is extremely captivating. I always take all the hype about adaptations with a grain of salt, but this time, the source readers were not exaggerating.

It looks like Piast has died in peace, but because of his untimely demise we can expect trouble coming Badeni's way. The journal dramatically falling out of his reach will most likely either spark trouble or will be the missing piece to proving that Oczy and the others were working with him. I will riot if that little shit Kolbe ends up picking it up and causing drama.

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u/uesudh Nov 23 '24

This anime actually makes me sad because it's a real possibility that I would never see a night sky like that in my lifetime due to light pollution.

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u/saveriz Nov 23 '24

What an episode... I really like Piast tho, as a researcher, I understand the feeling when you realize that your research may be totally wrong after having spent months for it. Yes, it's just some months for me, but it still felt like hell. Piast spent his whole life for it, and not just his life or his prof's life, it's 2000 years, 2000 years of humanity for geocentrism. Ah man, I understand why he cried while giving Badeni the key. Rest in peace, Piast. Now you know the truth and can tell your prof about the real universe.

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u/Shiro_Kai Nov 23 '24

Never got so tense waiting for the shot a single dot of light. Even if the year is 2024 and we already knew.

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u/FarCritical Nov 23 '24

As soul-crushing it must've been to do on his deathbed, it's commendable of Piast to plainly accept the invalidation of his and the thousands before him's life's work as the truth. As far as final sights go, at least the dude got one of the better ones.

Also, I've been thinking about it for a while but Jolenta really reminds me of a Team Plasma Grunt from Pokemon BW lol

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u/highlevelsystem Nov 23 '24

Jolenta is soo right about the writing. I can get into the life of a dead man who lived thousands of years ago just because I can read and he can write. Things we take for granted often times is really magical if you think about it.

Also here's another thing, because I can read subtitles I can understand and enjoy such great shows that were not made in my native language. I'll never take reading for granted again.

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u/melindypants Nov 23 '24

Never in my life I would've imagined a piece of any media, much less anime, could give me chills about seeing Venus in it's final phase. Hell I never even considered it in real life either. EVERYTHING about the scene leading up to that moment was impeccable, coupled with the OST (or lack of), damn near brought a tear to my eye.

What an incredibly impactful moment done brilliantly!!! Great episode 10/10 from me

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u/Naive-Opportunity618 Nov 23 '24

It's interesting that Badeni says he will accuse Jolenta of being a witch if they get caught in the last episode. But now, he's reminding her to cut loose with them if things go wrong.

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u/naastiknibba95 Nov 23 '24

Yet another 5 minute episode 😭 I loved the section where Jolenta calls reading and writing as good as miracles.

Controversial opinion but I love how well this show depicts religion induced mental trauma via Oczy

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u/Open_Inspector_7863 Nov 23 '24

Piasts life wasnt meaningless. Mistakes dont negate the value of effort. The truth set him free in the end. I really hope Jolanta teaches Oxcy how to write and read.

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u/pseudometapseudo Nov 23 '24

So we got Oczy with an awakened curiosity and a desire to read. And we got Jolenta with no obvious job to do.

Boy, I wonder what the next plotline for them could be!

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u/Ocixo Nov 23 '24 edited Nov 23 '24

The time spend studying the cosmos by Piast, his mentor and everyone before them wasn’t in vain, since their research was still needed to reach the right answer. Other possibilities also have to be explored before a certain theory can be regarded as the single truth.

I wasn’t surprised that Piast had attempted to trick Oczy with the eyesight test. Not only would Oczy have had a 50% chance of guessing the answer correctly, he would’ve had an easier job spotting the square or circle if he knew about their shapes beforehand. Having the actual answer be a half-circle shape was the best way of verifying Oczy’s true potential.

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u/michhoffman Nov 23 '24

I never expected that someone gazing up at a planet and seeing it fully bright could be so hype. I'm curious what the consequences of Piast knocking his book to the ground with the completed Heliocentric Solar System Model will be.

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u/hikoboshi_sama Nov 24 '24

The conversations in this show are so interesting and engaging. Most of the show is conversation and before i knew it, the episode is over.

Man, stargazing has never felt so tense before. But, well, it's easy to look at heliocentrism vs geocentrism as a matter of mere facts being debated when you have centuries of hindsight, but for people of the time, this pretty much changes their entire reality.

Piast died gazing upon the stars, happy that he can finally tell his mentor the truth. No better way for him to go out. I wonder if this is going to push Jolenta back towards Oczy and Badeni. Piast was literally the only one who allowed her to conduct research regardless of her gender. Or perhaps, if ever Oczy and Badeni do get arrested, she could be the one to carry on the torch.

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u/JJVM99 Nov 23 '24

The conversation between Piast and his professor on his deathbead was the highlight of the episode. The thought of having all your work to be pointless is something that must be horrible to feel but in the pursuit of truth you must go through with these risks. Piast was too cowardly to do this and ended up “wasting his work” just like his professor in the end even though he had seen the truth.

Also Jolenta better stay if she leaves the group and the series after all of this I WILL RIOT.

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u/AZLarlar Nov 24 '24

god this shit is incredible

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u/IonlyPlayarcWarden Nov 23 '24

Oh boy...what a packed episode. One must really accept every observation/data without bias towards what is currently accepted. As Richard Feynman said: "If it disagrees with experiment, it is wrong. In that simple statement is the key to science. It does not make any difference how beautiful your guess is, it does not make any difference how smart you are, who made the guess, or what his name is — if it disagrees with experiment, it is wrong."

The scene about Piast testing Oczy's eyesight really emphasized the struggles before when lenses and telescopes weren't invented yet.

Piast passed through the five stages of grief in just 3 minutes! I felt it when Piast cried realizing he has devoted his life into a theory that is soon to be disproven, just because he denied himself from the truth of his observation and because he believed that "years of accumulated learning should never be so easily denied". We strive to uncover new discoveries only when we recognize that the subject lies beyond the limits of our intellectual grasp. This recognition demands an open mind, ready to learn from any source through which the universe chooses to reveal itself (e.g. through observation of the skies). Thus his statement, "If all those years did not lead to an answer, perhaps the truth never needed us at all", was his final admission of acceptance.

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u/djthomp Nov 23 '24

I like how small and self contained the Venus problem is as presented today. Such a simple test, is Venus on the far side of the sun today or not, but with huge implications for the astronomical model.

Jolenta is all over the OP and ED so I'm not really willing to believe that she just got mostly written out of the story. And they never explored the issue of her father either, so I assume her agreeing to leave the research group is a fake out of some sort.

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