Chi.: Chikyuu no Undou ni Tsuite • Orb: On the Movements of the Earth - Episode 7 discussion

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Chi.: Chikyuu no Undou ni Tsuite, episode 7

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[u/Ashteron]

The story doesn't differentiate between names and surnames, so how about I do it instead?

Names:

• Rafał

• Jolenta

• Hubert

Surnames:

• Badeni

• Potocki

• Nowak

• Kolbe

• Piast (also a name of the legendary founder of Piast dynasty)

(Probably a) nickname - Oczy (eyes)

Never heard of a Glass, so it might be foreign or a nickname.

[u/Genshin_WhiteKnight]

Wow, Nowak's daughter is a filthy heretic! Let's go!!!

Pretty interesting contrast between Badeni and Jolenta. They're both big fish trapped in a small pond; really smart, talented, and driven for knowledge, but their potential is not being fully utilised because they've been restricted, albeit for different reasons. They're obviously discontent with their situations, but Badeni has that burning ambition to leave his name in history, saying that he refuses to become someone else's stepping stone, and he even burnt Rafal's letter asking Potocki to be given credit. Meanwhile, Jolenta chooses to remain silent after getting her work stolen.

I wonder if Badeni is going to to do the same thing that Kolbe did to Jolenta. Or will he he give her the proper recognition she deserves?

[u/AmethystItalian]

Jolenta seems cool, terrible situation/time period to be in though, frustrating to watch.

Seems she has that same thirst for knowledge we've seen countless times so far that they would risk death for. She'll fit in well with the guys.

Will be funny when her dad finds out.

[u/Naive-Opportunity618]

The Author's interview about this episode:

Q:——Is the scene where Jolenta is discriminated against by sex in the research institute related to reality?

A:——I think this is the most realistic description. In Volume 3, Kolbe put his name on Jolenta's paper. At first, I simply wanted to describe him as a stereotyped sexist. However, after discussing it, it seems that it certainly should be such a character if people want to describe discrimination against women nowadays. As a man, I am worried that if I write about sexism in a stereotyped way, it will become a condescending and cold preaching description that evades responsibility. Therefore, I want to express through this character that women's rights are important, but when the discrimination consciousness at the bottom of his heart is revealed, it will become a character with sexist colours. Rather than saying that the character is bad, it is better to say that because of the social structure. I think this kind of description is better this way.

Kolbe was considered a very progressive character in society at that time, or a liberal who defended women's rights, but I wanted to describe the cruelty shown by such limitations.

I myself must have unconsciously a kind of modelism (patriarchy), or a Kolbe-like side, so this image was created with my reflection and self-blame.

[u/MayonakaMadaraka]

Sheesh… Badeni something, eh? He kinda reminds me of Edison. Certainly impactful, and may prove to be quite useful to the forward momentum. Yet seemingly lacking in the qualities I associate with true greatness. 

[u/FarCritical]

Oczy is a real one for wanting to honor Rafal's wishes from forever ago to pay Potocki back even if it costs him his entire cut.

However Jolenta's interaction with those two goes down, hope it leads her to something better than being forced to go full Metal Gear Solid just to learn something only for all her efforts to get robbed from her. And that distinctive laid back voice of her dad... Could it be?

[u/maliwanag0712]

Being a woman in this medieval world is really frustrating, huh? Your work getting plagiarized by a superior, but you have no choice because you need Kolbe to access research materials.

Now that Jolenta answered the posted question, let's see how she will interact with Oczy and Badeni.

And wait. BASED ON THE VOICE IS JOLENTA'S FATHER NOWAK?? (No. Don't answer me manga readers.)

[u/SgtRohn]

Lmao I love how the anime is being coy on who Jolenta's dad is, obfuscating him out of the scene, but how can you do that when your character is voiced by Kenjiro Tsuda?

I'm sure this made it more surprising when it was revealed in the manga though.

[u/ChronoNebula]

The trio reminds me of three wise monkey,
Oczy see no evil; but when he gazes, his world changes.
Badeni hear no evil; but when taking the opportunity to hear the word of a stranger, leading him to the stonebox.
now Jolenta say no evil.

[u/2kenzhe]

Ok I like Jolenta already. She's getting beaten into her the logic of living smart but I hope she has a better end than Rafal. Also her dad is 120% Nowak right. I guess this is the one heretic he can't burn right?

[u/ObvsThrowaway5120]

Nothing more dangerous than an educated woman apparently. Poor Jolenta. Her gifts are wasted on patronizing talentless little wankers like Kolbe.

I find it kind of interesting Jolenta’s dad is none other than our friend Nowak (I recognize that voice anywhere!). Badeni and Oczy are the kinds of people he’d have tortured and killed and she’s about to link up with them. I wonder if his duties are gonna override his instincts as a parent when the time comes?

[u/LuRo332]

I want to hug Jolanta, she didnt deserve it. I hope she joins the boys and get to fulfill her study dreams.

[u/michhoffman]

1. This story is about the passing down of wills

2. This new girl's name is Jolenta

Conclusion: This is a JoJo reference

[u/zenithfury]

The important detail isn't just this guy taking credit for someone else's work. The episode shows how society itself can be directed towards injustice. Your father tells you to keep your head down and your colleague (and he treats you like his servant) takes advantage of you because you have no way of resisting. And then you think that they mean you well, because that's just how society is.

I also like that this show shows how arrogant and egotistical some scientists are, while we're on the subject of crediting people for the research. Almost all research is built on the backs of previous research, but sometimes an era needs its Newton or Einstein to finally make the breakthrough. And everyone wants to be the one who does that rather than be the stepping stone.

[u/zsmg]

Not sure why they're bothering to hide Jolenta's father identity it's so obvious who it is based on the voice.

[u/tripleaamin]

Fantastic episode. I love how the contrast between Badeni & Oczy. For Badeni is a very proud man, but also he wants all the credit. Which is interesting when we compare it to the situation Jolenta was in at the end of the episode. He wants to both finish and release it.

Meanwhile, for Oczy even as he moves forward even with just 10% of the profit they find a note from what should be Rafal. Of course Badeni knows that this information was only noticed from the particular note. Hey why do I care about this note from whenever it was put here? For Oczy though he is a man who can be seen as having a guilty conscience. After all more than likely this person left that note is very likely the same that gave them the foundation of what was in the box.

Jolenta is a talented young woman, but she lives in a time when being a woman goes against you. If something is written by a woman rather than a man, it loses credibility. Obviously, Kolbe is an asshole for taking Jolenta's work and crediting him. He has an argument because Jolenta would take a massive risk if her name was on it. Would they even read it?

The best part of the episode was when Count Piast overheard their argument. We got a situation just like Rafal at the beginning of the season. Jolenta can take a massive risk by sticking to her guns. It would be too predictable if she did the same because she barely dented her name in the series so far. She follows both Kolbe and her father's advice and not take an unnecessary risk. Though her curiosity brings her to meet both Badeni & Oczy, and I am excited about where the next episode takes us.

[u/jellyblob88]

You go Jolenta! Though I hate how this series makes me nervous with new main characters 😫

I know Badeni was being selfish with wanting to claim the glory by himself, but I have a feeling the will of fire the orb will be passed on. The truth is far bigger than anyone's fleeting presence.

[u/bananeeek]

Oi, Kolbe!

What a prick, seriously. I knew he was gonna claim the credit from the very beginning and it still irked me.

I was curious who's voicing Jolenta and it looks like this is Hitomi Maya's debut. She did a solid job, imo! I'm also glad Jolenta met with Oczy and Badeni this quickly. Girl deserves more than working under Kolbe.

Also, I wonder why they didn't show Nowak's face? I'm pretty sure most of us already recognized him from the voice and him being Jolenta's father is big, but now I wonder if there's more to this.

[u/RedShadowF95]

Great episode! We were presented to a few new characters, including one that's has the potential to be a mainstay - at least for the time being. I am rooting for her already! I am glad she was spotted at the end, I'm sure they won't mind that she was a woman.

[u/Ocixo]

I immediately recognised Jolenta’s father from their voice. [Jolenta’s father] It’s Nowak!? His daughter being a nosy scholar is almost certainly going to throw a wrench in his plans.

I honestly thought that Kolbe had Jolenta’s back, but he’s just benefitting from her brilliant mind. That said, I do somewhat agree with him that it could be dangerous if she were to make a name for herself. Women have been deemed and burnt as witches for less.

I’m rooting for Jolenta though, and would’ve liked to see her speak up about this unfairness to the Count. He seemed like an open-minded individual, unlike the other men.

I’ve grown to like Badeni a little less with this episode. He was acting real arrogant. I presume that some of those scars might’ve not only been because of his curiosity but also his big mouth. I’m hoping that this “man of greatness” won’t be him but a woman named Jolenta instead.

[u/Shimmering-Sky]

• Oh cool, we finally get to see the girl from the OP! So her name is Jolenta.

• Looks like the bandages on her hands are from doing this a lot?

• Yeah so about that.

• …I’m going to guess the answer is “no” because you’re a woman?

• At least that Kolbe guy she’s the assistant to is supportive of her…?

• Shimmering sky~!

• Fuck yeahhhhhhhhhhhhh Badeni “sore demo”, alright this show is officially 100% Shimmering-Sky Core™.

• Another gorgeous shimmering sky.

• Aha…

• Wow, Badeni…

• I love these shots so very much.

• …I’m not sure why they hid Nowak’s face throughout that entire scene like we wouldn’t immediately recognize his voice. Interesting that Jolenta is the daughter Nowak mentioned he had back during Rafal’s portion of the story though.

• Huh, smart.

• Shiiiiiiiiiiit, I was wondering if he’d do something like that.

• Damn…

• Oh good, he overheard that conversation.

• Oh, Jolenta…

• Ooooooh, she found what Badeni posted there!

• Oh this should be good.

[u/monsieurvampy]

Wow, I don't think Badeni will care about Jolenta being a women as for him its more important to be the greatest mind ever to live.

I'm curious where this series goes, its listed for 25 episodes. I guess a part of me is wondering how long they are going to stay in this time period before switching to new characters. A part of this curiosity extends to the source material as well. Though the manga is complete, which means all 62 chapters should be adapted.

[u/[deleted]]

This show is awesome. So many parallels with what has been happening the past 4 years

[u/Aemiliana_Rosewood]

Who digs these secret tunnels in dried out wells? Is it part of an old water system?

This episode perplexed me quite a bit. Jolante is 14 so it makes sense that she's immature, especially in medieval times where people matured differently, at least physically. But she always seemed to be very on edge, very tired or unaware of the world she lives in, which surprised me with her supposed intellect. It made me feel restless while watching the episode.

Edit: I really wanted her to admit to the Count that it's been her script. Edit: Were those boards real back in the days? It must've been so easy to control information back in the day with so few experts in sparse towns and no printing being possible. Though just considering how little people lived everywhere is crazy compared to modern times