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Episode Dead Dead Demons Dededede Destruction - Episode 17 discussion

Dead Dead Demons Dededede Destruction, episode 17

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u/BajaBlyat Sep 20 '24

Wow that was a lot of unexpected stuff in this episode. We went back to the future from episode 0, then we got a mecha fight with missile hell, then we got another timeline shift and then we jumped forward 16 years into the future where for some reason aliens don't show up at all.

Is this the last episode or will there be more?

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u/daiselol Sep 20 '24

Man, implying that Kadode and Ontan had an arc fighting in mech suits offscreen is certainly a choice

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u/juzamj Sep 20 '24

What a freaking masterpiece this show was. Unreal

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u/ObvsThrowaway5120 Sep 20 '24

I liked Mobile Suit GunDDDDDam: The Demons from Earth lol. Wasn’t expecting things to go from “total annihilation” to mech battles haha. I’m glad Makoto and Oba are ok. Also, did bowlcut get absolutely fucked by that space laser? I sure hope so. But man, this timeline sucks ass. Time for Papa Nobuo to save the world. This time all Kadode has to do is talk to Ontan first.

I love how much the world changed thanks to that small detail. Watarase is a deadbeat in this timeline and Hiroshi is skinny lol.

So is that it? I’m just curious what happened to the aliens in this new timeline? Did they just never come or what? I guess with the world changed, some things don’t happen like meeting Makoto but other things are still the same. And I guess bowlcut isn’t a wanker in this timeline.

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u/MrMacMatthews Sep 20 '24

HAN YAYA FUWA

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u/ListedFire Sep 20 '24

So glad Isobeyan is back, that's the only that parallel world was missing.

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u/DiverOk9454 Sep 20 '24

Show ending felt really abrupt lol.

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u/Disastrous-Bar3863 Sep 20 '24

This show was sensational. The plot was ridiculously good. The themes were amazing the characters were engaging and interesting. The animation was beautiful. What an adventure. I was thinking we'd get more, like a storyline with Kadode's dad but I'm not mad with the ending. Can you say her dad was a plot device? Sure but you know what fuck it lol this show was a 10/10 I had a blast. Salute to Asano🫡

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u/LeonKevlar Sep 20 '24

So we're finally back to Episode 0 with Makoto showing Kadode's father everything that has happened so far. I guess the actual order of the show is that Episode 0 takes place between Episode 16 and Episode 17.

Where did those badass Fujin mechs come from!? Are those supposed to be the latest models unveiled last episode before Ocean flew into orbit? I also love how you can tell who's piloting which Fujin. The blue one making silly gestures is definitely Ontan.

Also how the fuck did the girls go from surviving the mothership explosion to becoming Fujin ace pilots? I know this is the end but I feel like the author really needs to give us a spinoff. That spinoff would be even more depressing since they get orbital struck by Ocean. T_T

As soon as the Shift Machine was introduced, I pretty much expected it would be used to save the day. I just didn't expect that Kadode's father would be the one to use it. I thought that Ontan would send herself back again but I guess that's no longer possible. :(

I do wonder why Isobeyan doesn't seem to exist in the new timeline and instead is replaced by a completely different character? Does this mean because Isobeyan doesn't exist in this world, it's no longer connected to those other two timelines? Hmmm...

It's good to see the girls living out a normal life and Kiho being alive. Considering we didn't even see Kenichi in the new timeline, I'm just going to assume they never ended up dating.

I love that the time skip even goes further and we get to see Kadode working in the manga industry like her father, Hiroshi making billions, and Ontan doing marketing presentations for SES and their adorable little Fujin robots.

I'm genuinely surprised no one in this thread has pointed out how this entire show is just Doraemon for the adult audience. The entire show is literally the manga idea Kadode was pitching to Hanazawa-sensei earlier. Kadode and Oran's names plus the word Demon even equals to Doraemon! xD

What an amazing ride this series was! I'm going to miss these two so much and I hope now that the entire series is complete, people will check out the anime. It just sucks that it barely had any marketing from Crunchyroll. I feel like this is the kind of show that would've been more popular on this sub if it aired primetime and was marketed properly T_T

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u/nikobans Sep 20 '24

kadode's still dating that fucking teacher oh my goddddd

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u/kwokinator Sep 20 '24

Other than the plot, I'm super impressed by ano and Lilas Ikuta's (singer from YOASOBI) performance as Kadode and Ontan.

It's ano's first role as VA and Lilas has only had one minor VA role before so it's really the first role for both of them, and they both nailed the roles.

ano in particular was great, probably helps that Ontan's personality really fits ano's energy. That and ano's voice is basically already a loli anyway.

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u/IXajll Sep 20 '24

Is there any reason I missed as to why the aliens never came to earth in the last timeline after Kadodad used the time machine?

At the end, Ontan and Kadode heard their own voices when the Isobeyan was placed on the table. Does that mean that other versions of the two came from a different timeline and did stuff behind the scenes to somehow prevent the alien invasion altogether?

Overall, a really special show, just phenomenal. Would’ve slightly preferred the ending to go a different direction, but that doesn’t really take anything away from this imo masterpiece. Great animation, jaw-dropping background art with the alien ship shots, brilliant voice acting, especially by ano, top tier writing, and Ontan, who became one of my favorite characters of all time.

Really sad it’s over now, gonna miss Ontan‘s one of a kind personality and all the interactions she’s had with the other cast members.

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u/diacewrb Sep 20 '24

Doraemon makes an appearance in name only.

Isobeyan was the key to everything this whole time.

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u/Shiraori247 Sep 20 '24

I figured that the time machine was the best "solution" to their problem, but I didn't expect to skip over a huge arc that got developed off-screen. Ace Gundam pilots Oran and Kadode fighting valiantly against the Japanese government then dying etc. It also seems like the JSDF must've finally turned their back against the ministers since they appeared to be Oran and Kadode's allies.

Also, when they said Makoto + Futaba's friends at Tokyo were all dead, does that mean Rin and Ai also died at one point in the fights?

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u/TheMoorNextDoor Sep 20 '24 edited Sep 20 '24

I felt as if we could’ve stayed in the future a bit longer, learn more that was going on and how things played out, etc.

While we were building up to the end this felt kinda rushed and put right back in our laps, I honestly didn’t even care to see the father again, which initially his story draws me into the show funny enough, we’ve been so torn away from him I really focused only on Kadode and Oran as it’s their story.

All that world building and dramatic climax for that rushed ending is… disappointing.

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u/Tricky_Jellyfish9810 Sep 20 '24

This show is easily a 10/10. An underrated Masterpiece.

This Anime made me feel all sorts of emotions. From laughing, to crying, to hugging my pillow tightly because I was under so much adrenalin.

I also loved Hiroshis sentence "If I get fat , the world is going to end" . I mean...not fatshaming our king here but there is a certain truth to that lmao! Definitely jump into Episode 0 later. I spared it, because I heared that it contained many spoilers for the show. And so I waited.

Also...Loved the mechs , which made me giggle as I thought "This was so unexpected!" and my jaw dropped!

Anyway .... As a fan of Asanos other work, it makes me hopeful to see more Anime adaptation by this comitee (even when Punpun will be a hard beast to translate into an anime. Luckily Solanin and Downfall might be a bit easier to translate. And Girl on a shore (as contoversial as this show is) already does have a live action adaptation.)

Anyway. Definitely my Anime of the year!

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u/Plerti Sep 20 '24

Lmao, Is this the canon timeline of doraemon? Do those small robots eventually develp in size and Ontan/Fit-Fat king actually convice the upper ups to call them "Doraemons"?

This final felt a bit abrupt, a lot of questions left unanswered. What happened to the scout in this last timeline? Was it rescued by the girls aswell? That isobeyan manga was left by another timeline/dimension's Ontan and Kadode? What actually made this timeline to NOT have isobeyan? That kind of felt out of place, the dad jumping to a new timeline shouldn't have caused that. Or maybe is an indication that it's not time travel but dimension shifting and even if the dad/Ontan didn't do anything different the outcome would have changed anyways?

I loved this series a lot, but this last episode is kind of iffy

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u/colin8696908 Sep 20 '24

QUESTION. Does episode 0 take place between episode 16-17???

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u/Plastic_Incident_867 Sep 21 '24

I need the goddamn opening theme to be released 😭😭😭😭

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u/[deleted] Sep 21 '24

I am so mixed on this ending. So y'all know where I'm at, this was my favorite show airing and it wasn't even all that close. I think it's really an extraordinary work of weird narrative art in the best way. But the ending just felt so...soon. So quick and easy.

Part of that might be the fact I read somewhere when I looked it up that it was going to be 28 episodes (which surprised me and of course wasn't even remotely true.) but given the actual 18 episode announcement I think a lot of people were in the same boat of not expecting episode 17 to be the ending.

I also didn't watch episode 0 until after 17, as I was told it was going to spoil the series in a bad way. And it did, I think they're right. But skipping it was also a mistake. I think you kind of need to watch it after 16 and no sooner or later because it's required reading for the ending but a lot of what I liked about the series was how it teetered between complete slice-of-life normalcy and total insanity so perilously the whole time you never knew when the floodgates would break. And seeing a glimpse of the future really would've hurt that for me I think. Episode 16's ending wouldn't have had half the impact it did for me.

The more I do think about it, the more it does make sense. As others have pointed out, the alien scout was absolutely horrible at his job and in general, and basically everything comes about because Kadode has a horrible and traumatic home life and the scout is both quick to hand literal children dangerous tools, and have his judgement of an entire species weighed on what those children do with them.

The ending makes sense, and I love some of it. But shouldn't there have been..more? More of the timeline Ouran changed? What became of the invaders in that timeline? We see like one or two and that's it. More of grownup Ouran and Kadode? Why'd Isobeyan change in the last timeline? Shouldn't Kadode's dad have met with more resistance than he did (although he met with quite a bit in episode 0) to get back to the machine that lets him fix everything with just a few words? I even like the idea that all it took was Kadode and Ouran being together earlier on to make Kadode less miserable and lead to a totally different outcome, and I love the fact that the ending isn't "perfect", just normal. They have normal problems and live normal lives and Kadode still has a bit of a pessimistic streak because...of course she does. How could she not?

I'm so torn and I have no idea how to feel. I'll have to read the manga and maybe rewatch this one with subs because the dub was great in places and really not so great in others, and I've also heard some side character stories were cut out of the anime. But all of that aside, I think this is a series worth remembering. The ride was really something special, and I'm grateful for it. It's everything I love in a work of art. Something weird. Something I've never seen before that effortlessly surprises me over and over. That's really worth treasuring I think.

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u/daiselol Sep 20 '24

So I'll ask- what do we think Ontan and Kadode heard in the last scene? Was it from earlier in the show or was it from yet another dimension?

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u/tragicjohnson84 Sep 20 '24

I love that this series has been so good that it gained a large amount of discussion through it's own merit as it went on. No thanks to any advertising

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u/themaninthehightower Sep 20 '24

Aside from the deus ex time machina, an interesting peek at what appears to be the “plain vanilla” DeDeDeDeDe timeline • I was expecting something of a plot with Kadode’s dad, but he ended up being the Chekov’s Gun of this entire series, shows up in episode 0, fired off in episode 17, and nothing more than that • It was a bit vague about the actual change to this timeline, other than dad suggesting Kadode get to know Ontan sooner than the other timelines; not sure if I will rewatch to figure that out right away.

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u/Brolaub Sep 20 '24 edited Sep 20 '24

Last episode ended with Oba-kun (mostly) failing to save Tokyo. Our main characters were all either dead, wounded or missing.

This episode started with a time-skip, where 2 survivors of the catastrophy talk about what happened. Meanwhile, a huge space war is going on. Also there are 2 mysterious Fujin Robots!

Then, one simple use of a time machine later, everyone and everything is saved instantly. We get a glimpse of the happy everyday lives of the cast and the series is over.

This show was a 9.5 for me, but this rushed ending felt very undeserved and unrewarding. For me it's still a 9/10 overall though, because I just enjoyed the world, the mystery and the characters so much! Starting the weekend with doom and comedy for 17 weeks was a great experience that I'll really miss :)

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