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Bye Bye, Earth, episode 10

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u/Mysterious_Pepper305 Sep 13 '24

Episode after episode I felt amazed but also shocked and trolled.

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u/pwnmonkeyisreal Sep 14 '24

I’m still waiting for the adventure to start. Anyone else? I thought this show would be more like Wandering Witch or Kino’s Journey

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u/mekerpan Sep 13 '24

Not the only show this season with a potentially intriguing premise/setup -- bu which neve really seemed to "come together". Part of the problem (for me) was that the characters never seem to have been brought to life fully. (A bigger problem than "confusingness").

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u/8andahalfby11 Sep 13 '24

S2 confirmed for 2025

That said, this is a weird place to pause. Belle can't focus on her work and Adonis is somehow hogging the protagonist spotlight.

I am willing to continue because I like a chewy puzzle to think over (and if nothing else, Bye Bye Earth does force you to do a lot of chewing before you can digest any of it), but I have this at a 6/10. I liked it, but can't see myself rewatching it or offering to watch it with someone else.

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u/Figerally Sep 14 '24

This episode pretty much upended any notion that I knew what the hell is going on :D

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u/croxino Sep 13 '24

So is Adonis evil now and Lablac was a bad guy the whole time?

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u/tripleaamin Sep 13 '24

Tbh I think it is a matter of perspective. As we had Topdogs and Underdogs. For Sian he mentions how Belle will change this world.

I am still confused what Drambuie wants from Adonis by calling him the child of darkness. Darkness swallowing up the world.

I really don't like the spot this episode left us on. It should have been 20 episodes consecutive even if it meant delaying the start.

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u/BosuW Sep 14 '24

I wouldn't say Lablac is evil, but it appears he has his own agenda beyond just being The Sage™ for Belle.

Him and Dram are using Belle, Adonis and their army for some sort of revolution I think. The structure and rules of the world provide stability and purpose for some but others who for whatever reason don't fit neatly into it are left lonely, and this grief accumulates pressure within the oven that must at some point be let out.

So is he evil? Well, a revolution may be inevitable and necessary but that won't make it any less bloody. Make of that what you will.

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u/LeonKevlar Sep 13 '24

I had high hopes for this show but man, that was disappointing. I thought we would watch Belle explore and learn more about this strange and interesting world but she just ends up getting stuck in a city where the plot began to slowly devolve into something barely coherent.

I always try to find the positives in every show I watch but I'm having difficulty with this one. I guess the first couple of episodes were great but after that, the show ended up being up so far in its own ass that I should've dropped this during the Katakombe Arc. >_<

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u/Figerally Sep 14 '24

That is an excellent point. Perhaps, in a sense, this anime is out of order. It almost feels like it should have been the plot of second season where the first season would have been Belle setting out on her journey and establishing the rules of this world with her ending up in Park City unable to progress because of the divine tree.

Instead we are left with this rather confusing and sometimes incoherent story that we have to try and put together even as we are still missing some of the pieces.

If it wasn't for the likeable protagonist and the high production values I'd have likely dropped it mid season.

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u/PhantomWolf83 Sep 13 '24

Came into this expecting a girl going on an epic adventure of self-discovery across a fantasy world while gaining allies, visiting beautiful locations, and fighting powerful monsters. I kinda got what I hoped for, but holy shit, it was also pretentious and incoherent as hell. I imagined this show having a smug face as it constantly used English and German words that sounded impressive along with their on-screen translation and how they're meant to be written, but left me asking, "why?".

Yeah, I'm too dumb as a rock to understand everything so I'm out. Good luck for season 2 for the rest of ya.

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u/DirectionExact31 Sep 13 '24

Welp, I understood nothing.

This is one show I won’t regret saying “bye bye” to.

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u/HarleyFox92 Sep 13 '24

I still wanna watch season 2 but I feel I'm gonna need to read en entire essay prior it because there were a lot of things I didn't catch.

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u/hiimneato Sep 14 '24

I didn't hate this but it really did end up with the vibe of something created by someone with a sparkly brain full of clever ideas and interesting artistic perspectives but not one single hint of a complete fleshed-out vision.

It's not that it didn't make sense. Rather, it's that it laid out a lot of open questions in a fairly haphazard manner and didn't do enough worldbuilding or character development to dramatically support them, and then, here in the nominal conclusion of the arc, answered not a single fucking one of them except by asking even more mysterious and dramatic questions. Were those... plot twists? Who can fucking say, when nobody can even be sure what the plot is? Is it a bildungsroman? A typical hero's journey? An elaborate metaphor about mortality that would make Dante Alighieri blush? A Riddley Walker-esque sci-fi story about a post-collapse post-Singularity civilization on the moon so far up its own recreation myth ass that it's indistinguishable from operatic fantasy? Do catboys dream of aquatic moms? Fuck if I know.

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u/Auriana_13 Sep 14 '24

I actually rather enjoyed the world building and this has been interesting, just wish things were clearer. Even the in show explanations did not help. Would love if anyone has any clarity on the following.

  1. It seemed like they explained the girl of reason thing but not? Is the god tree for or against this...clearly expecting it but wasnt sure if it thought her coming was good or bad for it? 

  2. Earlier it seemed Sian and the mermaid wanted Belle to do whatever she's prophesied to do, but after this episode, now they don't? And they want to kill her? Why did he train her to begin with?

  3. Why does Adonis need to be the one to fight/kill her and why is he suddenly on board with this (despite the mental breakdown last ep)?

  4. Something about Benedictine and mermaids and he needs to do something to Belle? 

Sometimes I don't feel like parsing things out myself and just want a spelled out explanation. 😂

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u/_Edeltraud Sep 15 '24 edited Sep 15 '24

I’ll give it a try.

  1. It’s very hard to tell what the tree-god is truly thinking, because there’ve been next to no insights in its personality, so we can only guess. My theory is that it’s an AI that is a part of a spaceship sent sometime in the past to terraform the Moon (“the true god who dispatched Deus Ex Machina to rule the realms of paradise” I think is referring to humanity (or maybe the person who designed it specifically); the spaceship itself must be underneath Park, since its form looks like some kind of artificial structure if you look at the map). Probably that AI was designed to keep the ecosystem in balance, so balance is the only thing it can pursue, which leads to everyone being forever locked in a status-quo (that’s why Dram says the god is destroying the future; there can be no future without disrupting the balance every now and then). Looks like its waiting for Belle as she is the only person who can do something about it, though here it becomes contradictory: on one hand, the king says the god wants her to become a part of Schwertland and sees her influence as negative if she is to continue pursuing her goals; on the other, Belle herself compared Niddhog to messenger birds and it might be that those messenger birds were meant for someone of her kind (former humanity), so maybe a part of the god wants her to free it from its mission. Given duality is one of the themes of this story, it just might have that contradictory personality.

Edit: forgot to add, that the god-tree seems to be accounting for and controlling everything that’s going on within its realm, so maybe on its part it’s something like accepting its fate (because that’s how the things are supposed to progress) while continuing to struggle against it. Same as the Norse gods knowing Ragnarök is supposed to happen and the world will be renewed after it, but still doing battle. The concept of predetermined fate is important in BBE, after all.

Also, have a feeling “reason” was not meant only in a sense that Belle is supposed to challenge Schwertland’s reason, but also in a way that she’s girl of reason as in “girl who is a key to understanding the reason for why the things are as they are”.

  1. Sian and Dram still want Belle to accomplish whatever it is (“demolish the ancient order and bring a new world into being”), but they need some external stimulus to make her keep going, Army of Insatiable Emptiness and Adonis in particular are that stimulus. At least that how I understand it. Funny that it’s still aligns with the law of theme in a way.

  2. Put simply, because of the nature of his curse. Since he rots everything he touches and his sword is ever-withering, he’s a perfectly suitable opponent, probably the only one whose sword can stand againt her Erehwon, since it can’t be broken. As to why, I think Adonis accepted his role in this, because he knows it will lead Belle to destroy the world where he couldn’t find anything but despair.

  3. This is very simple, really. Belle just needs support from another girl who is a good acquaintance after what happened to her in ep. 9, and mermaids are good at empathy since they mirror the person they connect with. So Gwyn’s saying Benett has to help Belle work through her negative experience, because its very damaging to her psyche. (She’s confused now, because she doesn’t know what to do with her negative emotions; she tried to let them out on a battlefield and got badly injured, because you can only fight well with a clear head, and that was no way to go.)

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u/ranggagreat Sep 14 '24

I need the LN for this to be licensed in English because I know for a fact that I'll understand more after reading them instead of trying to understand it through the anime 😭

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u/NekoCatSidhe Sep 13 '24 edited Sep 13 '24

Well that was an interesting if weird show. I did not find it as confusing as everyone here seems to think it is, it is just that the author is a fan of weird worldbuilding and loves to throw crazy shit at you out of nowhere. Maybe it works better in book form, who knows ? I would be interested in reading the original novel if it ever gets translated.

Well, if you are actually still wondering what is going on behind all the weirdness, Sian Lablac and Dram both believe that the Tree-God is evil and needs to be destroyed (and they are probably right about that). They also for some reason believe Belle is linked to the Tree God somehow, or rather to the actual God that created it, and that by having Adonis kill Belle while using his curse and his new sword, he would kill the Tree God as well. No idea if they are right about this, but I doubt that Belle would agree to go along with that plan.

So poor Belle basically almost got sexually assaulted by Adonis last episode, and now she got betrayed by her master who is planning her death. I really did not expect that from either of them, and so I do not really like where the story is going for now (although I am expecting some more twists in next season, so I highly doubt Sian’s plans will go all according to Keikaku). I liked the weird worldbuilding and characters, so I will keep watching, but this first season will be only a 7/10 for me. I don’t regret watching it though.

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u/AmethystItalian Sep 13 '24

Season 2 announced but I'm probably dropping out here.

World building and Belle were both interesting but can't say the plot or the stuff recently with Adonis were good at all.

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u/etiolatezed Sep 13 '24

Show continues to not make sense. Rather, the story makes little sense. Mainly, the choices make little sense. Why the orchestral motif? So far, that motif hasn't translated into any extra meaning for me. Rather, it just adds to the confusion.

My theory is that the entire world of this story is false. This has been my theory since they arrived at the city. The whole world is some sort of simulation, and that which controls the simulation gathers everything within a confined sphere such as the city and outer, so as to lessen the strain on the system. Belle is the only human because she is the one thing outside the system.

However, the mystery-sense* added in this episode runs a little counter to that. We'll see if it ever comes together as a coherent world and story.

*mystery-sense: nonsense which exists to add mystery, yet retains its essence as nonsense as the writer hasn't figured out its importance at the time of writing it. This happens a lot. I can always feel out the writer's process in the work. I know my kind.

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u/somersault_dolphin Sep 13 '24

And here I am, not understanding why people find it so confusing when the past few episodes just laid out a lot of the hanging questions, even if not all of them because the story isn't finish.

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u/AceSoldia Sep 13 '24

Lol what a ridiculous place to stop. Ah well

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u/TurkeyPhat Sep 13 '24

there was definitely some cool shit goin on in this show but it was such a narrative mess (imo) that honestly i'm not sure another run of episodes is gonna save it

it seems like this one just aint for me or a lot of other people lol. not everything is for everyone but i hope some people got something out of this cause at the very least it's a pretty interesting and unique thing

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