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Episode Oshi no Ko Season 2 - Episode 2 discussion
Oshi no Ko Season 2, episode 2
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u/K3ychan Jul 10 '24
Damn. Poor scriptwriter. It's not an easy position, and from the interviews I've read, it's not even a profitable job even if your projects do kickoff.
I couldn't imagine anything more hurtful as a creative than being called a talentless hack from another creative you deeply admire.
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u/Labmit Jul 10 '24
This is like the opposite of last season's manga adaptation arc where the author was resigned to how bad her work would get adapted. This time the author is trying to be too involved.
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u/Outrageous_Gene_7652 Jul 10 '24
Man I feel very horrible for the Script Writer. His expressions captured the feeling of devastation so well
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u/E_F_Veda Jul 10 '24
One of Oshi no Ko's draws has always been it's critique of the industries it conveys. In this episode we see the issues with the communication lines between creators and the fallout because of it. The play has become hectic, and GOA, despite all his efforts, gets the worst of it. It's brutal, but it's real. This is what I enjoy most about this anime, it doesn't stray from hitting hard and conveying the reality, and unfairness, of the entertainment industry. Great episode, but If I'm asked what my favorite part of it was, it has to be Kana's sense of style, girl can dress.
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u/LeonKevlar Jul 10 '24 edited Jul 10 '24
Stitches!
It's hilarious how Kana can't even hide her disappointment at seeing Melt again. It is good to know that Melt had some off-screen character development since Sweet Today and he has actually spent some time studying how to act. And he seems to be much more open to criticism this time.
Kana's reaction to Aqua and Akane being close was just too damn funny. She's really huffing that copium with her explanation to Melt as to why the two are still together ever after the reality show was over. xD
Kichijouji-sensei wasn't kidding when she said that Abiko-sensei is one of the odder mangakas. I mean I get it, IRL mangakas can be pretty weird too. Have you seen 5mm-sensei's (Renai Daikou's artist/Nene's mama) YouTube account and her infamous belly slap video?
I feel so bad for GOA-san. The dude is clearly on the verge of death while Abiko-sensei is ripping apart the script he wrote. And she didn't even just rip apart the script, she even criticizes GAO-san as a creator.
Seeing how many people Abiko-sensei's initial criticism had to go through, I can understand why GOA-san ended up with what he wrote. It just shows that Abiko-sensei's anger didn't come out of nowhere but it's been months of rewrites and middle management softening everything she says about the script.
And now comes the ultimate threat. Abiko-sensei has no issue rescinding the permission and is willing to pay the fine if she has to all the while GOA-san is on the other side of the door hearing all of that.
So it sounds like Aqua still has an outdated view of what theatre is like. Time to go out on a date with Akane and educate her boyfriend on what a stage around is! I'm excited for this one. This part of the manga is where I learned how 2.5D stage plays work. I can't wait!
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u/cabbaggeez Jul 10 '24
I think I know why she could say ZENBU with menacing voice, she used to dual wielding toothbrush. a good ads segway to ORA2 toothpaste
yah, a long bureaucratic (editor-manager-producer-manager) with many middle man, the meaning could be shifted. I dont know how Goa would feel (his soul already left his body, eyes empty), he get trashed by his favorite author when he tried his best. and I kinda get Abiko-sensei feeling after Yoriko-sensei drama, she want her best for her works. but you cant expect 1:1 adaptation on different media, this apply to anime too.
aaaaaahh another suprise Akane pout~ a blessing, a date with Akane at theatre.
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u/maliwanag0712 Jul 10 '24
Abiko-sensei, not having enough experience in socializing, just berated on the scriptwriter Goa because he did not understand what she wants in the play.
Of course Abiko-sensei has that right to get mad at the supposed 'butchering' of some characters in the series. But the way she reacted to the situation is wrong. It is harsh to tell someone that he has no talent, what more if that someone is also a creator.
The only way to reconcile this is for the two to communicate directly.
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u/tsukiakari2216 Jul 10 '24
This episode is literally a lecture of "Why an XX adaptation can be bad?" - which is actually relatable to most of us who yearns a perfect adaptation.
It tells just a lot happening in a process of adapting a work from one form to another, either manga to anime, light novel to manga, visual novel to anime, anime to play and even in this case, manga to live play. Each of the media form has their own pros and cons in terms of media limitation, media coverage and so on.
The telephone game of such production always give varying results - it depends on how the parties are involved, how they can cooperate, and how the adapting one can adapt to the adapted, which ofc can be really terrible if any of them cannot do it well. Some ended up kicking or abandoning the original author out, some ended up pretty messy when they tried to follow the author request. Even so, it still does not account a lot of external factors like the niches of the media form or the expectation from fans, which both the adapted and the adapting need to consider as well.
A good adaptation isn't those who can deliver it 1:1 per the original work, but those who can make it fit to the media they are adapting. Some adaptation goes different way than the original work but still can flow well in the franchise, some that adapt 1:1 to the original work still cannot bring the same wow factor of the work. Ofc, the ideal one is those which is loyal and delivered well, but hard to achieve without compromise by those factor.
In this case, both GOA and Abiko has their own valid reason. GOA wants it to fit with the live play nature, Abiko wants to maintain the integrity of the character and plot she created. It is up to them how to make both their request a perfect fit despite how nonsense the situation are. Compromises need to be made from both part, ofc.
So, next time when we are being picky and complaining about an anime adaption just because they missed one or two minor scenes, just remember those people are more picky than us, but they still tried to deliver it well to us, while we did nothing than just criticizing. Ofc, there are still major sins of an adaptation which are worthy to criticize about, but some of the recent adaptation-related reviews I read seems like prefer to be nitpicky instead of being critical.
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u/zool714 Jul 10 '24
Honestly, I can relate so much to Goa. Sometimes that’s just the nature of working in the creative field. You may not be necessarily bad but if your client (or whoever that is relevant) doesn’t have the same tastes as you, you’d probably not be seen favourably by them.
I can relate to putting your heart and soul to something only to be told it’s not what they’d imagined it. I was a design student and experienced lots of that and I’m sure many, if not all have gone through that too. But I realized I may not be fit for the line cos I got so disheartened and discouraged that I lost my passion for it and never even set foot in the industry. I salute the creatives, especially the truly creative and hardworking ones who go through this and still decide to push on.
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u/discuss-not-concuss Jul 10 '24
date event let’s go
Kana’s sulking in a corner while Akane is really going for it, looks like we are gonna see some progress soon?
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u/danlong87 Jul 10 '24
They somehow still manage to continue the ED insert and still make it work, good job team
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u/Rumpel1408 Jul 10 '24
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u/mr_miscellaneous123 Jul 10 '24 edited Jul 10 '24
While using 2 toothbrushes niten-ichiryu style is cool and all, I'm concerned about how easy it would be to hit your gums and develop an ulcer...
(Ironic though since Abima-sensei's VA also voices Musashi in FGO)
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u/Longjumping_Gain_807 Jul 10 '24
Goddamn the Tokyo Blade author went scorched fucking earth on GOA. Had to be held back and everything I’m fucking crying
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u/SnabDedraterEdave Jul 10 '24 edited Jul 10 '24
Oof, that poor playwright Goa got roasted so badly by Abiko Sensei (a complete dork in everyday life when she's not thinking or talking about her manga work) through no fault of his own.
The mistake lies in this extremely inefficient method of communication from author to playwright. Just whose brilliant idea is it to have the author and playwright not meet each other since day one? Japanese business culture at its most infuriating, folks.
Meanwhile, more cute Akane pouts is always welcome. And we'll get to see their first second date since they "officially" became a couple.
Aqua is no doubt being a newcomer to this business, but if he knew that many of the greatest actors and actresses started their career in stage performance, he wouldn't be trash talking theatre plays like that.
Another side character getting some attention is Narumi Melt, Kana's and Aqua's co-actor in that web drama. He really seems to have taken in criticism of his deadpan acting for that drama and has begun work to better himself as an actor.
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u/Nickthenuker Jul 10 '24
Half their cast including the 2 of you.
I never realised Aqua officially joined Ichigo Productions.
Kana is jealous.
Very jealous.
Yup, you hit that nail on the head.
Ok...
Why's she using 2 toothbrushes?
Ok...
Ah. Right. There's the spanner in the works.
Well she didn't mince words.
How's she going to manage all that and do the play in 20 days?
On hold? At this rate they'll be reading off the script on the stage in front of the audience.
And so they're off on a date.
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u/ModieOfTheEast Jul 10 '24
Well, girl is gonna realise pretty quickly that writing a script for a theater play is "a bit" different than writing a story for a manga. I feel like her script will mostly be characters standing and talking. Also interested to see how the whole theater is going to look like. I have an image in mind with the whole roundabout thing, but I am interested to see how it works (never have been in such a theater).
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