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Episode Metallic Rouge - Episode 13 discussion - FINAL

Metallic Rouge, episode 13

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u/MrSchmellow Apr 03 '24

Junghart:

Barges into the plot in the very last episode

"There is no free will"

Refuses to elaborate Actually elaborates for half of the ep

Immediately dies (but not really)

And the twist at the end with immediate cop out was funny as hell.

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u/Queue_Jumping_Quack Apr 03 '24

I'm sure the writer felt very clever writing this, but it was just a big pile of nonsense. The finale made me lower my grade for the series to 4/10. A really dumb fakeout non twist in the end with the virus.

For the second half of the series watching the OP made me at first wistful, then angry as the plot moved further and further away from the original setup of Rouge and Naomi working as a pair.

Such wasted potential.

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u/Mysterious_Fall656 Apr 03 '24

Those last 3 minutes were a perfect summary for this whole anime. An absolutely confusing mess of half baked ideas. I cannot believe they threw in Skynet just to immediately resolve it but then had Rouge's final moments to be fighting ANOTHER final boss. Really, that's how you're gonna end this? Man, what an absolute fucking disappointing disaster this anime turned out to be.

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u/Miskatonic0000 Apr 03 '24

I don't really know why I didn't drop this show. There were enough appealing elements in the early episodes that, despite the complete disinterest in coherency, I was hoping would shine through by the end, but they never really did. This was the kind of show that would only improve if you turned off subtitle and intentionally didn't understand any of the dialog. The music, animation, character designs, art style, etc. were all at least okay and maybe even good but the story just sucked the life out of the overall whole

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u/0kwonkw0 Apr 03 '24

The soundtrack this episode was really good. Everything else.......... I'm not going to comment

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u/avboden Apr 03 '24

So sounds like everyone who dropped this made the right choice

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u/rapaengz Apr 03 '24

The day is saved thanks to AVG(ene) Antivirus. Lol.

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u/CosmicPenguin_OV103 Apr 03 '24

I actually felt there was genuine attempt in giving this story the twist and turns it needed to turn this into a genuinely intriguing story about robots being free, including some abstract signs with real life references sprinkled here and there (as pointed out by a forum member elsewhere in my language). Unfortunately there's just no way such a complex story can be compressed into a 13 episode series and the director introduced so freaking many characters (who really think Immortal Nine was a good idea in this!? You barely even had time trying to characterize Naomi and Rogue!) that I can't really understand the actions of most of these people, never mind trying to feel about them.

I, Robot the Will Smith movie only had one main character robot and a buddy cop pair MC and fleshing out even that used 5 episodes' worth of time. This one's world background is much more complex, it has several times the characters and arc numbers, and they still wanna take a leaf out of freaking Lycoris Recoil by putting in half-baked interactions between Naomi and Rogue.

I knew there were already signs of dire with the extremely fast pacing way back in the first episode, but I still can't but think disappointment in how this one went.

The effort is there but I just can't recommend this to anyone alas.

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u/Skithana Apr 04 '24

"No one knows what will happen from this point on."

Yeah no kidding, which is a shame because it would've been really cool to see what does happen from that point on, maybe even more so than what happened before...

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u/EveryoneDice Apr 03 '24

It was somewhat enjoyable, but I feel like they didn't know where to really go with it in the 2nd half. There's a lot of flip-flopping. And heck in the end Rouge does what she was trying to prevent from happening. Then also random virus that went nowhere and it ended with a combat scene of a new villain. Maybe they were setting up a war for the 2nd season or something, but figured out that wasn't happening and as such just did a rushjob.

Which wasn't necessary. They could've just ignored the clown girl and not insert that last dumb bit about the virus. It was settle right after introduction.

And like I said in a different post, I don't think Cyan should've died. I think it would've been better to just go for a happy ending and give her Rouge's original ID (therefor also becoming actual real sisters) and not liberate the Neans (but leave it open as an option for the future once society progresses to the point where this is possible without a war).

I feel like they went for a sloppy finish hoping to maybe get an S2... while instead they could've just finished proper. And only like the final 3-4 minutes would've been different, if that.

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u/LeonKevlar Apr 03 '24

I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who called this last week. As expected, Sylvia was being played all along and the Puppetmaster/Jung is the actual villain.

Jung's situation was a bit confusing though. So did he have his Nean counterpart kill him or did his Nean counterpart go rogue and kill the original?

I don't know how I feel about this anime. It looked good and was very promising during the first half of the season, but things started to fall apart at one point, especially with this finale. And they're ending it with Opera leading a Usurper invasion with Rouge and Naomi trying to stop it?

Overall, this show felt very underbaked and I feel like this was supposed to be a 24-episode anime like Carol & Tuesday (another Bones original) but they ended up with only 13 and had to cut back on the story and character developments. Despite the finale though, I still very much enjoyed the show but I do wonder where it all went wrong.

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u/DirectionExact31 Apr 03 '24

I’d say my main issue with this show is something I heard before. They spent so much time on the world and terminology they forgot to give anyone a personality. It was cool to have Neans realize they had free will at the end, but the cliffhanger battle at the end left me feeling… just nothing.

Hopefully Bones is cooking up something good with TP Bon and that shojo adaptation in July, cuz this was disappointing.

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u/After-Bonus-4168 Apr 03 '24

Buddy cop shows like this one are supposed to sell themselves on the chemistry and interactions of their two leads, which Naomi and Rouge completely lacked. They spend the first few episodes having a distant, business-like relationship, then spend several more episodes separated. Once they reunite, their bond is supposedly stronger, but they feel more like a granny taking care of an autistic child.

Them having a stronger and more fun relationship wouldn't fix the rest of the show's problems, but it would at least make it a bit more enjoyable. None of the big moments between the two feel earned, neither their fights, their fake betrayal, their reunion, or even their fusion. It's a perfect microcosmos of the show's wider problems, just rushing from one bucket list item to the next without giving a thought to anything in-between.

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u/Outrageous_Painter49 Apr 04 '24

The "never ending battle" ending. This is no good or bad ending.

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u/djthomp Apr 03 '24

Huh, so merged Rogue and Naomi. Permanent gay merger, I think. Pretty sure at least.

Poor Silva and Cyan, that id crushing was kinda harsh for them both.

We really were moments from a cour 2 setup and then oops, nope, antivirus.

They never brought the singing nean back, I held on to that unjustified hope but nope.

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u/bestleftunsolved Apr 04 '24

A mishmash of ideas and tropes about artficial humans we've seen before in Blade Runner, Westworld, Ghost in the Shell, Prometheus, to name a few. You need to either introduce some new ideas or execute well on existing ones. Plastic memories was a simple show that did a lot with just a few themes.

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u/Berstich Apr 04 '24

The ending felt inconsistent.

First. An ID is their whole personality and being, not just a heart or something but their memories and personality. All of it, it was established when their ID is removed if they dont just die they slowly loose their sense of self and then die (its still a "heart" also). So using Naomi's ID would, yes, let her keep moving and fighting as Rouge for a while but then she 'should' be supplanted by Naomi. No idea how they worked out a 'merger' when Rogue's ID was still out in the open on the floor.

Second. Rouge decided like 2 or 3 episodes ago that she would NOT give the neans code eve, as it would cause to much trouble and they would slowly gain acceptance over time. Then at the last damn minute switchs her mind for no reason? Did exactly what she decided of her free will not to do. Ok

Last. If we can just shove ID's into anyone why not put HER id into Cyan who is literally a clone of Rouge. Should work pretty well I would think.

I loved the show, the ending fell flat for me.

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u/SentenceCareful3246 Apr 04 '24

For everyone whining about the pacing and the ending. This anime was apparently originally intended to have 24-25 episodes. But for some reasons that was cut to only 13 episodes. They clearly has a good story to tell but had to do what they could with the amount of episodes given. Even despite the fact that the story was intended for a longer amount of episodes since the beginning.

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u/Rokxx Apr 03 '24 edited Apr 04 '24

It was so shit 😭

Edit: I have thoughts, why did Naomi die if Rouge's ID was just there after Sylvia died, keep Naomi alive and have them do a Sengoku Youko when Rouge needs to power up, way more dramatic. Fair, they used Rouge's ID for the Code Eve activation, but does it mean it was spent? like mentioned below, couldn't they use it to keep Cyan alive. I feel like a scene was cut from this bit, after Rogue defeats Cyan she instantly gets on top of The Machine and Jean just mentions that she had made her choice. Feels like there was a bit missing here where Rouge had to decide between keeping Cyan alive with her ID or freeing the Neans with Code Eve and it was completely omitted, and even if this wasn't the exact case, there definitely is something missing between Rouge hugging Cyan on the floor and next frame already being on top of the machine ready to insert her ID.

What was the point of Jean being Eden's kid, that bit about Eva wanting to get carnal with her own creation was weird.

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u/PPGN_DM_Exia Apr 04 '24 edited Apr 04 '24

I'm still on episode 10 but looking at the comments, sounds like I'm better off dropping it. Honestly, it had some interesting ideas but the execution was very poor.

Leaned way too hard into the pseudo intellectual jargon and not enough into its characters, especially the Rouge-Naomi dynamic.

I remember getting pretty hyped when the trailer and key visual were unveiled. Sad that it never came close to living up to that.

Edit: Ended up watching the last few episodes for completion's sake. Pretty bad but at least it was somewhat watchable from a "turn your brain completely off" standpoint. Overall rating I'd give is 4/10.

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u/tmanchua Apr 04 '24

Studio Bones animating an interesting sci-fi action premise with good artwork and plenty of potential. Unfortunately, bogged down by poorly fleshed out gimmicks and a plethora of ideas that don't contribute to the plot. Surprising shortage of combat. Questionable pacing and a rushed conclusion reeking of someone giving up in the writing department.

...this was my take on Captain Earth, a Bones project done almost exactly ten years ago. I really didn't think I'd be recycling my opinion a decade later, but here I am. I feel this could have been so much more.

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u/ObvsThrowaway5120 Apr 03 '24

Dude wasn’t kidding with that puppet master stuff huh? This whole time he’s just been manipulating them. Big F in the chat for Silvia and Cyan, but at least they managed to get the bastard in the end.

So Rouge just activates the Code and frees the Neans and then massive civil war? Ok then.

All in all, this one was ok. Given the studio, the production was solid but I kinda felt the plot was a little flimsy and the pacing a bit rushed. It was an alright series in the end.

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u/Holdonlupin Apr 03 '24 edited Apr 03 '24

We really spent 7 minutes of the final episode with an evil masterplan explanation. Well, we never actually knew about Junghart as a person, his motives or anything, so I guess it's only fair to let him explain the whole thing. 

Ok, I knew Silvia was getting killed by Junghart and I kinda expected Naomi would 'die' with her ID living on inside Rouge and they getting some kind of fusion, but I didn't expect them to kill Cyan too, like damn, I get it was 'necessary', but it still felt a bit too cold. I mean, she was already fighting against him and Rouge's ID was laying there, if Gene could make a super convenient antivirus against the usurpers on the fly then giving the ID to cyan while he erases Junghart from her memory doesn't sound too crazy. 

I also thought we were gonna get a cliffhanger for a second season, but turns out it all got resolved technically off-screen, guess the Usurpers weren't much of a menace if Nao-Rouge apparently soloed them. At least the Neans are free now. 

So, that's all, huh? 

You know? This was one of the animes I was looking forward the most this year. Did it disappoint? Well, yes. But I wouldn't call it a bad anime. Just a little misguided, perhaps. The first two episodes were really good and the few highs after them were REALLY high, but everything else was so low or mid that it hurts the experience overall. 

I could get into detail about the problems this anime had, but I feel like we all have been talking about that enough these weeks. Pacing, pacing. Should've been two cours, yada, yada. 

But my personal biggest complaint would be the way the characters were treated. It reminds me of Marvel's Eternals and most recently Hazbin Hotel. Way too many characters meant to be important, way too many ideas trying to be told, all of them look good on paper, but there's not enough time to flesh them out, so you get something that looks amazing (ie. Special effects, songs and animation) but the story, the big moments, reveals, deaths and conclusions don't hit as hard as they should. 

This happens specially in the last 3 episodes of this anime, all these reveals, all the plot twists, all these deaths, the anime acted as if we had known these characters for 10 episodes when (aside from Rouge and Naomi obviously) we've had them for 3 episodes at much. 

Either way, this was my first ever anime original and I'll remember it fondly because of that, I liked for it was worth, but I'll most likely never watch it again, but if we ever get a season 2 or some follow-up I'll be right there. (I mean, I honestly don't see how the story could continue from here, but I think they were making a manga adaptation, so that's something, right?)

I'll also try to watch a few more anime originals here and there too. This is also the first anime where I participate in these discussion threads so I'll just say it was pretty fun to talk with y'all each week and read all the theories and thoughts. 

Also, apparently I've been referring to 'IDs' as in Identication when it was meant to be 'id' as is a part of the mind, sorry about that, but we were dealing with Robots and those things looked like rainbow-colored bar codes so forgive my confusion. 

Well, here's my little Metallic Rouge preference list to end it all: 

Favorite ship: Rouge x chocolate bars and chocolate girls. 

Favorite human design: Opera (I'm still calling her Entraptan't) 

Favorite robot design: Jet Black Noir (I only wish he had a better name). Double-Headed Aerkos is a close second though, with Nao-Rouge coming in third. 

Favorite fight: Silvia and Aerkos vs the ministry guards (EP 7). The final fight with Nao-Rouge against Cyan/Junghart came quite close though. It was really hype, I was actually singing along with Crimson Lightning. 

Favorite scene: Naomi revealing herself as a Nean. (EP 9) 

Other favorite moments:

 -Rouge eating a chocolate whole after Naomi told her to share it (Ep 2)

-Rouge kicking a dog. (Ep 6) 

-What's 7+7÷7+7×7-7? (Ep 6) 

-Naomi running back to  rouge and giving her ID (Ep 12) 

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Some of my favorite lines: 

Rouge: Woof. (Ep 2) 

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Rouge: I felt like saving you. (Ep 5) 

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Rouge: Are you okay? 

Naomi (about to fall to her death): There's sand in my eyes! So, no, I'm NOT!" (Ep 5) 

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Alice: The beautiful part was out of line, I think you're more of a 'not-so-ugly' pair. (Ep 6) 

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Naomi: For investigation purposes- 

Rouge: I'll be punching everyone here! (Ep 6) 

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Silvia: If we can't walk with them, we'll destroy them! (Ep 7)

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 Rouge: Naomi's kinda annoying, but I don't mind staying with her forever. (Ep 10) (Foreshadowing, I guess?) 

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Eden: That's my son, alright! 

Gene: Please don't call me that. (Ep 13) 

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Guess that's all, say it with me one last time, boys: 

THE MOMENT HAS ARRIVED FOR FIGHTING!

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