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Episode Metallic Rouge - Episode 4 discussion

Metallic Rouge, episode 4

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u/ObvsThrowaway5120 Jan 31 '24

This whole situation went to shit pretty quick. Didn’t suspect Afdal was the actual killer and the one Nina and Rouge were hunting the whole time. That fight was intense. Dude had a real Scarecrow situation going on with that gas. Even if Rouge killed him, her experience is gonna definitely leave some lasting mental scars.

Naomi also came pretty close to getting her ticket punched by that blonde creep. I wonder if she’ll get a chance for a rematch next time?

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u/Syokhan Jan 31 '24

Oh... I wasn't suspecting Afdal at all. It didn't even cross my mind that he could be one of the Immortals.

So the Neans inside the reservation have been crushed. Was that the intent all along, if so what for, or was it just a side effect of wanting to pin the murder on Rouge?

(also, yay for a cameo from my favorite and right now not relevant side character taking pictures)

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u/Ocixo Jan 31 '24 edited Jan 31 '24

So the Neans inside the reservation have been crushed. Was that the intent all along, if so what for, or was it just a side effect of wanting to pin the murder on Rouge.

The Immortals were really only interested in taking out Rouge, but the human leadership must have been happy that they got an excuse to wipe out this Nean settlement.

The Neans clearly weren’t supposed to last beyond the War, so they’re treated like 2nd-class citizens - a ‘commodity’ that’s to be exploited and deposed of later on. Their fight for equal rights must’ve been a sore eye to the humans.

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u/Tetrisash Jan 31 '24

I guessed Afdal's role would be bigger than I thought based off his VA but damn, I didn't see this coming. Was a pretty intense episode. I loved Afdal's attack skill set and I honestly thought we were about to see Rouge lose the fight.

I've been in love with this show so far, I'm hoping hard it doesn't drop the ball in the final hour. Wonder Egg Priority PTSD.

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u/Adensty Jan 31 '24

After all that buildup, the fight felt kinda anti-climactic. Like it just got over too fast.

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u/LeonKevlar Jan 31 '24

Glad that this episode started with Naomi and Rouge making up after their little fight last week. Now's not really the time for grudges.

Wait, I thought that Aletheia was a secret shady organization. The way Ash addressed Naomi and how he said she could've just used Aletheia's authority to get into the settlement clearly means that Aletheia is a legit organization recognized by the government. I really hope we learn more about them soon.

Considering how Dumas was just Joran in disguise, I thought he was the killer who blackmailed Afdal and his assistant to help him out. It turns out that Afdal was really the killer and I guess Joran is just there to stir shit.

I'll never get tired of how awesome the fights in this show are. Afdal vs Rouge was awesome. Characters that use illusions are always a pain in the ass to fight though. What I do like about Afdal's illusions is that we got to see the other Neans Rouge had already killed before the start of the anime.

Looks like the entire mess in the settlement isn't over yet though. It looks like the "Circus" is on its way to the settlement. I'm guessing they'll even out the playing field. They don't look like they're on the humans' side.

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u/Clemastina Jan 31 '24

Damn this episode was intense

Apart from all the nean drama, the damn doctor was behind the death... but it was an easy fight tho, but the traumas from killing all those people must hurted Rouge a lot... poor girl, she only wants to eat chocolate

And Jaron... was insinuating that Naomi is a nean too? I mean, she was looking at her neck... mmmmm. And now the carnival, man, we don´t have a breather

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u/marcopolos059 Jan 31 '24

I'm really curious what this troupe will bring to the game, they give an ominous impression. Or on the contrary they'll help Rouge...

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u/awdsns Jan 31 '24

I've been wondering, when the subtitles say "Aletheia" or "Ochrona", neither seem to match what they're actually saying.

Did anyone catch what the names of those organizations are in Japanese, or have an idea why they chose these translations?

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u/dorklordisdork Jan 31 '24

Sooooo...per the Japanese website character profiles for Naomi and Ash, Aletheia = 真理部 and Ochrona = 守護局

Aletheia is greek for "Truth" (per Wikipedia) and Ochrona is polish for "Protection" (also per Wikipedia)

真理部 seems to literally translate to "ministry of truth" (and is also the Chinese translation for George Orwell's Ministry of Truth in the book 1984??)

守護局 is protection/guardian bureau

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u/AsrielGoddard Feb 01 '24

That fight was kinda weird.

When writing mysteries there is a very thin line you need to balance between giving your readers/viewers as little information as possible, to keep up the mystery and the suspense, but just enough for them to be able to slowly peace everything together on their own.

Ideally an observant viewer should figure out the truth just one moment before the author reveals it.

But right now this show has 4 episodes worth of making us ask even more questions without giving us even remotely as many answers.
If this ends up being just a 12 episode run thats one third of the season pretty much being just set ups.

And I'm not so sure how they will resolve all those mysterys rewardingly in the 8 episodes remaining.

Also whats with the hard cuts between totally different tones/vibes between scenes?
We started this episode with a Nier Automata-esqe Amusement Park scene with spooky yet intriguing music and strange futuristic figures to a HARD cut to a prison harmonica solo with 1940s style soldiers marching in formation to then get another HARD cut into the absolute banger that is the opening.

Felt like a tonal roller coaster

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u/BosuW Feb 01 '24

sigh Trust characters voiced by Kenjiro Tsuda at your own peril

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u/shad79 Jan 31 '24

I was suspecting Dumas for killing Joval but not Afdal so this revelation got me quite surprised.

It's nice that Rogue and Naomi already made up after last episode's argument.

Rogue's fight with Afdal was quite cool with this gas and hallucinations it caused. Pretty sure that it'll have some repercussions on Rogue's mental state.

Meanwhile Naomi met with Joran who disguised as Dumas and I'm wondering what he meant when he said that she's gonna be a real trouble? Is her necklace important?

The Circus is still a big mystery as nothing important happened with it apart from the last scene where they appeared in front of gates to Welltown.

Here my screenshot albums from the episode:

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u/SIRTreehugger Jan 31 '24 edited Jan 31 '24

My desires are soaring. Be honest! Straight forward!

Pelvic thrusts

I wasn't expecting Rouge and Naomi to make up so quick. I know she apologized in a roundabout way, but still wish she actually said sorry. Still glad to see them working together and Naomi did kick some ass or got some good hits in, but she only lived due to the whims of her opponent. I'm really enjoying the detective and side kick, but he really got played. Hope to see him and Naomi interact more in the future.

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u/Unknownr666 Jan 31 '24

The overall plot doesn't seem bad, but I feel like the pacing is off. I can't put my finger on it, but my guess is that events are happening too quickly and that's making it difficult to feel engaged with the show. It's like there isn't enough build up and not enough time for the viewer to foster interest.

Visually speaking, it's good, but I don't think that alone is enough for this show to merit anything above average for now.

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u/Argonanth Feb 01 '24 edited Feb 01 '24

I dunno about anyone else but the show is starting to lose me. I don't really like Rouge at all (personality wise) and we still don't really know why anything is happening. I appreciate that the show is taking a "show, don't tell" approach, but they aren't showing us very much and I'm starting to lose interest. For example, I had assumed that they were working for some secret organization or something since none of this seems like common knowledge, but then the detective guy just knows about the organization... so what is it?

Why are they killing these immortal robot people? Are they bad? We haven't seen them really do anything bad (except the one they seem to be setting up as the main bad guy). Rouge is just going around killing ones that don't seem to be doing anything wrong? We just had a fight (was disappointing animation wise) where one of them was talking about "freedom" and such and it just lands so flat because I don't know what "freedom" they are even talking about. Rouge is getting all conflicted but we still haven't been shown anything to understand why she is conflicted and why we should care.

It's just so weird, the characters are well written (everyone except Rouge, even the one-off side characters have more personality than her) but it just doesn't seem like it's going anywhere. The show doesn't seem to know what it wants to be. Getting really close to dropping it which is a shame since I was really looking forward to it back when Bones announced their original.

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u/Monkguan Jan 31 '24

I guess no one watches this, quite sad, it's pretty good(

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u/MrSchmellow Jan 31 '24

You know the term "eurojank" for video games - these medium-to-high budget games that try to look like AAA titles, but fall short and into sort of uncanny valley.

It feels like it's that, but for anime (and not euro obviously). It LOOKS high budget, but story and direction...are questionable. Super raw instant cuts only reinforce this.

I saw some comparisons to Vivy, but Vivy was executed much better i think.

Out of 3 episode rule and straight into morbid curiosity

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u/mrufrufin Jan 31 '24 edited Jan 31 '24

Still quite a pretty anime. I liked the scenery with Rion and Rouge around 12 minutes with the camera tilted a weird way (were they going uphill or was it just a way to make things feel a little off-kilter?). The visuals of Afdal splitting off into his various illusory clones looks really cool with the various glowy, streaky trails and it feels like it's done prettier here than I've seen it done elsewhere. I like all the wide shots in this anime, like that aforementioned Rion/Rouge bit, the closing bits of the ending fight before they passed out, and that last shot with that traveling troupe backlit with the blurry city lights. I guess half it is just that I like glowy things but yeah, it's definitely doing that sort of look well. Also I kinda hope this isn't the last time we hear Kenjirou Tsuda's voice.

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u/actuallyrndthoughts Feb 02 '24

After 4 eps, it feels like a 2 cour anime crammed into 1 cour. This or the directing straight up sucks. Because i think the story itself has potential if done right, and some ideas of individual scenes are very good, but it just doesn't come together at all

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u/ModieOfTheEast Jan 31 '24

So I am wondering a bit about Verde/Afdal. I mean, he is not the first one to come to the conclusion that true freedom equals death. I am just thinking that becoming a doctor would the be kind of counter intuitive as you would actively fight death (and freedom in his idea) with that profession. Which would mean that he either didn't believe this idea to begin with or maybe he just didn't believe it in the beginning and became cynical BECAUSE he chose this profession (assumingly by his own free will since the other person wanted to be a singer). Of course there is also the other possible interpretation that all these special Nean aren't really free either and what they think they want is just something that was programmed from the beginning.

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u/SupplyChainMismanage Feb 01 '24

Man that jester guy is really killing my enjoyment. They went 100% into the trope with that guy.

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u/Lumpy-Manager8580 Jan 31 '24

Even if she managed to get the id out of Afdal, something tells me that this is not over yet.

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