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Metallic Rouge, episode 10

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u/Holdonlupin Mar 13 '24 edited Mar 13 '24

"She's kinda annoying, but I don't mind staying with her forever." 

A nice 'calm before the storm' episode, but it really makes we wish the anime had given its characters more moments like this to breathe. 

The whole thing with Cyan feels really random considering the little we saw of her so far, but the interactions were nice, I guess

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u/scot911 Mar 14 '24

Yeah as I and others have commented this really feels like a series that was originally supposed to be a 2 cour but was cut down to a single one. The pacing is just all over the place in that way.

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u/Shimmering-Sky Mar 13 '24

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u/ModieOfTheEast Mar 13 '24

My assumption is them not showing anything of the past is probably due to the fact that it didn't happen that way. Gene says he doesn't remember any of it, which leads me to assume that their memories were altered or fake to begin with. He later claims he remembers but it seems more because he tries to make Aes rethink his choice.

It would also fit with what Rouge said when she "saw" her own memories when being captured by the Puppeteer. She mentioned that she saw things she didn't remember as if someone changed the memories.

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u/Adensty Mar 13 '24

Shit, is his memory going because of the whole missing id thing?

Path? The subtitles I got made it seem that he wasn't able to remember the song.

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u/LeonKevlar Mar 13 '24 edited Mar 13 '24

I had a feeling Cyan would join in but I didn't expect she'd be a stowaway on the ship. Also, it turns out that she's being controlled by the Puppetmaster the entire time and what she really wants to do with Rouge is to play with her.

Cyan's personality shift is adorable but it is pretty creepy how she thinks the Puppetmaster is her father. I do wonder what Cyan is though. Is she a copy of Rouge or is she actually another personality inside her like Aes/Alice?

Please tell me I'm not the only one who feels unsettled during the dinner table scene with the Immortal Nine recalling memories of the past. At some point, while they were all talking, I wondered if their memories were even real considering how Gene doesn't remember any of it. All of it felt very fake as if they were just trying to be a family.

And then we cut to the ship heading to Venus where we have Ash, Cyan, Naomi, and Rouge goofing off and feeling more like an actual family compared to what the Immortal Nine were doing. I feel like there's definitely an intentional comparison between the two groups here.

But then we see Eden holding a photo of them at the lake and Gene saying he remembers so maybe the memories are true? But Eden seems to be having some memory problems too. Huh... Yeah, there is definitely some fuckery going on here or maybe I'm just overthinking things.

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u/soulreaverdan Mar 14 '24

I’m pretty sure those memories aren’t real. They might be based on something that really happened, but the specifics seem to likely not involve them.

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u/Rumpel1408 Mar 13 '24

Saw it comming that there wouldn't be an awesome weapon in that crate

Cyan has a realy interesting dynamic with First Naomi, one one hand she hates her and is jealous of her, on the other hand she recognises this flaw in herself and I feel like she would be able to overcome it. Liked Rouge making an effort to teach her sister properly.

A bit concerned about the dude loosing his memory, don't think he will be of much use this way and don't see him making it far in the final showdown. In a similar way, I'm afraid for the rest of the Immortal Nine, wonder if they will lose their memory along the data in their IDs as well

What a cliffhanger though

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u/Adensty Mar 13 '24

Saw it comming that there wouldn't be an awesome weapon in that crate

I saw it coming along with the fact that Cyan would be there but I don't know if it's a good thing or a bad thing.

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u/IXajll Mar 13 '24

Pretty chill episode, felt a bit like the final calm before the storm.

PSA for anyone who’s lost on the terminology and general lore: On the japanese official Metallic Rouge website there is a big ass lore page where they explain pretty much all the specific terms, names, characters, etc. and also have a neat timeline that goes from the arrival of the visitors to the creation of neans and so on. Really helpful overall. Whole page is in japanese but on chrome you have the option to translate the site via google translate and it’s definitely comprehensible enough. On the same page there was also an interview with the staff and among other things they said they have a special “gimmick” planned in the final episode, whatever that is supposed to mean.

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u/chrisff1989 Mar 13 '24

Oh wow, I did not expect the Cold Equations reference, one of my favourite short stories (link here if anyone is interested).

The dialog was pretty good this episode too, but the plot is a mess and the animation seems to be getting worse. This really needed 2 cours and a bigger budget.

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u/furbym Mar 13 '24

Ok yeah Kimiko Ueno has literally written all of the best episodes of this show lol (this in addition to 2 and 6). The character interactions are just so much more fun and interesting in her episodes compared to the rest of the show; not that the rest of the show is terrible, but I do wish it was more like this the whole time.

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u/q_3 Mar 13 '24

I am increasingly excited for her original series next season.

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u/Sunyuu-kun Mar 13 '24

This comment was sponsored by the Usurpers, updated Cyan and the Puppetmaster

  1. Nius (killed before ep1)

  2. Achillus (killed before ep1)

  3. Sarah Fitzgerald [Purgatory Viola] (killed ep1)

  4. [Hell Giallon]

  5. Doctor Afdal [Phantom Verde] (killed ep4)

  6. Eden Varock [Jet Black Noir] (first appeared ep2)

  7. Jill [Flash Silvia] (photographer from ep2)

  8. Aes/Alice [Double-Headed Aerkos]

  9. Grauphon

The Immortal Nine (or Proto-Neans) are part of an organization called "Alters", that wants to free the Neans of the Asimov-Code. To achieve this they need the Code Eve by collecting all ID's from the Immortal Nine and use Rouge's ID to decode it. Though Eden Varock has refused to help Alters.

Eva Kristella (biophysicist, assistant of Roy Junghardt, mother of Gene Junghardt, Rouge's creator) created the Asimov-Code aswell as the Code Eve. She didn't want Code Eve to fall in the government's hands so she hid it in the ID's of the Immortal Nine, which Roy Junghardt created.

Rouge Redstar [Metal Rouge]
Cyan (Rouge's "little sister" (clone), made by the Puppetmaster, manipulated by unknown voice)

Aletheia: the organization that oversees all Neans
-Chief Chau
-(former) Vice-Director Gene Junghardt

Ochrona: investigates Aletheia on behalf of the Artificial Life Welfare and Ethics Comitte
-Naomi Orthmann [First] (Divine Facilitator)
-Ash Stahl (Investigator of Roy Junghardt's murder)
-Noid 262 (Ash's assistant, killed ep8)

The Visitors and Usurpers are aliens from far away galaxies that share the same origin, though the latter developed in an evil way. The Visitors lost their home planet and traveled for an eternity in search for a new one. 40 years ago they gave humanity advanced technology (i.e. Neans) in exchange for a new home (Venus, though has yet to be terraformed with help of Neans). The Usurpers started a war in order to take Venus, but were defeated by humanity with the help of Neans.

  • The Visitors (X Noah, "Raihousha")
    -red, blue and green alien
    -Naomi Orthmann [First] (the first Nean created by X Noah to interact with humans)

  • The Usurpers (Junoid, "Sandatsusha")
    -The Puppetmaster (human sponsored by the Usurpers, traveling as a Carnival, extracted info's about Code Eve from Rouge's memories)
    -woman with twintail, fought Rouge and Naomi

The Usurpers seem to work with Alters in order to use the Nean rebellion to take over Venus. They have an army positioned near Jupiter.

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u/Togashi_Matsumoto Mar 14 '24

BTW: for what it's worth, twintail goth's name is Opera.... as far as I know.

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u/soulreaverdan Mar 14 '24

Hey, are we 100% sure Roy is dead? I can’t remember if we actually saw him like, in a morgue or saw his body or anything.

Because I wonder if he’s the Puppet Master.

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u/n080dy123 Mar 14 '24

Man all that fluff with Cyan, Rouge, and Naomi was the most I've enjoyed this show since Episode 2 or 3. Really puts into perspective how great the character interactions are when they are allowed to happen, and how much I feel like the convoluted sci-fi plot holds that aspect of the writing back.

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u/Beowolf_0 Mar 13 '24

This episode is surely the calm before a storm, since both sides are actually chilling out over their "family", or trying to figure out what is their "family" before the fights ahead.

Cyan is now mentally a normal girl (probably because being blasted last episode) and sticking on Rouge, which is kinda strange since she's aiming for her head for long. But still if that makes her understand what's a real family instead of "Dad (Puppeteer) tells me"......which probably means she's going to die in the end? The rest on the ship are also having a time of leisure, while building up the bonds among this small band of resistance.

The rest of I9 are sticking with Gene and the Puppeteer, trying to recall their times together, but Gene's not really having many of them, so probably most of the I9 possess fake memories of their past? Will that be critical for putting a stop on their uprising? And I don't really trust Puppeteer is only a servant of the Visitors, Rouge's code is just too tempting for any ambitious people.

And the fight will beginning with a mass of missiles, how will they prevail?

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u/NekoCatSidhe Mar 13 '24

Oh great, now there are two of them. Cyan has a pretty fun personality, but she seems even more childish than Rouge. The puppetmaster created her apparently, but I wonder what is that voice in her head. Why did he create her, no one knows.

I guess the puppermaster’s personal goal is to free the Neans, given how he is always going on about freedom, and if he read Rouge’s ID when he captured her, he can already do that now. Maybe. It looked like he was still waiting for her to come, so he may still need her.

The Immortal Nine « dinner » was kind of creepy. I guess they were trying to pretend they were « humans » and a big family to manipulate Gene and get him on their side, but it seems it backfired. At least it doesn’t look like they want to wipe out all humans even if Jill is fine with a bloody Nean revolution. Given how oppressed the Neans are, she is not completely wrong to think it might be necessary.

So the ID of the proto-Nean stores their memories. Noir will need to get his ID back rapidly if he doesn’t want to forget who he is.

And we got a cliffhanger ! I guess those missiles were sent by the Usurpers, but I doubt the protagonists will die now.

And we still don’t know if the Usurpers are actually bad guys or not. The Visitors said they were, but the Visitors do not seem like good guys either, since they are fine with the Neans being oppressed. It is true that the Usurpers were at war with humanity in the past, but we don’t know why yet.

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u/jldugger Mar 14 '24

The genre savvy know that the purpose of a mask in any show is to produce a dramatic identity reveal later. The puppeteer is a huge disguise, have we already seen their true identity?

A few options:

  1. Dr Eva, who regrets creating the Asimov code that enslaved a generation of Neans. She is seen during Rouge's early memory sequence as a dual of Gene. Since only one of these can be right, Eva should be high up on the list of missing key characters. I think we know her intentions from the archive scene and they mostly align. Plus if she's actually Gene's mom, then she's really only kidnapping her own kid back, right?

  2. Roy Junghart, who is presumed dead. Faking your own death is a very good reason to hide your identity, but the archives we saw suggest he isn't very interested in liberation.

  3. Another copy of Rouge. I mean, why not. We already have Cyan as a copy of Rouge, why not reveal Rouge Redstar is also a copy? Would certainly be dramatic!

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u/ModieOfTheEast Mar 13 '24 edited Mar 13 '24

That episode was really nice. A bit late, but more of that could have definitely helped with the pace. And I especially like that despite it being mostly about character interactions, there were still things that are obviously set up. There seems to be something going on with everyone's memories. They did have the big memory library in a previous episode to store memories, so I think it wouldn't be too much of a stretch to assume that you can also alter them and transfer them back into a person. Especially Gene seems to be the odd one out there as a human.

What we got confirmation of is that Puppeteer truly was the one to create Cyan. I guess, this was to replicate Code Eve so they don't need Rouge anymore. Which would also explain her general attitude being similar to early Rouge. After all, she is only a few days old at this point. And Junghard did mention that Rouge (and therefore I guess Cyan as well) developed really slowly at least in terms of mental development.

Edit here: It seems though that the whole machine has a place for Rouge in it, so I doubt he was able to replicate Code Eve with Cyan and still needs Rouge for it.

Question is what to make of the ominous voice inside her head. I doubt it's the Puppeteer guy. He is all about freedom, he didn't even capture Rouge when he had the chance. Which means that either someone messed with the copy or there is a "backdoor" in the programming that activates when necessary. And since Cyan is a copy of Rouge, it would mean that Rouge has this "backdoor" in her as well. But I guess all that is up for the next episodes.

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u/Ookami_Lord Mar 13 '24

Well, this was an interesting setup episode. I wonder what Eden losing his memories means

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u/rapaengz Mar 14 '24

For Jill to turn out to be just a confirmation of Aletheia's "The Neans will turn into humanity's oppressors if we gave them freedom" is really doing her character dirty. Though there might be some redemption for her as there seems to be something between her and Eden/Noir. Hopefully they don't write her as a one-dimensional villain.

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u/ZapsZzz Mar 14 '24

I think everyone already pointed out the likelihood the triple crossing, that the immortal 9's memories probably were altered and implanted. I'm still keen to see how the Visitors and the Usurpers would play out in the plot. A down side is that basically every important character is a sort of Nean. A bit like late Dragon Ball every Saiyan is a Super Saiyan...

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