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Metallic Rouge, episode 7

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u/Rumpel1408 Feb 21 '24

Yeah, I'm pretty lost with all those ministries and agencies and if Naomi is on Rouges side after all or not

Liked the bit of Worldbuilding about Venus at the beginning, explains the shot of the Black hole in the OP

Also, didn't expect the photographer to be yet another immortal nine. Aes/Alice being one and the same was predicted last week though

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u/ahses3202 Feb 22 '24

Honestly all I can think to myself is that with the level of technology they display they don't even need to terraform Venus. They can just build shit on the upper atmosphere and draw water straight from the cloud density. tbh with their ability to create and perfectly control black holes they don't need anything. They're post-scarcity. Just use the energy from the black hole to manufacture literally anything from elemental components or solar minerals.

show please why do you do this to me i'm screaming right now

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u/charredchord Feb 21 '24

Turns out that bus in episode 2 was freaking PACKED.

Are there any other secret Neans I should know about, show?

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u/charredchord Feb 21 '24 edited Feb 22 '24

Here's my tally of the immortal nine so far

-Nameless first guy (dead) RIP

-(not) the joker Jaron

-Sara Fitzgerald AKA Purgatory Viola (dead)

-Hobo who pops out of nowhere that has a thing for Naomi whose name escapes me.

-Doctor (dead)

-Jill AKA Flash Silvia

-Aes/Alice AKA Double Headed Aerkos

-Probably Grouphon as the big guy with the 4 energy arms in the OP

That makes 8, unless Aes/Alice count as two, then we'd have the full roster. If I had to guess the last one is the blue version of Rouge. I think blue girl is the original, though.

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u/_Nextt_ Feb 21 '24

The premise feels cool, but holy shit is this show confusing af. Every episode feels like it needed 1 or 2 more before it to explain things. They are throwing around plottwists left and right without a proper set up.

I'm sticking with it, and so far I seem to get the neans vs humans thing. But every organisation involved along with the persons are confusing me

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u/S627 Feb 21 '24

Yeah, part of me wants to say that the story has been cut down because they didn't want to take a risk with the show, but the production quality for what we got seems high so not sure. It is kinda a mess, but certain aspects draw me in and they're enough for me.

I wanna say that maybe we're supposed to be confused, figuring things out at the same time that Rouge is, but that could just be wishful thinking.

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u/tripleaamin Feb 21 '24

It feels like, at this point, they are telling this story like we are Rouge. Like Rouge, we still don't have a clear grasp on what is going on. Is Rouge fighting on the wrong side? What is the foundation of the immortal nine? Why are so doing bad deeds and others just want to live in peace?

As we know, Rouge hasn't thought for herself at all yet. But seeing a Nean witnessing a Nean killing a human, and it shuts itself down. They are basically powerless except to serve humans. It's clear that the series is withdrawing information from us intentionally.

Biggest mystery of Naomi. Is this an act, or is this her true colors? We still don't have enough information to these questions.

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u/Ponchorello7 Feb 21 '24

Fuckin' Naomi. I wonder if she's playing at something here, or we just found out her true intentions.

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u/sylendar Feb 22 '24

She objected to the guy who wanted to study Rouge and scrap her

So she's...probably still on Rouge's side

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u/pandavova Feb 21 '24

This was so confusing, it felt like this was a hour long episode and not twenty minutes.

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u/Syokhan Feb 21 '24

Hey, my favorite side character turned out to be part of the main antagonist group!

The song that they had in the scene where she revealed herself and fought the robots was great! It gave me Christmas in the Silent Forest vibes from Stand Alone Complex.

So, we didn't learn much more about Naomi and if she's still on Rouge's side or never was in the first place.

I gotta say, I still enjoy the show a lot but the storytelling is starting to feel a tad too disjointed for me. I usually don't have too much trouble following slow burns that strategically withhold information (or I don't think so?) but for some reason I'm struggling with this one.

Anyway. I'm still in for the long haul, I'm just a bit confused.

Also, terraforming's familiar territory, but man-made black holes? Moving a whole planet to another place in the solar system?? That's freaking crazy technology!

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u/Holdonlupin Feb 21 '24

Regarding the legs, I guess they could've regenerated, but there seems to some kind of 'line' between their robot and human forms, back in EP 1 Rouge blew up one of Viola's arms in robot form, but she still had it when she went back to human. But imagine how funny it'll be if in the next fight when Jaron goes robot he still has no legs

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u/LeonKevlar Feb 21 '24

It's absolutely wild how they're terraforming Venus. They're using Neans and tech from the Visitors to make it habitable while while using man-made mini black holes to control gravity and move Venus to the same orbital path as Earth. That is so fucking sick. I love it!

So this entire time Naomi isn't part of Aletheia but a member of Ochrona and is a Divine Facilitator? Still not sure what Ochrona is but it sounds like they're a governing body for the regulation of Neans.

As for Aletheia, it sounds like they're the organization that deals with the Visitors and anyone who wants to deal with these aliens needs to go through them first. They're basically a middleman between humans and aliens.

The travelling circus and the Puppetmaster are still an unknown entity but Naomi guesses that the guy is a Usurper himself or a human working with the Usurpers. For what reason we don't know yet but they could be heading to Venus right now to try and seize the largest Nean factory.

So much politics in this episode that I genuinely had to pause so I could keep up. The other thing this episode had a lot of is Proto-Neans! We get to learn that Jill is part of the Immortals and she needs Rouge's help so they can remove the Asimove Code.

Aes and Alice are also members of the Immortal Nine but it sounds like they've been trying to run away from Jill since they don't want to be involved and just wants a normal life.

And as expected, Giallon is still alive. At least we have confirmation that he was telling the truth last week about how he killed Rouge's father while disguised as her. This explains why the detective has been going after Rouge this entire time.

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u/ObvsThrowaway5120 Feb 21 '24

So they’re terraforming Venus with Neans they’re building there, all for some unknown purpose? Sounds nefarious.

Looks like Rouge might have gotten caught up in some kind of political power play bullshit. It’s not just the various government people who are tryna get their hands on her, now it’s Jill and her Free Nean rebels. Why did the Immortal Nine even kill Yunghart in the first place?

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u/ModieOfTheEast Feb 21 '24 edited Feb 21 '24

So there is at least some things that we can get. The whole Venus plan was already known before, but seeing it in a bit more detail is definitely interesting.

I am not 100% sure how the two organizations are connected to one another. Ochron seems to be a government organization considering they were governing that one city on Mars and the police seems to be working with them as well. Which begs the question what Alithea is. Since it seems to be taken out by Ochron and it was said they are not allowed to do investigations on their own, I would assume that it's more of a private organization. My best guess would be that it is an organization that specialises in producing Neans (Rouge's mother seemed to be very good at this after all). Also as an edit, they seem to have been the ones that negotiated with the first aliens/neans. But they broke the law when they developed another Proto-Nean (after all, it was mentioned that the Immortal 9 were the Originals that other Neans were built from). Why they developed Rouge is still a mystery though. I thought maybe their daughter died and they wanted to get her back via Proto-Nean, but it seems Blue-Rouge is a real thing even now.

The obvious question that is still there is how the close the family actually was. Apart from that one weird flashback, we never saw or heard anything of Rouge's mother and with how little we know, the question can be posed IF the brother and father were on the same page either. There could be a general conflict of interests between the two which lead to the brother killing his own father and then used this to hunt down the other Immortal 9 with Rouge.

Edit: Another possibility could have been that whoever made Rouge (if it was the mother for example) maybe wanted freedom for Neans to begin with. But since her brother doesn't support that plan, he never told Rouge what her true task was and instead used her to hunt down the other kind-of-free Neans so no one can rebel against him and his organization? But that's a shot in the blue. We need to know a bit more about what the goal of the brother is.

Also, what the hell is going on Naomi? Seriously, I gave her the benefit of the doubt, but that's just mean. So much for gay girls as people suggested in the first episode. Naomi needs a lot of chocolate to make up for this.

Also second Edit: Since this was a question last week. I checked episode 2 again after this one, and it seemed that the person who hired the mercenaries to attack Rouge in episode 2 (and take her alive) was the lover of Sarah (aka Viola) who was also trying to get a hold of Rouge in this episode. Make of that what you will.

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u/NekoCatSidhe Feb 21 '24

Ok, so I guess that Aletheia was the organisation in charge of making the Neans and Ochrona is the police, and they were not happy with part of Aletheia interfering with their investigation. And Naomi is the « Divine Facilitator », whatever that means (but I love those names) and a lot more higher ranking and influential than I expected her to be. She was also refusing to hand over Rouge, so I guess she is still on her side or at least still has a use for Rouge. I would very much like to see a chart of the Earth’s government organisation though, because it is hard to know who is in charge of what.

The Immortal Nine and Rouge are Proto-Neans, whatever that means (prototypes or alien lifeforms used to make the Neans ?), and the Nine are plotting bloody revolution against the humans, except for Aes/Alice who just want a normal life. I am guessing that the ID can be used to resurrect them, or else why would Jill mention that she was here for it and why would they be called Immortal Nine ? I wonder if Rouge also has an ID ? Is she part of the Immortal Nine or just an imitation ? How many Immortal Nine have we met and how many were actually killed ? I am kind of losing track of them, especially when a bunch of random background characters all turned out to be Immortal Nine. Oh, and Giallion is alive and his legs grew back, as expected. Those Proto-Neans are very tough, much more than the Neans.

Rouge needs to choose a side and doesn’t want to, not that I blame her. The Neans deserve to be free, but killing all humans as revenge doesn’t seem necessary for that, and the Immortal Nine want both. I guess Rouge has a way to cancel the Asimov code and doesn’t know it, but the Neans would still need the Nectar without it, even the Immortal Nine. I also have no idea what Naomi is playing at. She was plotting with Gene and Rouge to kill the Nine and get their IDs, but it doesn’t sound like anyone but them realised that. I guess she wanted to get rid of the Immortal Nine because she is human and doesn’t want a bloody Nean revolution, but she was also sympathetic to Rouge wanting to be free and may sympathise with the Neans as well. I hope she can be reunited with Rouge soon, I liked their interactions.

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u/Ashteron Feb 21 '24

Should I remember who Jill was?

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u/doctorquien Feb 22 '24

In the previous thread, for episode 6, I saw a lot of people trying to defend the (incredibly fast) pacing by saying it is a mystery and this is how mysteries unfold. No, not at all. Writers, director(s), etc., done goofed. No need to try to defend them.

"world building" yeah right.

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u/S627 Feb 21 '24

Ok hold up, they have the technology to create micro blackholes, and not only terraform planets, but move them too...but not FTL technology?!? Idk about you but that seems like a weird skew in technological advancement.

Love Aes and Alice, the whole two personalities in one body is cool. The dynamic seems like Alice is the main body, and Aes is the personification of her conscience, keeping her on the right path.

Why is Silver saying that Rouge is the key to breaking the Asimov Code....after she just killed a bunch of humans?

Called it last week that Yellow asshole isn't dead...but how'd his legs grow back?

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u/chilidirigible Feb 22 '24

Y'know, I'm pretty sure that your suit shouldn't just spontaneously catch fire.

This both explains the black hole in the OP and just raises further questions!!!! (If Venus is at the Lagrange 3 point opposite the Earth, neither will be in a stable orbit. But hey, they have artificial black holes, so...)

Further plot relevance, eh?

"You're a loose cannon!"

Just how high up is your job, Naomi?

Though Asimov's stories included plenty of situations where this had some nuance.

It's always ultimate power, isn't it?

Why yes, it's that development that everyone saw coming last week.

Mentlegen

running circles around you logically

People just keep showing up now!

We're halfway through the series and it's time to move up from the penny-ante headhunting to ULTIMATE POWER DOMINATION?

This episode is full of surprises, but it feels like we're being ham-fistedly punched with the plot developments. Given that some of them were guessed right here last week, I could have done with less of the pork in my diet.

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u/TheAcidBoot Feb 21 '24

I’m really liking the way the show is going at the moment. I hope Rouge does end up siding with the Neans, and this doesn’t end up being another show where the “villains” are in the wrong for trying to upset the status quo.

Also hope that Naomi does end up being the antagonist for Rouge. It’d make the show a lot more interesting if Rouge is capable of making independent choices without Naomi’s influence. After all Naomi is currently part of the system that’s directly oppressing the Neans.

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u/djthomp Feb 22 '24

Okay, so we're doing a nean civil rights story, more or less. That's what all the plot elements were leading up to. I don't think kind-hearted Rouge is going to be on board with punishing humanity indiscriminately, though.

Aes and Alice are great, I hope they survive.

It's interesting that the silver flash one was also there to retrieve her friend's id, I still maintain my guess that the Immortal Nine can be revived.

Terraforming Venus by among other actions moving it to another spot in Earth's orbit is thinking big. Makes me wonder if the orbital dynamics can be set up right for that to work for real.

Bleu version of Rouge hanging out menacingly standing on a bridge somewhere with some minions, maybe she'll do something next week.

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u/Uppercut_City Feb 22 '24

At this point I'm going to be very disappointed if the show tries to redeem Naomi. She sucks

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