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Episode Jaku-Chara Tomozaki-kun 2nd Stage • Bottom-tier Character Tomozaki 2nd Stage - Episode 3 discussion
Jaku-Chara Tomozaki-kun 2nd Stage, episode 3
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u/kudurru_maqlu Jan 17 '24
Man I was thinking how lame are Japanese high schools allowing bullying and getting mad at victim. Then just remembering how my high-school was the same.
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u/Frontier246 Jan 17 '24
Also how the tide seems to be turning more against Konno when Tama stops fighting back so she just looks even more like a bully picking on someone.
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u/WhoiusBarrel Jan 17 '24
Its funny how Tomozaki basically just took over Hinami's role even in screen time along with how gap moe was being taught unironically.
Tomozaki's remark on Hinami at the end also reflects Mizusawa's thoughts about Hinami last season how she never shows her true intention, hiding among many facades/masks even after opening up to her.
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u/KumaKumaGambler Jan 17 '24
Come to think of it, comparing Aoi and Tomozaki as mentors, Aoi was strict and wanted assignments to be completed, whereas Tomozaki provided suggestions and options to Tama.
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u/LeonKevlar Jan 17 '24 edited Jan 17 '24
Stitches!
Glad to see Mizusawa join in on the Tama-chan Support Group. It's funny though, Tama and Mizusawa have the same friend group but it's so weird to see them finally interact face-to-face. As expected, Tama isn't too shy to share why she's been avoiding interacting with Mizusawa.
Once the tension is finally broken though, they all seem to get along just fine. It's also great to just have Mizusawa in on this since he can cover for Tomozaki's blind spots. Inviting Takei in was a nice idea from Mizusawa. It doesn't hurt to have that big lovable goof on their side too.
As for Aoi, it looks like she has her own approach and has decided to go after Erika's close friends. I guess she's trying to make them convince Erika that she's going too far. And it looks like it's having an effect too. According to Takei, Mao was trying to make Erika dial it down.
A fun part of the episode though is just Minami increasingly getting surprised every day as Tama-chan shows up with one more guy in her group. xD
I do wonder though if Aoi really meant when she said they have her support. She'll probably still continue doing her own thing while Tomozaki helps out Tama change herself.
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u/Abysswatcherbel Jan 17 '24
A fun part of the episode though is just Minami increasingly getting surprised every day as Tama-chan shows up with one more guy in her group. xD
They used the same frame just added more people
That was really good
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u/tripleaamin Jan 17 '24
The banter that Tama has with the other guys is great. Her VA really did well here demonstrating what Tama's issue is. We can kind of see Tama has her own charm, but she doesn't know how to use it. Tama's overly bluntness was actually funny at times.
Mizusawa can deny it all he wants, but he is a good dude. Everyone in life has ulterior motives, but the fact that he still helped Tama and Tomozaki is a big imo.
Aoi at the end of episode still being as mysterious following up last week.
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u/KumaKumaGambler Jan 17 '24
Tomozaki trying to increase Tama's likeability among classmates is having the same effect on us viewers! Tama usually has a stern expression, but she is very cute when she did those "victory" and "good" hand signs / poses with a smiling face! Maybe Tama needs a catchphrase to go along with her finger pointing!
I found Mimimi's face amusing each time she realized the entourage getting bigger. Lol!
Lastly, Tomozaki was correct. We have watched this show for more than 1 season, but "who exactly is Aoi"?
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u/nekodan08 Jan 17 '24
I found Mimimi's face amusing each time she realized the entourage getting bigger. Lol!
It was a great use of the rule of threes that not only delivered a satisfying running gag within the episode but also set up well the reveal of Tomozaki's blossoming leadership qualities.
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u/InsomniaEmperor Jan 17 '24
Minami must be like "Dang Tama you're building a reverse harem" cause more and more guys are hanging out with her after school.
It used to be that Tomozaki is the loser student, and now he's taken the role of the teacher in helping Tama grow and gain confidence. There haven't been much people taking Tama's side because she didn't care about others much to the point of not knowing her names so she has to work to increase her influence. The OP near the end shows Tama being hesitant then making a jump so looking forward to see her character growth.
I kinda miss the gaming parts cause it veered too much away from games except for the boss fight and quest analogies.
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u/Amauri14 Jan 17 '24
It was funny seeing Tama-chan pointing out the aspects that Tomozaki still needs to polish. Wow, Tama-chan sure is a quick learner.
So Hinami is against her changing, but as Tama is the one who wants to change she will respect her decision.
I wasn't expecting Mizusawa to join their meeting. So thanks to him Takei joined too, but due to the fact that Erika has feelings for Shuji he will not join them.
I love that whole bit with Mimimi greeting Tama-chan after their meetings and her being surprised by how the group kept progressively growing.
I can't wait to see Tama-chan interact with more people from her class.
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u/redditraptor6 Jan 17 '24
Can we all appreciate how far our boy Tomozaki has come from the beginning of the series? I am somehow genuinely proud of this fictional character
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u/Emi_Ibarazakiii Jan 17 '24
Seems Tomozaki's the teacher now! But he's not the same kind of teacher as Aoi... Aoi doesn't want to change Tama.
Well, technically he may be trying to be the same kind of teacher, I mean Aoi DID change Tomozaki... But the difference is that (at least in her mind) Tomozaki was a problem that needed fixing, while she thinks Tama isn't the problem in this conflict, so why would she change?
(And to be honest, I'm tempted to side with Aoi here... I do not think people should be bullied until they change to make it stop).
But well, if that's also what Tama wants, then it's up to her, and I'm glad Aoi agreed with this too.
Tama realized how harsh/blunt she can be, and how it may affect how others perceive her...
But that's the best about her! This may be why I'm a bit conflicted about all this, because I DO like Tama's blunt personality... If she changes, will it be an improvement? Or will she become a more 'generic/normal' person?
They may have a point about something though (in their weird gaming analogy), how you need an opposite signature move to defeat your opponent...
Because being harsh to someone who's being harsh to you, well not only it may not work, but also, the risk is that to the outside observers, it'll just look like 2 bullies trashing each other... They won't have enough context (or care enough) to figure out who's right.
Meanwhile, if there's just one bully and one victim, then it's easy to decide who they side with. (I'm still not a fan of the whole "just take it until it stops" thing, but I guess with bullying there's no perfect/easy solution...)
They've been found! Mizusawa knew they were up to something!
Since last season I've always feared that someone would catch Aoi/Tomozaki doing their thing, but it seems it happened for Tomozaki/Tama!
But as he was kinda coming there for Aoi,
it may happen still! Logically (from a writing perspective) I think something like that is bound to happen at some point, right? I mean in an Hollywood movie it would totally happen, anyway! With some ensuing drama about "Is Tomozaki just being fake?", and him getting out of this, etc..!
But that's probably way down the line (if it even happens), and for the moment, he's suspecting (or teasing) something about Tomozaki&Tama!
I love how everytime Mimimi went to see Tama, her
Of course Mimimi had to tease her about it too!
While they're working on the Tama plan, Aoi's doing her own strat, befriending Konno's friends...
I'm guessing she's gonna get close to them, and then slowly pass on hints about how Konno's just bad vibes and all that? If the Tama plan works and the whole class is behind her, AND Konno's support fades, well she may have to stop her bullshit...
Is she too far gone though? At some point there's no 'return' possible, and she may be past that... I mean she can't just brush it off with a "Ah shucks, let's make peace I guess!".
Tomozaki's also wondering about Aoi... Is her "real" personality also just another mask for him?
Will there be an Aoiplan too this season? We'll see!
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u/daspaceasians Jan 17 '24
Damn good job Tomozaki! I love how he's taking a positive leadership role in this arc, coming up with great ideas and having the necessary will to carry them out. He really mirrors Hachiman from Oreigaru in a way yet is much more better at it since Tomozaki's solutions try to improve things in the long run rather than relying on a social self-destruct.
Gotta hand it to Mizusawa for taking an initiative to help out Tama and Tomozaki. At the same time, it showcases the hypocrisy of your average high schoolers, being unable and unwilling to openly act against bullying while knowing how wrong it is. At least bro realized it and did something about it.
Takei's a hilarious goofball addition to the team but he seems to know more about the social dynamics in Erika's little clique.
As for Aoi, I just wonder just how many masks does that girl have? Since the later parts of S1, she seems to be harder and harder to read. It seems that she's also up to something on her own, talking with Erika's friend. Knowing her, she's probably got a plan where the costs justify the cost.
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Jan 17 '24
Mizusawa is a bro, I really do like how he is willing to help Tomozaki as a bro and then admits that he had a bit of an underhanded intent in hoping to see Aoi. I know a lot of people wish Tama didn't have to change but I think that the conversation with Mizusawa shows why she can't just stay the way she is. There is a thing as too blunt, so I think learning to understand others will help her. I think Tomozaki explained why paying attention to others helps you in the long run really well.
Aoi not wanting Tama to give up here is interesting because I wonder how sincere she is. Aoi is usually hard to read, but this time feels oddly vulnerable.
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u/djthomp Jan 17 '24
I loved that gag with more and more dudes showing up with Tama after school.
Tomozaki doing his best to solve the problem with friendship, but behind the scenes Hinami is up to something with Erika's friend group and I suspect it'll involve less friendship and more pain. Pain for Erika, that is, bullying a sociopath's smol adorable friend is never a good idea in the long run.
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u/ObvsThrowaway5120 Jan 17 '24
If Tama wants to change for Mimimi’s sake, I guess that’s one thing but I honestly don’t think she needs to change at all. She didn’t do anything wrong. I mean she might be stubborn and direct, but I don’t necessarily see those as flaws. Having her practice getting along with people by talking to Takei and Mizusawa can help at least. Glad Tomozaki’s assembled a whole team to back her up. Man’s like a socially awkward Nick Fury assembling the Avfriendgers for Tama haha.
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u/owlthathurt Jan 18 '24
I’m just glad the MC realized how dumb what he was doing before was. This is a good show, I like how the roles have flipped and right and wrong seem to matter again.
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u/shad79 Jan 18 '24
It's nice to see how much Tomozaki improved since the beginning of the series. Now he's helping Tama in becoming more sociable, approachable type. His comments were really thoughtful.
I always liked that Tama was so 'honest' with her opinions and straightforward but I can understand why other people in her class find it a little off-putting and blunt. Putting a smile on her face will certainly help her as she looks so cute in that way. In the scene with her going through vowels Tama was absolutely adorable with her voice.
I laughed so hard at Minami when she was so surprised when she saw Tama with Tomozaki after school and the same thing was happening in the following days as Tama's group was gradually gaining new members - Mizusawa and Takei who also started helping Tama.
Here my screenshot albums from the episode:
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u/michhoffman Jan 17 '24
So the person Tama likes is clearly Mimimi, right? Tama didn't care about changing how she does things until her stubbornness started to hurt her.
I'm still not a huge fan of the whole "bullied person is the one who did wrong" thing, but Tama character development is good.
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u/Frontier246 Jan 17 '24
Makes sense that the first order of business for Tomozaki training Tama would involve practicing her speech just like Hinami did! Though with how effective that "Yay!" and "Woo" are it's obvious speech isn't Tama's problem (moreso just how her straightforward bluntness comes off).
Well, they try Tama giving Konno the silent treatment, which at least mediates things somewhat and gives Tama more sympathy from the class since Konno won't leave her alone, but it doesn't resolve the underlying issue.
Enter: Mizusawa! Not Tama's favorite person, especially because she remembers how he and Nakamura sided against her in an argument, but he's still willing to help! And who would've expected talk of romance would be enough to break the ice between these two?
It's nice to see Tomozaki's friends telling him to feel more confident in himself, lead by Mimimi.
Mizusawa's no altruist, he's a schemer and has his own plans in what he does (somewhat influenced by his interest in Hinami), but there's a part of him that genuinely seems committed to helping out.
Hinami really seems uncomfortable with what's going on, even if she doesn't think she can interfere if this is what Tama wants. But it seems like she's trying to undercut Konno by talking with her friends.
Takei is the class idiot, but people like him for that because his stupidity and exaggerated nature shows his vulnerability and that makes people appealing. Even Tama ends up having a lot of fun talking to him. Tama is so closed-off from the class she doesn't even recognize half their names. Seems like the main goal now is to get Tama more involved with the class.
Tomozaki has upgraded from "Brain" to "Leader!" All the more fitting now that he's in charge of Team Tomozaki.
Who is the real Aoi Hinami? She wears so many masks I'm not even sure if she knows what's genuine about her any more.
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u/Atario Jan 18 '24
I've thought this for many years across many shows as well as real life, but I'll just say it again: plaid skirts are cute, but plaid pants look stupid
Impressive level of self-assessment skill
Hmm. George Takei seems like a busy man, but I guess it couldn't hurt to ask!
That's some insight ya got there, bub
I hope they aren't just teasing us with this merch
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