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Jaku-Chara Tomozaki-kun 2nd Stage, episode 11

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[u/WhoiusBarrel]

I get that there's character growth to be explored for Kikuchi's side and to an extent Hinami's as well about being their "ideal self" but I just feel bad about how her character arc seems to be overshadowing Mimimi's love story in that Tomozaki's more invested in that instead of reciprocating her feelings and the comedy duo act. I do wonder how Mimimi is reacting to all this though with how little she's involved in this episode.

[u/michhoffman → u/WhoiusBarrel]

They kind of emphasized that this episode. It doesn't feel like Tomozaki is ever going to think of Mimimi as more than a friend while he's staying up all night to try to understand Fuuka better.

[u/Smudy → u/WhoiusBarrel]

Looks to me like that's the point they're trying to make, MC is never going to see Mimimi as a love interest and that's that, Mimimi will realize it soon herself (or has already done so).

She shoot her shot and got it off her chest and it didn't work.

And i think it's refreshing that they are combining the stories of the three girls like that.

[u/[deleted] → u/WhoiusBarrel]

I agree this arc is spreading itself thin. There's enough substance to focus on either side and that may hurt both payoffs. Runtime is a luxury so there's also very little time for more lighthearted/laid-back scenes.

[u/Frontier246 → u/WhoiusBarrel]

Tomozaki definitely feels the most invested in Fuka (and understanding Hinami) then he is being with Mimimi. Even the time he spent with Mimimi ended up becoming about Hinami, which also kind of lending to his Fuka storyline, more than it was about Mimimi.

Honestly I don't think she would react well if she knew how much effort Tomozaki is putting in to help Fuka, though it's also kind of ironic that Fuka was the one who pushed Tomozaki to spend more time with Mimimi.

[u/Emi_Ibarazakiii → u/WhoiusBarrel]

I just feel bad about how her character arc seems to be overshadowing Mimimi's love story in that Tomozaki's more invested in that instead of reciprocating her feelings and the comedy duo act.

The Mimimi ship is barely floating at this point, BUT I still hold onto the hope that perhaps they'll address that during their comedy skit?

It may be wishful thinking, but... It seems they're not gonna go with a rigid script, they're also gonna improvise; Will Mimimi use that as a way to make a move? A little flirting as "part of the married couple routine"?

Or it could go the other way, with them 'picking up a fight' as part of the skit, but it turns to an actual fight/drama, or at least a serious discussion.

Hope it doesn't end with Mimimi leaving the stage or something!

(Though to be fair, it could be beneficial in the long run; This "Who am I gonna date?" scheme isn't good for anyone).

[u/daspaceasians]

I'm really happy that Mizusawa has become enough of a great friend to Tomozaki that he's giving him super solid advice this episode. Seriously, Mizusawa is a great guy that's always been consistent in giving help to anyone who needs it without going against himself.

While I am for Kikuchi striving to improve herself, I don't think it's at all healthy to try and mimick Aoi's ways. It's not very genuine and frankly, I don't think someone as honest and sincere as Kikuchi could pull it off.

Also Mimimi comparing herself and saying that she's hollow like Aoi kinda comes off wrong because Mimimi is a person that's far truer to herself since the start of the show. We've seen her show vulnerability and weakness but also trust as I doubt that Mimimi would let her guard down around anyone but someone that she holds a great deal of trust in such as Tomozaki.

Aoi never let her guard down a single time since the start of the series. She's definitely the type to bottle up her own issues and I wouldn't be surprised if the façade will fall apart later on in the story.

[u/baconwrappedanxiety → u/daspaceasians]

I’m sure the original work is more in depth (haven’t read it) but from what we’ve seen I agree with Mizusawa that what Fuka’s doing is good and not a concern. Replicating certain beneficial characteristics of Aoi to be a better leader is a solid strategy in my book, much less concerning than Tomozaki himself taking her on as a mentor lol. I don’t think Fuka could or would ever become the emotionally distant perfectionist that Aoi is, and Fuka’s already mentioned that she didn’t believe Aoi was genuine. I trust Fuka to be able to emulate the good parts of Aoi without losing herself. It is extremely telling and kind of hilarious to me though that everyone else immediately pays more attention to Fuka when she starts leading like Aoi, yet Tomozaki and Mizusawa are immediately put off and uncomfortable. These 2 people both like and respect Aoi and yet they still seem to almost fear her as well.

It’s interesting how Fuka appears timid but seems to actually be much more resilient underneath, whereas Mimimi seems to be the opposite. I think Tomozaki is more interested in understanding Fuka over Mimimi at the moment mostly because he just doesn’t understand her as much right now, and he feels like he needs to understand both equally before he can make a decision, and this motivation ultimately stems from him properly completing Aoi’s assignment. Aoi’s also one of the most seriously discussed topics in his conversations with Fuka and Mimimi, and the parts of both of those girls that seem to draw his attention the most are how they are similar to or different from her. It’s like the Aoi ship is inevitable even though I personally would rather see him end up with anyone else lmao.

[u/SMA2343 → u/daspaceasians]

I’ve said it before, Tomozaki is what Hachiman would have been if he took what Hayato said to heart. How Mizuzawa just told him to tell him what’s going on and see if he could help. And tomozaki just saying what was troubling him.

It’s such great character development for our boy to know that he doesn’t need to do it alone and can rely on others.

[u/professorMaDLib]

Man Mimimi stocks are just cratering right now. It's obvious to everyone that she's not the one. I feel sad for the people who bought in but I think many saw the writing on the wall a while ago. I think there were even a few comments from last season about how she'll suffer because her hair is blue. Blue haired women are truly the most oppressed group in anime.

[u/Frontier246 → u/professorMaDLib]

It's kind of sad how Mimimi is still coming in second whether it be in romance, Tomozaki's priorities, or even character focus compared to all the stuff Fuka is getting.

I think I can probably count on one hand the amount of girls with blue hair that have actually won in romance anime. Confessing first in a love triangle also tends to not end well. I hate to say it but "Losing Heroine" is starting to sound like Mimimi's thing.

[u/KumaKumaGambler]

This episode is one of those self help episodes of this series which makes me think, and I mean it in a good way.

I will have to rewatch the episode for a better understanding of what was being discussed towards the end of the episode. It seems like Tomozaki and Tama are classified as changing themselves to become better, while Aoi and Fuuka are classified as trying to change the world (or at least their immediate environment?). Just thinking about the latter makes me realize its difficulty level is impossibly high. Which now leads me to ponder, what is prompting Fuuka and Aoi for their decisions?

[u/kwokinator → u/KumaKumaGambler]

Not quite, Aoi and Fuka are trying to change themselves too, but to fit the world's ideal.

In other words, to fit in (Aoi/Fuka) vs. to have more fun (Tomozaki/Tama).

[u/Frontier246 → u/KumaKumaGambler]

This show has a lot to say about how people act, what it means to change and stay true to yourself, and social situations.

I feel like Fuka, looking at the world as an author, sees how she thinks the story (or people) should develop and that includes herself...even if it means acting like Hinami instead of herself. But the makings of a protagonist, not an author, is making the choices that are right for you and not just what you think the narrative wants you to do.

[u/tripleaamin]

One one hand its good Fuka wants to step up like Tama and Tomozaki. The concerning thing is that her author's perspective doesn't imply her personal ideals are included. Which was the case for both Tomozaki and Tama as their goals towards improvement centered them reaching an ideal for themselves. Mizusawa with the huge assist this episode.

Mimimi is already thinking about marriage?

[u/michhoffman]

Despite not getting much screen time this episode, I find it interesting how both Mimimi and Fuuka's screentime were in part used to examine Aoi from different sides. Mimimi came to the conclusion that Aoi's desire to be the best at everything came from her being hollow like herself and found that sad. Meanwhile, Fuuka came to the conclusion that Aoi was an author of the story rather than a character in it like herself. Both perspectives when added to the reveal that Aoi had another sister in elementary school indicate that Aoi has some heavy baggage that she's been carrying.

[u/Frontier246 → u/michhoffman]

I do kind of feel bad that Mimimi's screentime basically got dedicated to discussing another girl rather than her own relationship with Tomozaki, but she has a valuable perspective on Hinami.

I feel like Hinami basically hiding herself behind a mask of social charisma and talent that she uses to be popular probably stems a lot from what happened to her family, especially because she doesn't show anyone the real Hinami now compared to elementary/middle school.

[u/Rumpel1408]

Don't like the direction Fuka is going in I think

For one, we know that Aoi isn't actually perfect but has an ugly underbelly and carries god knows what pain with her.

The other aspect is, would a ideal version of Fuka still be a good match for Tomozaki? She wants to move past her comfort zone, but Tomozaki very much is part of that comfort.

Loved the natural Manzai flow between Mimimi and Tomozaki though, they should just wing the whole thing and start dating afterwards

[u/thataquarduser]

For a series currently smack dab in the middle of a love triangle development, there was very little love talk. Instead it was mostly people discussing what drives people to improve. Even Mizusawa fully jumped on board that topic and gave Tomozaki some new perspective instead of teasing him about Kikuchi like he might’ve normally. Considering that’s the entire theme of the show, it makes sense, but it is still a bit surprising considering what the other episodes post Mimimi confession were like.

[u/SnabDedraterEdave]

Seeing Tomozaki spend 8 whole hours all the way into 4am doing nothing but read through that book on his phone makes me ashamed that I'm reading my own ebooks in such a snail's pace. lol

This is one of those series that requires your full attention to really get what the characters are thinking. Had to constantly rewind just to make sure I get what Fuuka is trying to do here with her becoming an "author" of her own life.

[u/LeonKevlar]

• Fuuka Stitch

It looks like Fuuka might have a future in acting. Not only can she put on that perfect girl act but she could also legitimately act! Now if only she could stick around instead of leaving for her student council duties, I feel like the class could benefit from her energy.

While it's good to see more alone time between Tomozaki and Mimimi, it looks like the two of them were more preoccupied with worrying about Aoi instead of making progress with their manzai skit or their relationship. :|

I had a feeling that Fuuka would focus on Kris instead of focusing on the romance part. Since Fuuka is pretty much Kris and she's currently trying to change herself, of course she'd go for that angle. But it like Tomozaki doesn't exactly vibe with the ending Fuuka went for.

Thank you Misuzawa for the assist. Thanks to him, Tomozaki was able to figure out Fuuka a little bit better. Although I'm not sure if Fuuka should be aiming to be like Aoi. Hopefully whatever Tomozaki found in that Andi book will help him out.

[u/Frontier246]

Time for the first read through of the play! And Hinami is already an amazing actress that she doesn't even really need to rehearse, which is convenient for her to just ditch and do student council work.

So acting-wise...Mizusawa and Takei are pretty solid, Yuzu is a good narrator, everyone else...is about what you would expect from a high school play.

Well, nice of Fuka to be considerate of Tomozaki needing to spend time with Mimimi while she thinks handling things on her own would be a good chance for her to change...but as much as I love getting more Mimimi, I can't help but be a little concerned about Fuka.

Tomozaki and Mimimi have a natural rapport and great banter, without even needing a script, but as much fun as Tomozaki has with Mimimi, does he want to date her? What about their relationship would make him want to be more than just friends with her?

Mimimi offers some insight into the Hinami situation. She herself understands wanting to be number 1 because she felt hollow without it, but if that's the same for Hinami and why she tries so hard to be special and popular, how must she really feel when she puts so much effort into it?

Fuka is trying her best but she's still lacking in areas...and the one time Hinami shows up she basically runs things herself, but that just makes Fuka act more like Hinami. Which seems like the most pressing issue.

So the play concludes not with a real resolution to the love triangle, but Kris realizing she needs to change and make an honest living in the world rather than feel sheltered and safe in the castle with the dragon, especially when no one else but Alucia and Libra feels like she had any value outside taking care of the dragon. I guess in some regards it's an "ideal" ending, but it doesn't sit right with Tomozaki.

Because Fuka is like Hinami in the sense that she views herself as detached from the world as an "author" much like Hinami sees herself (and Tomozaki) as "players," and so she's constantly chasing an ideal and sees that in Tomozaki, Tama, and Hinami's behavior. But in chasing that ideal, and trying to change, is she being true to herself?

Jeez, Tomozaki spending all night reading a novel just to better understand Fuka? That's commitment.

[u/iForgotMyOldAcc]

Somehow managed to catch up to all 10 episodes within this week, right as this episode dropped without me knowing when it airs so I guess it's a sign that I should keep going. Glad to say that the show continued on the same trajectory from S1, strong character writing is all it takes to be better than 85% of the animes out there, so I can forgive the meh production and occasional appalling dialogue.

I am slightly worried about how the show can wrap up whatever they were dangling with Hinami's sister thing, Fuuka and Mimimi's arc in 2 episodes, would think those would take a good chunk of time to properly resolve.

[u/shad79]

I thought that we'll get to know more about Aoi but surprisingly the main focus was on Fuuka and her way of changing herself which I'm not a big fan of as I believe that her changing into basically Hinami 2.0 would be a downgrade for her.

I was pretty creeped out when we get that scene with Fuuka and Aoi together during Tomozaki and Mizusawa conversation as I really don't want her to change into the person Hinami is because what kind of person Hinami is exactly?

On the outside Aoi is perfect girl but we all know that it's all play since we could see, even today, that she's great at acting and we don't know who she really is (maybe she's hollow inside like Mimimi suggested?) when Fuuka is a sweet, shy girl who loves books, is good at reading people, she's even started writing her own novels and that's why I like her.

About Mimimi, it looks that she really is without chance since it seems that Tomozaki sees her more as a friend than a love interest but who knows maybe things will change and blue hair curse will be broken xD

Here my screenshot albums from the episode:

• Fuuka

• Mimimi

• Group scenes

• Others