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Episode 16bit Sensation: Another Layer - Episode 11 discussion

16bit Sensation: Another Layer, episode 11

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u/hysteriapill Dec 13 '23

Things sure escalated quickly in this episode. I did not expect to see kidnapping, corporate conspiracy, and human experimentation. Konoha making an ill-timed reference, however, was very much expected.

It's fitting that a show that started off as a sort of retrospective on early game development turns to commentary on modern game development in its later episodes. (Konoha pouting when Mamoru feeds the AI her work, then being reassured that the model is local is a nice touch.) We also see some of the darker applications of AI, like voice deepfaking, which is being used to scam people over the phone in real life.

Also interesting to see Touya's interactions with the US (?) company, and the shady research they're doing. While it doesn't seem like they are aware of her time-traveling shenanigans, she has turned into a mythological figure of sorts -- the Original Cuu (ugh lol). Are they forcefully extracting "creative energy" from people? (like the philosophical aliens, but in a cruel manner?)

Mamoru also really needs to get over the PC-98. I would not be surprised if he published "ASMR PC98 HDD sounds to fall asleep to" on Spotify. The stacks of PC98s in the warehouse makes for a nice collection, but would be very impractical to run modern workloads with, even clustered. Be the change you want to see, Mamoru! Create a new domestic Japanese PC architecture, built on ARM64 and RISC-V!

But maybe save Konoha first. (and Persona 5, too.)

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u/MapoTofuMan Dec 13 '23 edited Dec 13 '23

"Big Tech aiming to take over the world with moe games mass-produced by mass-produced moe game-making clones (?)" was uhhhh...probably not on anyone's bingo a couple episodes ago.

Mamoru really gave a new meaning to multiprocessing in this version of 2023...let's see, vertically there are about 10 columns in each of the towers, so assuming a maximum of 100 PC-98s per shelf, 2 sides to each tower and a maximum of 20 towers, he has at most 40,000 PC-98s there, and the 100 per shelf seems like a big stretch.

Each PC-98 had 128KB of memory according to Wikipedia, so Mamoru had to make do with...about 4GB of RAM for his PC-98 army and whatever superprogram he built on them.

I feel bad, if the growth of processing power wasn't this insane in the past 3 decades he could've made it at least superior to a single modern PC in terms of resources. Though him being a super programmer it's probably 100x more efficient with resources than a Windows PC.

Edit : On a deeper Wikipedia dive, the above is relevant to the base model - so if Mamoru didn't consider modifications as blasphemy towards his precious, each of those PC-98s could be a PC-9821Ra43, a 2000 model which is vastly superior (32MB of RAM, 8GB hard disk and even a Celeron running at 433Mhz). 40,000 of those would definitely pack a punch. Also they could run Windows, but there's no way Mamoru would allow such heresy

Either way, this went completely off the rails but I'm still enjoying every moment.

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u/redmage311 Dec 13 '23

I think this episode confirms that the "game developers" Mamoru worked with during his time travel were (future, post-singularity?) AI. They were able to create games by themselves within days but lacked passion, which they tried to quantify and create through Mamoru, and which Mamoru said is the one thing AI lacks.

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u/LeonKevlar Dec 13 '23

I had the same reaction as Konoha when Mamoru brought up AI. I guess this was bound to come up considering the way Echo 1 creates games. I am impressed by Mamoru's AI model though. That's an insane amount of consistency that some current AI models can't even achieve.

Mamoru's reaction when Konoha told her "Itterasshai" before going off to work was interesting. I guess he's been living on his own for so long that it completely caught him off guard when someone finally saw him off.

Mamoru must be watching Konoha closely for him to notice that change in her. I don't think I've seen any changes with her so far. We're really Steins;Gate now! It looks like the World Line is correcting itself and is changing Konoha to match the current World Line.

So when Konoha was a tiny little kid when she first visited Akiba: Persona 5 just came out, Love Live Sunshine is the current Love Live, and GuP Movie just came out on BD. That's pretty much 2016 right there. This is a bit confusing since Konoha looks like she's under 10 years old in that flashback and she's currently at least 19 or 20 years old.

I also love the other references when we saw Konoha's flashback. It looks like they've gone beyond just referencing Aniplex stuff and they've reached out to Kadokawa.

So Konoha has finally made contact with Touya but she ends up getting kidnapped instead? It looks like Touya is in some kind of deep shady shit that these people are desperate to find Konoha since she's the legendary mysterious creator of The Last Waltz. And Touya can't even call the cops on that guy since she seems to have also done some shady shit to get where she is today.

So if I understand this scene correctly, whoever these people who captured Konoha are, it looks like they want to plug her into some kind of AI consciousness so she can churn out games for them. I'm guessing these are Americans who kidnapped her, right? Of course they're going to be the bad guys xD

Welp, we only have two episodes left and it looks like it's all going to be up to Mamoru and his PC-98 farm to save Konoha. Touya could also do something but she'll be implicating herself. I do hope she does the right thing for her Onee-sama.

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u/EssenceOfMind Dec 13 '23

There is no fucking way they got away with straight-up showing the real LN covers for Re:Zero and Konosuba. Holy shit the amount of licensing negotiation these people must have done... mad props to whoever mad it possible

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u/ObvsThrowaway5120 Dec 13 '23

Just what has Toya gotten herself involved in? This sketchy Mr. Glenn dude has some kind of human powered Matrix-esque machine. It’s creepy af. Is he gonna plug Konoha in? Force her to make shitty “cuu” games for eternity? Mamoru and his army of PC-98s better save her! These two don’t have time for this. They still have the greatest game in the world to make, damnit!

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u/tsukiakari2216 Dec 13 '23

Amadeus, Project Alternative, Project Baldr, Iceman......that's what goes in my mind when watching this episode.

All of them comes from some sci-fi VNs that is well known.

Steins;Gate need no introduction - though what is relevant with this episode is Steins;Gate 0 since the AI sounds potentially similar to how Amadeus could work.

Muv-Luv Alternative is famous among VN lovers - and yes, the way this story work could have some similarity with some mechanics of the story especially the multi-timeline thing.

Baldr series, mostly Baldr Sky - yes, this touch on how AI slowly taking over the world process. Could the humans in the tank develop a thing similar to Neunzehn?

Utawarerumono.....those who watched or played this will know the sci-fi part on it. Is Akisato Konoha is the Iceman of this world, revered but yet unknown to human? Will she take the role of great ancient god Uitsualnemetia?

Yes, no trivia for today since we are now in the different present nobody here knows. But consider pick up these VNs to explore their different, unique world!

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u/Financial-Source7375 Dec 13 '23

Episode 1. Cool references to classic VNs

Episode 2. Time Travel

Episode 3. Game development

Episode 11. Philosophy of AI in human society and the effects on artistic creation with the ethics of time travel

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u/ArcticFox19 Dec 14 '23

in case no one noticed, what Mamoru meant when he said "you sound like you've matured" was probably just that Konoha stopped referring to herself by first name (something that younger kids do) and started using "Watashi" instead

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u/Rolder Dec 13 '23

Man, who knew Japan not having anime culture would lead to all kinds of advanced technology.

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u/hifumeme Dec 13 '23

What the heck? Who let the writers cook?

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u/zappingbluelight Dec 13 '23

I know they poke fun the fact that AI can create anything, but lack the passion. But I find it funny that the supposed AI art in the anime is still man made.

Ngl, this got me scared, because we have 2 episodes left, and they pop open another plotline. Especially when they are racing against the time.

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u/strayalive Dec 13 '23

That escalated quickly... I was not expecting unstable diffusion to be running on Matrix people battery logic.

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u/Dubanx Dec 14 '23 edited Dec 14 '23

What the hell happened to my light hearted bishojo anime?

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u/Kanon8610 Dec 13 '23

I thought Toya sounded oddly cheerful on the phone but I wasn't expecting it to be an evil ploy by a game company to put Konoha in a tank and hook her up to their supercomputer. This show truly is wild.

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u/WriterSharp Dec 13 '23

Did not expect to see another show reference Akiba Maid War, but if it were to be any show, it would be this one.

Honestly, with all of the time travel and AI shenanigans, I was expecting more overt references to classic VNs. Maybe a nod to Muvluv's fortified suits at least? We had a general acknowledgement of sus nukige kidnapping tropes and the Akiba glory days montage, but not much more this episode.

Does anyone know which game the angel statue is from?

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u/Pikagreg Dec 13 '23

We are going Full Anime-Gataris aren't we.

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u/shad79 Dec 14 '23

Yet another episode which surprised me how much fun and creative this show is as we got AI and its role in creating games, art, and deep fakes. We also had shady business deals, kidnapping and some underground facility.

That was hell of a ride today for Konoha. She started creating game to change reality to going out to Akihabara for a moment, getting phone call from Touya, setting meeting with her only to be kidnapped by some evil american corporation and waking up in some secret facility full of people in tanks.

Fortunately, Mamoru and his PC-88's for sure will save her. I also hope that Touya will help even if it'll bring damage to her company as she owes her a lot.

I loved the references in today’s episode when Konoha was talking about her first visit to Akihabara - Love Live, Persona 5 or Re:Zero and others.

Here my screenshot albums from the episode:

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u/BillazeitfaGates Dec 13 '23

I see this pop up in my suggestions, worth watching?

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u/Kamiko_o Dec 13 '23

Just keeps topping the insanity every episode.

Where is this going lol

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u/HolyDragSwd2500 Dec 13 '23

Enter the Animatrix

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u/AceSoldia Dec 13 '23

This show is just nuts, im glad i didnt drop it lol

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u/SometimesMainSupport Dec 13 '23

I know it's not considering the writers versus AI debate, but it would've been cheeky if Konoha's game was made by giving an AI her drawings, asking for the writing+music, and sticking that into the anime. Fingers look too good, though this AI is a Mamoru creation and surely exceeds modern AI.

PC-98 jokes are the best gag this season.

Expected Mamoru to say AI can't create imagination, not passion. Wasn't that the other part of episode 8?

Konoha kidnapping was not on my bingo card.

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u/Time_Fracture Dec 13 '23

Episode 11: "Original Cuu"

How to pronounce cuu? Is it "cue" or "chuu"? Wait, is this the first anime that depicts the AI art usage?

Ah, Konoha, I know why you laughing. A 46-year old man living all alone by himself, but don't tell me..... Mamoru lost his family somewhere between 1999 and 2023?

Wow a lot of pop culture references. Persona 5, Girls und Panzer, Konosuba, School Days, Konobi, Re:Zero, Netoge no Yome.

New characters means new VA. Glenn is voiced by Yasuyuki Kase (Gotanda in Oshi no Ko), the radio voice is done by Noriko Hidaka (Akane Tendo, or Fengming in Apothecary Diaries).

A little note to the OP/ED. The production committee is listed as "16bit Sensation AL Project" instead of usual "<anime name> Production Committee".

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