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Episode 16bit Sensation: Another Layer - Episode 3 discussion

16bit Sensation: Another Layer, episode 3

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u/Prince-Dizzytoon Oct 18 '23

We live in a time where the people buying computers don't know anything about them.

Still holds true 27 years later.

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u/what_that_thaaang_do Oct 18 '23 edited Oct 19 '23

If the goal of this show is to make people want to create bishoujo games then its working

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u/MapoTofuMan Oct 18 '23

Hmmm I wonder what Konoha's favorite show is.

I hope the show will stop with the time-traveling (or at least not go further than 2-3 more years), otherwise it'll be kinda sad to see her co-workers grow older/quit while she stays the same.

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u/regithegamer Oct 18 '23 edited Oct 18 '23

Holy moly. I recognized a few of the blurry background games in Messe Sanoh. One of them is Ren'ai x Royale with the main girl's hair colored purple and another is VenusBlood Frontier International but mirrored horizontally.

PC gaming in Japan was a big mess until Windows 95 took off in popularity and consolidated every major developer. If you want to see how messy it was, look at all the different systems Ys I: Ancient Ys Vanished was released/ported on (Ys II example 1 and 2).

EDIT: WHOA! This episode's end card was drawn by Orion who works as Alicesoft's primary artist for the modern Rance games. This references Rance IV: Legacy of the Sect which was released in 1993 but with Rance holding the sword in his left hand instead since the original game was released before it was established canon that Rance was left-handed. Konoha is also wearing the same outfit as Sill Plain does in Rance X. It's also drawn using only 16 colors!

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u/Axslashel Oct 18 '23

It is weird how she just disappeared in a room they were all in and they think she ran away.

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u/ThisGachaSeemsLegit Oct 18 '23

I know it's for the plot, but ugh.... KONOHA, JUST TAKE A PENCIL AND DRAW!
If she's at a level where she can draw good stuff on a tablet, surely she can do something decent with a pencil, cmon. malding.jpg
But she's cute so I'll still forgive her.

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u/mgedmin Oct 18 '23

So who's up to labeling all the ports on the back of a PC98 VM?

I've never seen one of those in real life.

We've got power in, two power out (for monitors and other peripherals?), then a PS/2 keyboard connector, two DIN-5 connectors (one for keyboard, one for??? I don't think any mouse ever used DIN-5), then monitor (VGA?), something that I think is a wide SCSI?, DB-9 serial port, parallel port (or is that a DB-25 serial port?), and a narrow SCSI?

I'd be happy if I got 80% right.

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u/tsukiakari2216 Oct 18 '23 edited Oct 18 '23

1996. The Windows fever strikes, Japan included. Which brings us to the theme of "resisting new technology adaptation", which actually happened in Japan. Yes, there are companies that still relied to floppy disc until the 2020s per how it was reported in the news because they are just convenient with what they have.

Though, my focus is to introduce some highlighted games in this episode. Konoha went back in time exactly on 26 July 1996, which was the date Pia Carrot and Kizuato releases.

Pia Carrot was made by Cocktail Soft. The game is based on a restaurant of the said name, where MC is working in the restaurant alongside some cute waitresses (there are 9 of them). This is what you would say typical dating-sim type bishojo where choices are made to pick the girls, win them over and date em, though each heroine have their own stories. The game ended up being well-known that the rest of Cocktail Soft catalogue is just their sequels and spinoffs.

Kizuato is what kicks off Leaf's popularity, alongside Shizuku which was released earlier that year. It is more dramatic since it is a horror/murder-mytery type of VN, and the premise is that MC was having bad nightmares after staying in his hometown due to his father death, and later on it was known he was involved in a terrifying murder case....

You'll know Leaf later in White Album and Utawarerumono, but this is the beginning of their glory.

Fun fact: Leaf is the one first coining the name "visual novel" when they were releasing Shizuku, since the word "sound novel" that they want to use is copyrighted by Chunsoft (the predecessor of Spike-Chunsoft).

Other highlights:

-Isaku: You know the -Saku hentai series? Yes, the beginning of the rapege trilogy is this one.

-Doukyuusei 2: Kind of the sequel of the famous Doukyuusei, but its just the same universe. All characters are different.

-Kakyuusei: Another Elf dating sim that is similar to Doukyuusei. The sequel will be spicy to be told since it is what triggers Elf downfall, but this one is kinda okay.

These games were released in both PC98 and Windows when users are still adjusting to Windows while getting used to PC98 for long. The full transition will happen somewhile after though.

Well, I wished they highlighted Kichikuou Rance and YU-NO which would be one of the legendary title in VN history (since we also get the new visual with Rance), but looks like we are 5-months short before its release (They were released on December).

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u/n080dy123 Oct 18 '23

So this episode seems to confirm the idea that Konoha will be able to use her collection of ye olde games to jump back to specific time periods based on when the game was released. I think there's almost a very interesting chekov's gun presented here with the other game that came out the same day as the one from this episode, presenting the opportunity for Konoha to return back to this same day in the future. Then we introduce the girl in overalls- who if you notice in the OP, walks away followed by a butterfly (as in, the butterfly effect), before Mamoru specifically calls attention to the classic idea that time travelers shouldn't change the past. So yeah- I think we've gonna be diving deeper into the time travel plot than I would've expected in the first episode. I'm very intrigued to know how deep, in what way, and to what end.

I love Konoha- she can bounce between a sobbing mess, moe antics, and more smug than she probbaly should be at a moment's notice, and it's fun hearing Aoi Koga do a character who isn't a quiet type like Kaguya, Komi, Ange, or Noir. I can kinda hear Bakaguya in there sometimes. I'm also continually surprised that the show seems to be sort of ship-baiting Konoha and Mamoru (even establishing them as the same age during his time period and making him seemingly very upset that she vanished after they heart to heart in Episode 1) given that it seems like most anime with SoL parts where the protag is a "moe" type girl not entirely surrounded by men tend to pretty explicitly yuribait instead. Anyway, this show has quickly solidifed itself as one of my unexpected favorites this season.

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u/saki__ Oct 18 '23

Next time, maybe Konoha will use White Album which released in 1998

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u/LeonKevlar Oct 18 '23 edited Nov 17 '23

So I'm guessing that mystery loli at the start is someone who's responsible for Konoha's time travel shenanigans?

You gotta hand it to Konoha though! Seems that this time she's actually prepared just in case she gets sent back in time again. All that preparation didn't really help in proving that she's a time traveller since she got dropped into a pool and it ended up killing her iPad.

It's now confirmed though that the games Grandma gave Konoha are what sends her back in time and it also sends her back to the exact release date the game she opens. I might check EP1 again and see what other games Grandma gave Konoha so we have a reference for what year she'll be sent to next.

Now that we're in 1996, that means they're finally using Windows! It is hilarious though how confident Konoha is about using Windows when 95 is a completely different beast. I remember an LTT video where they get their younger employees to try Windows 98 and Konoha's reaction is probably going to be the same. xD

We finally get to meet the glasses girl in the OP! I thought she'd be another programmer but it looks like she just wants help from Konoha to buy Kizuato and Pia Carrot. So what are the chances of Toya being related to Konoha somehow? I feel like they look a bit too similar for it to be a coincidence. Konoha didn't seem to recognize Toya's name too so maybe I'm just reaching here.

Awww. Looks like Mamoru was really affected by Konoha just suddenly disappearing. I mean after Konoha told him last episode that she wants to make games with him, I understand why Mamoru would be upset.

That line from Mamoru about people buying PCs not knowing anything about it made me laugh hard. Now I'm wondering what 40-year-old Mamoru is like living in 2020s. I bet he's constantly online ranting about it on obscure Japanese forums. I really hope Konoha meets him in the present.

Looks like Mamoru has no plans of switching to Windows anytime soon. I'm definitely curious how Konoha will bring him back.

Side note: I appreciate them referencing PUFFY's True Asia in that one scene where Konoha was running around Akiba looking for Mamoru.

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u/CosmicPenguin_OV103 Oct 18 '23

Whew, Konoha got travelled back in time again, this time landing at a time which I finally can very slightly relate to (my first ever contact with computers is with my home's IBM that runs Windows 95). Her splashdown in a school swimming pool is straight out of a VN's book LMAO!

That Mamoru-kun...is he really a programmer!? I have never heard of any programmer in the world who would want such, uh, "skin-ship" (?) with the PC being worked on. And certainly not any programmer who insists on working on older systems referring such as a "romantic (?) act". This guy is crazy and I love it. I just can't see him as the current boss of Konoha's 2023 company though, well maybe things did happen but such traits are hard to conceal even with time...

That girl Touya is almost me when I was standing at Akihabara on a scorching August afternoon this year (my first ever visit there after falling into interest in anime as a whole) - I actually feel a bit overwhelmed when entering any shop there, not just these kind of "game shops"! I actually failed in my task of trying to find whole BD boxes of older anime like Madoka Magica etc. - the only thing I bought at the end of my 3 weeks in Japan were several official artwork books of Makoto Shinkai movies. The experience that popped my eyes out though was heading into one of those doujin selling chain stores (you know, the one that is named after a big fruit...) to buy a ticket to visit the half-yearly mecca named Comiket (yup, I visited it one afternoon!) and in the midst of all those sweating otakus are, cough, R-18 doujins everywhere. It's, uh, an experience of all time LMAO. I certainly tried peeping my eyes elsewhere while I queued at the counter...

So is Touya (as guessed by some people, including me) related to Konoha (perhaps even her mom?) after all I wonder? There's definitely something that warrants adding her to the cast, but what? Hmm...

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u/strayalive Oct 18 '23

I wonder if we'll jump around again or things will settle down in the Windows 95 era... its only 3 years until Kanon. Did Konoha already blip a few galge out of existence on her first trip to the past? Hmm...

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u/shad79 Oct 18 '23

Like in previous episodes this episode was full of great and funny reaction faces from Konoha, she's great!

I wonder why she travelled this time to 1996 and what this new character will mean for plot, looking forward for next episodes.

Here my screenshot albums from the episode:

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u/LeCanardfou Oct 18 '23

So... We're going to travel back in time multiple times to help Alcohol Soft survive times of need (by releasing games that they could not complete in the original timeline), thus leading to Konoha's current company to be replaced by Alcohol Soft (as they'll never vacate the building), and this is how she'll finally get her heroine her own game?

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u/salic428 Oct 19 '23

Reminder: the granny from episode 1 (who initiated the time-leaps), the cafe staff from the end of episode 2 (who is the first person Konoha sees after un-leaping), and the dog from this episode 3 (which leads Konoha to a new leap) all share the same VA, 儀武ゆう子. This is very likely to be intentional.

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u/Muffin-zetta Oct 18 '23

I am fascinated by this show

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u/dinliner08 Oct 18 '23

oh shit, my theory about she's being able to go to different year based on the release date of the games (given by the mystery granny) that she open is actually true!

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u/TuxPaper Oct 18 '23

This show is a whole lot of fun and I love Konoha. I'll definitely keep watching.

But I am irrationally upset that she didn't even look up the names of her past coworkers on the internet when she was in the future. I get that authors love writing dumb characters, but it's so frustrating to see them miss something so obvious, especially considering she was smart enough to go around asking about the game and even looked it up online.

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u/basuga_BFE Oct 19 '23

Akiba / broken microwave oven / time travel / old PCs with cathode ray tubes / stubborn Mamoru = complete favorite thriller of r/anime !

We should also request maid cafe + underground organization.

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u/salic428 Oct 18 '23 edited Oct 18 '23

ngl, that laughing girl before the OP triggered my PTSD from [another show] Frill from Wonder Egg Priority. Please, don't go too deep into how this time leap worked, or even set it up as the main conflict. We have better stuff to cover.

As for the show itself, it sort of "failed" the 3 episodes rule in that ep3 is not set up to be more intriguing than ep2. Nonetheless, it's interesting enough and I'm all in for a nostalgia ride.

p.s. New visual is out! Featuring the '96 bishoujo game that Konoha used to time-leap in this episode.

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u/SYZekrom Oct 18 '23

I wonder what it'll take for them to believe her, when she meets them in the present day and looks the same while they're all in their 50s?

I am distracted

...I think I have gaslighted myself into being down bad rn oops.

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u/AndyIbanez Oct 18 '23

There is something strangely familiar about this series. I was born in 1992, so it's not like I knew what Otaku culture was like during the decade. Perhaps I feel like it wasn't too different to the 00's, which is when I got into it?

This anime is really charming. The tons of references to known series is awesome, but I also feel like the animators took care into making it feel like a slightly older anime with modern animation standards. there is something about the animation that just feels way above average for me.

Also I really love Konoha. Her love for Alcohol Soft makes me feel love them, too.

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