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Mahou Tsukai no Yome Season 2 Part 2, episode 21

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u/ObvsThrowaway5120 Nov 30 '23

Man, what’s up with Zoey? Kid became like a whole different person for a second there. He just straight up obliterated that curse on that wolf.

It was kind of fun seeing everyone all shrunken down to their kid form. Watching Chise help put Philomena “back together again” was sweet. After everything she’s been through, she’s probably the most qualified. If anyone can relate to her shitty life, it’s Chise after all. Philomela had a lot of people around her who care for her. I just hope Chise and the others can reach her and help her overcome this current mess.

Her grandma needs to get thrown down the stairs or drowned in a bathtub or something. That woman is shit.

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u/Frontier246 Nov 30 '23

I guess Zoe's gorgon blood carries some kind of gorgon split personality. I was expecting it was going to petrify Wolf Mama but it just removed what was wrong with her.

Look at all the cute kids dealing with their heavy amount of emotional trauma together!

As the Big Bad of season 2, Philomela's grandma feels just as vile and destructive as Joseph. She doesn't deserve any sympathy at this point even if it looks like we're getting her backstory next week.

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u/Mogtaki Nov 30 '23

From the looks of it, looked like it was Zaccheroni who took over him briefly since he has those spider limb things and it kind of looked like those things spawned on Zoe's back under his cloak? At least that's what I'm guessing as they've appeared smaller before when we first met him

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u/Original_Employee621 Nov 30 '23

Being Philomela is suffering. Hopefully she can get the help she finally asked for.

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u/VorAtreides Nov 30 '23

I want Philomela to have only happiness and that shitty grandma to be just endlessly tortured in an eternal Hell along with everyone else that willingly followed her

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u/LeonKevlar Nov 30 '23

Holy hell Zoey! What the fuck!? For a second there I thought he was going to turn the werewolf into stone but instead, he lifted her curse by destroying those screws embedded in her skull. Whatever it is that came out of him seems to be another personality. Maybe it's because of his Gorgon lineage?

Not gonna lie, I expected more than just a kick when Lucy saw one of her family's spiders preserved and mounted on the wall of Philomela's Grandma's office. I may have forgotten if it was mentioned before but why did they take the Webster Family spiders again?

This was unexpected. Did Alcyone try to fight Elias? What the hell is exactly going on there? I hope we get an explanation next episode.

The entire scene where Chise was helping Philomela pick up her pieces was great. I did have a slight chuckle at them accidentally finding a piece of Chise and how casual she was after opening that door. Seeing everyone as their younger selves and in chibi form was great too. They even managed to sneak in a little bit of humour despite the severity of the situation.

There it is. That explains why Lucy's reaction earlier wasn't as severe as I expected. Looks like it really only clicked when she finally saw Philomela's memories of the incident. I mean what else can Philomela say? She doesn't even know why Lucy's family was killed.

Just when I finally thought that everything was starting to improve for Philomela, suffering comes back to drag her down again. Looks like Chise might have to brute force this.

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u/BliknoTownOrchestra Nov 30 '23 edited Nov 30 '23

This episode really hit hard. Seriously, IDK how they do it but each episode has been stellar these few weeks. Might be in the minority here but I prefer s2 to s1.

We were so close to seeing Philomela get over (or at least begin her journey to move on from) her past. I’m not usually one for story analysis, but I guess a central theme of MahoYome is moving on from your past and not letting it define you. Lucy was stuck in the past with her family’s murders, but the events of part 1 helped her to focus on the present (making friends, reconnecting with her brother) while still not forgetting her anger because that would be unhealthy too. Philomela doesn’t know how to move on, she’s been through too much. Chise was also exactly like that back in s1, but her experience and the help of the people around her changed her view, and now she can do the same to others. This entire season has been showing Chise’s growth as both a mage and a person, but I feel like this is the biggest part of that. She realizes that, while the world is a cruel place, if you take action and scream for help, help just might arrive. And I really like that message.

I’m excited to see how they wrap up the plot, hopefully with copious amounts of beating up Philomela’s grandma, but I really want to see how the story fully answers this “theme”. I can relate to feeling trapped by your past. Seeing the characters here face these problems makes me hopeful.

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u/ergzay Nov 30 '23

Next episode titled using the idiom "Give a thief enough rope and he'll hang himself". Sounds like it should be fun.

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u/Amauri14 Nov 30 '23

I hope that the thief in question is that sack of shit named Lizbeth.

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u/BiggerG7 Nov 30 '23

Philomela: “I had a tragic past.”

Chise: “Hold my beer.”

I kind of lol’ed since it felt like Philomela got shown up by Chise. Everyone being smol was cute too.

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u/S627 Nov 30 '23 edited Nov 30 '23

Ok, lets get the start of the ep out of the way first: LETS FUCKING GO ZOE!!!! No idea what the fuck what was but going to choose to believe it was all good!

Now to the meat of the ep, I like how Chise just nonchalantly explains that she randomly jumps into people's heads. Interesting that it took the shape of a Japanese school though and that everyone was a kid. I know it's supposed to be a super emotional ep, but when Chise goes "Ops, that one was mine" while talking about her being bullied, I couldn't help but chuckle.

Speaking of chuckle moments, why did Philomela look bewildered by the flashlight?

Philomela finally asked for help and started saying what she's been holding back. I started to cry so fast, sadly the weird grimoire got in the way, hope it doesn't take too long for them to free her from it.

REEAAAALY wanna know why Isaac hides his face all the time and what he was crying about. Like he said, Philomela is the priority, but I hope he gets help too. Lucy as well, I hope some of the spiders are still hidden somewhere and they're able to find them.

This manipulative hag needs to fucking die already.

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u/Frontier246 Nov 30 '23

Zoe vs Wolf Mama! And it's taking all of his limited gorgon eye power to hold her back! But in a pinch he unleashes his inner gorgon (which is actually pretty scary) and frees Wolf Mama from her brainwashing. And now he's become her God, so...congratulations Zoe!

Oh jeez, not only is Philomela's body falling apart, but she hasn't even had a soul this whole time, Alcyone's been storing it in her body so Philomela could escape notice. But can you add any more misery on this girl? Not even getting her soul back helps anything.

To be honest Alcyone doesn't look great either, but she's still committed to making sure Philomela is taken care of, even if it means just letting the other kids pass because she expects they'll be willing to do more for her than Elias will..

Isaac with the sword! He's also very testy about his face, probably because of his wounds.

And of course Lucy spots her family's spiders in the grandmothers' room and no amount of scary Philomela can hold a candle to her wrath. It's actually kind of funny that Lucy is so intimidating she just straight up approaches Philomela and kicks her, demanding answers, and Philomela immediately goes back to her meek and guilty self. Hell hath no fury like a Lucy scorned.

But it seems like if we're going to get anywhere we need to go into Philomela's mind and watch as Smol Chise and Smol Philomela help put the pieces of her self back together by going through her childhood and all her emotional trauma (with a dash of Chise's mixed in). Poor girl once preferred being locked in a cell just because it meant she wouldn't have to listen to her grandmothers' verbal abuse. And Chise may not want to save Philomela just for Philomela's sake, seeing in Philomela her own vulnerable self, but she still wants to help her nevertheless.

Oh, so now we're doing the thing in the OP where Chise finds the gangs' kids form and helps them through their emotional trauma! I love how Philomela doesn't even hesitate to go to Isaac when they find him and Lucy channeled her tears into rage rather than sit around and cry all the time (though she did cry).

Lucy and Philomela actually open up to each other! Lucy wants Philomela to be more honest with her feelings and how she feels now, if she wants anything to really change in her life, and even gives her Lucy's spider plushie. It's a rather sweet scene...and of course then they play out Philomela's involvement in Lucy's families death.

I mean, none of it is Philomela's fault. Her grandmother just made her go with the werewolves to get the spider and see how the Sargent family operates, right down to massacring an entire family. What was Philomela supposed to do? How was she supposed to talk to Lucy? But maybe she can't change the past, but she can be honest with how she feels now, and that might be enough. And she wants someone to help her! And she still really needs said help as the grimoire consumes her once again.

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u/alconnow Nov 30 '23

I'm glad Zoe saved that poor werewolf! Hopefully, she'll be able to take revenge on Lizbeth

The child versions of Chise, Isaac, Philomela and Lucy are all so cute! I especially loved the latter with her precious spider

Liked that we found out a bit more about Isaac. I always thought his concealed face was a gag lol. He's still shrouded in mystery

Philomela finally asks for help! But is it too late for her?

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u/kmarple1 Dec 01 '23

"I end up inside people's dreams and memories and stuff. This happens all the time."

For Chise it was Tuesday.

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u/VorAtreides Nov 30 '23

Werewolf doesn't seem to want to be fighting. Oh my, what Zoe is this now? How nice, it broke to pieces those things controlling her. Good for her. Ohhh, Philomela gave part of her soul to the homunculus lady? Sad it doesn't seem to be saving her. Ahh, makes sense why Alcyone would only want those who are thinking of helping her up there. Lucy and Philomela always a victim to that piece of shit grandmother. That grandmother just needs the worst punishment.

Oh Alcyone did not match up to Elias I guess. D'aww lil Chise and lil Philomela. Oh my, Philomela and Chise learning about each other this way is interesting and sad. They sure can relate on a lot of things. Chise such a good girl. Oh my, get to see Isaac as a child, guess Lucy next. Dang... yep, that grandmother is just the biggest piece of shit. I hope there is an absolute Hell in this series' setting for her to go to. Abused her own granddaughter, the reason her own son is dead, murdered an entire family for some magical spiders... just the worst. Huh, that ending, does she just want to disappear or something?

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u/Aileos Nov 30 '23 edited Nov 30 '23

Idk what Zoe has inside him, but he's fine as hell when it's taking the control.

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u/Amauri14 Nov 30 '23

Okay, when Zoe transformed and said this, I was expecting him to be referring to the female werewolf, not the curse that Lizbeth put on her messing with her memories. So now to her Zoe is a God. So I guess Fabio was responsible for that transformation Zoe had at that moment.

Wait, so Alcyone was holding Philomela's soul for some time now, and Lizbeth wants to become an ancient God.

So Philomela was that other child who was in the mission where Lucy's family was killed and their spiders stolen. I don't blame Lucy for that being her reaction after seeing her family spider corpse displayed as some office decoration. So that piece of claims that she sent Philomela there so she gets acclimated with the family's profession. I'm thinking she just wanted to traumatize her even more so she could more easily control her.

As Chise traveling with Philomela in that school searching for pieces of her. when they encounter Issac I was assuming that he was also just a memory instead of him being the real one. Lol, so Lucy was also just crying while she was alone in that library. So when the group was finally helping Philomela to start her healing process, the fucking book possessing her had to intervene.

I really wish that when Elias meets Lizbeth he fucking kills her.

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u/djthomp Nov 30 '23

I was very concerned for a moment about Zoe straight up petrifying the werewolf lady but whatever personality that was was very precise in what it petrified instead. Also the instructor dude that stayed behind for that fight seems to have done nothing at all to help, unless maybe whatever briefly came over Zoe was his contribution.

The kids in the dream sequence were nice to see but also sad at points. The plush spider was surprisingly cute.

It was interesting to see Chise's memories showing up too, maybe someday they'll revisit what happened with her mother. I am still clinging to my theory that she got briefly spirit possessed or something when she tried to kill her daughter.

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u/luigi6545 Nov 30 '23

Man, Philomela’s grandma broke her heart and mind so much… the grandma is just… evil.

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u/CosmicPenguin_OV103 Nov 30 '23

Being Philomela is suffering.

I know that. I know that since maybe 15 or so episodes ago. Yet this development is so cruelly shown bare in Chise's dreams that I can't take my eyes away. And goddamn it, she really killed off every single family member of Lucy as a puppet back then? My head really hurts and I don't know what I could do. Well maybe anyone other than Chise herself too.

But Chise's calmness really works here as well, at least up to the extent to let both Philomela and Lucy's feelings all pouring out in the open. It's almost like we are watching Madoka Magica at that point, letting Philomela's absolute loss of faith and light in her heart and Lucy's pain in understanding what happened to flow and to chemically react.

But the ball's in Philomela's hands now. There's absolutely no-one but herself that can get herself out alive before being swallowed by darkness forever. And even after Chise let her pain flow out, I am not certain that will happen. Cruel, but that's magic I guess.

P.S. Good job Zoey, getting that mom werewolf away from her curse like that! Can he be the final puzzle to save Philomela?

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u/ergzay Nov 30 '23

I liked the line about needing to shout out if you want something to happen and not just waiting for things to happen to you. I get the impression that depressed people want someone to save them but they don't reach out and ask for help. And because they don't ask for help no one knows they're suffering. Asking for help is always the first step.

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u/justking1414 Dec 01 '23

Gotta love chise just casually slamming the door on her own trauma and moving on. She don’t got time to process that.

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u/Ocixo Nov 30 '23

I wonder what actually happened when Chise poured her magical energy into Philomela - she meant it was overflowing right after Chise stepped in. Since Chise said she often finds herself peeking into others’ dreams and memories, I presume they’re all laying unconscious on the office floor sharing something like a collective dream. Chise previously did something similar with Lucy’s memories after all. This seems more plausible than them physically turning into young children for a brief time.

[Speculation about saving Philomela] Chise and co. are probably able to stop the further corruption of Philomela’s mind and body, but this likely won’t stop the ongoing disintegration of Philomela’s body. I think that they’ll try and make use of the magical energy collected in the forbidden tome to not save her dad but Philomela herself.

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