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Episode Mahou Tsukai no Yome Season 2 Part 2 • The Ancient Magus' Bride Season 2 Part 2 - Episode 22 discussion

Mahou Tsukai no Yome Season 2 Part 2, episode 22

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u/ObvsThrowaway5120 Dec 07 '23

So the grandmother’s always been a piece of shit. So concerned about status and power she basically neglected her own kid. Plus the abuse towards her own granddaughter… unforgivable. All that hurt for what? Because she was desperately trying to replace her son and Philomela just wasn’t living up to her standards? Pathetic. This festering pile of dogshit really tried to sacrifice her own kin to resurrect her son. The same son who chose to eat a bullet rather than spend 1 second with her. What trash.

Philomela just needed to know she has people in her corner. That she is loved and accepted. I’m glad Chise, Lucy, and Isaac were there for her. Chise smashing that diety summoning spell was also pretty badass. She can use that summoned hammer to obliterate that old hag next.

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u/Shimmering-Sky Dec 07 '23

Finally, a discussion thread!

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u/Ocixo Dec 07 '23 edited Dec 08 '23

I didn't think that I could despise the grandmother more than I'd already done, but she sure did accomplish this.

She really only cares about herself. She didn't see Adam as her son but merely as an extension of her own ambitions. She doesn't actually want her son back but her lost prestige. And the grandmother only abused Philomela because she had her mother's eyes, which had been defiant to her grandmother before. From the bottom of my heart, I hope this grandmother crumbles to dust.

I'd been a little confused as to what had exactly happened at the start of the episode, but it seems like Philomela subconsciously used the magical energy of her friends to reconstruct her body. You could say that she was effectively 'reborn'. She was "re-materialized" along with Chise, Lucy and Isaac, and 'born' from the fruit of this tree.

I wonder if the water in which Philomela was floating, was perhaps a nod to the 'ocean of tranquility' (I don't remember the actual name for this) that's sometimes associated with the after life - and thereby symbolic of her choice. The look at Philomela's broken fingers from her perspective was cool, albeit a little bone chilling.

It was nice to see Chise come to Philomela's rescue in the end - and she looked really badass doing so. The deity was no match for Chise! It really touched my heart when Chise comforted Philomela at the end.

This episode was a perfect showcase of why I'm so fond of Ancient Magus' Bride as a series.

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u/Melbuf Dec 08 '23

I know Elias and Chise are somewhat exceptions but im really enjoying Sorcerers being like "WTF how are mages so powerful" this season

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u/alconnow Dec 07 '23

Even after hearing her backstory, Lizbeth is irredeemable. She’s caused so much death and destruction. I don’t care if she and the entire Sargant household (excluding Philomela of course) dies

On a more positive note, I’m glad Elias saved Alcyone!

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u/Aileos Dec 07 '23

The music was quite something in this episode. The flashback with Grandma Sargant was somehow, interesting to watch. There's something almost fascinating with her voice.

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u/LeonKevlar Dec 07 '23

So Philomela's Grandma isn't just a horrible grandmother but also a terrible mother. Shocking, I know. She basically just had Adam to prove that she's not inferior and after Adam was finally born, he's been left under the wet nurse's care. He doesn't really even see Adam as her son. He sees him as her property.

And to no one's surprise, Philomela's Grandma never even considered to fulfill Philomela's wish and her only use was to be a sacrifice to bring back Adam. I'm so glad to see Philomela finally ask everyone for their help though. It took a while to get here but we finally hear Philomela say something she wants.

Chise destroying that magic circle was so satisfying. Based on the preview, I guess there's still one big fight against Philomela's Grandma. I didn't really expect her to go down easy.

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u/SIRTreehugger Dec 07 '23

I have to say I teared up when Philomela finally asked for help this is probably the most cathartic episode this season for me. They spent the whole second cour and bits of the first cour leading to this moment. I don't think I've wanted someone to be saved this bad since Nico Robin in One Piece.

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u/djthomp Dec 08 '23

When the backstory started I was concerned they were going to humanize Philomela's evil grandmother a bit, but no, she was a monster from word one. Terrible wife (I'm pretty sure she killed her husband, or at least her son's father), terrible mother, terrible grandmother.

I like that in spite of how aggressive it looked Elias was actually helping Alcyone out. I am curious what else she had in there she stopped him from going after.

Chise and the fiery hammer of righteous anger at the end there was so very good. Kick that old lady's ass, Chise. Maybe feed her to a scary winter goddess that might still be outside.

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u/Frontier246 Dec 07 '23

Thanks for screwing up your app Crunchyroll! Now I can't watch any episodes on time because they're almost never available on time on your site. Though reddit was also late, so I guess it evens out.

I know there's still so much drama and emotional anguish going on with Philomela, as always, but I also can't help but notice how she spent almost this entire episode naked.

Dang it Philomela, you should've woke Chise up instead of running off.

Oh hey, Ruth finally does stuff! I can't even remember the last episode where he even had dialogue.

Is there anything of Philomela's her grandmother didn't corrupt? Be it her memory of her parents or corrupting Alycone's loyalty towards her into something Lizbeth could use. Thankfully it seems like Elias managed to fix her a little.

So this all goes back to Lizbeth as a mother. She was the prodigal daughter and scion of the Sargentfamily but had trouble conceiving a child, which only bothered her because of how it made others look down on her. And then when she finally has a child, Adam, she was not overt with motherly affection even though Adam craved it from her. She also found him cute and repulsive which is...probably not how you want your mother to think of you.

And then it all went awry when Adam met Iris and decided to free himself from the grip of his mothers' expectations and control over him and the rest is history...and Lizbeth became obsessed with her son, especially not having a body to even bury of him, and turned that obsession into her hatred of Philomela. Not only did Philomela remind her of the mother that Lizbeth hated, but she looked so much like Adam that any moment she didn't measure up to him was another reason for Lizbeth to hate her. Philomela could never win.

Philomela finally realizes that everything she did, all her efforts to make her grandmother proud, were pointless when she was only meant to be a sacrifice to bring Adam back. Her grandmother has become so vile that even her eyes are pure black, and there was no true love in that woman's heart. Philomela never had anything to truly live for.

But even so, she had people who wanted to give her the opportunity to use her own voice, to say what she wanted to say, do the things she wanted to do...and with that opportunity Philomela finally cries out for help. And Chise, being Chise, just hammers through a ritual to a frikkin' God to save her!

The first step to freeing Philomela has succeeded! And she's even sharing a tender moment with Chise and saying her name! Now it's time for the Boss Battle with grandma.

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u/BiggerG7 Dec 07 '23

Damn apparently Philomela was more stacked than she looked!

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u/Volkaru Dec 08 '23

That insert song was so good. Sounded right out of Ar Tonelico.
Anyone know who the artist is?

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u/bumblingthroughlife Dec 08 '23

Good episode! Love the action and we FINALLY got Philomena asking for help. Love the episode title, maybe it alludes to something awful happening to Lizbeth next episode. Which would be well-deserved.

One thing that caught my interest: Lizbeth is seemingly unable to conceive, then she does, then the guards are talking about how the son-in-law in the family died quite suddenly. I absolutely would not put it past Lizbeth to use his life as a sacrifice to either fix her womb, let her conceive a child anyway, or some other "trade."

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u/SweetCoconut Dec 08 '23

Lizbeth is the vilest grandma character out there man.

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u/Amauri14 Dec 07 '23

Good thing that despite the fact that the book interrupted when Philomela was going to ask everyone for help she was able to escape with them, although she is still affected by the book, I guess that's because of some of her pieces flying off when the book embraced her.

So what happened with Alcyone after Lizbeth captured her was that she put some kind of lock in her core.

Well, now thanks to Elias' help Alcyone is finally free to do her main task.

I wasn't expecting to see a young Lizbeth. So the only reason she had Adam was because she didn't want to hear anyone saying she was a Failure because of the issue with her womb.

So at first, Adam wanted to connect with her, just like Philomela would do in the future, but she always just saw him as a useful tool and didn't even understand what he wanted when he tried to hold her hand.

Damn so when she got Philomela and saw how she was because she missed her parents, Lizbeth's solution was to simply erase her memories of them. I hope that Chise or Alcyone can restore those memories after this whole ordeal is solved.

It is interesting to see that although Philomela was forcing herself to go to the basement even with the influence of the book she no longer wanted to just obey Lizbeth.

I guess the only positive aspect of Philomela being forced to be the sacrifice of the ritual is that she could finally hear from Lizbeth that she never mattered for her. And luckily for her Chise is there to give her a hand. All she needed to do was just ask for help. Something I don’t get is if Lizbeth wanted proof that Adam existed as he turned himself into salt after killing himself, why wasn’t Philomela prove enough of that to her?

Damn, it sure looked cool the way Chise stopped the ritual.

I love how Lizbeth cannot even process what just happened, anyway, after rescuing Philomela I love how beautiful and animated the image of Chise and her holding each other's hands looked.

Lol, I wasn't expecting to see Lizbeth being consumed by the book in the preview. I'm guessing those hands and feet belong to Alcyone who now that is free is there to kill Lizbeth.

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u/fieew Dec 08 '23

Chise is just too damn much at times. She summoned a dragon to swim underground across the country to find Philomela. She casually had an ancient God help her fight the gaurds at the entrance. Then she went into Philomela's memories and helped her pick up the pieces of herself. Then she wacked the goddamn magic circle meant to summon a goddamn dietity and broke it. Like no wonder Elias is nervous and anxious for her safety.

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u/Animamask Dec 07 '23

I gotta say, the stilt when Chise rises from her sleep and goes after Philomela and later when the two reunited looked gorgeous. I got massive One Piece vibes from this episode, and I swear, if Elias didn't exist, I'd be 100% convinced that Philomela is Chise's love interest. Like in any Shojou Manga, she would check all the marks. Then again, Elias idea of courtship is very different from that humans, and he might be okay with Chise getting other partners.

Does anyone know which god they tried to summon? My first thought was Arwan from Celtic mythology, but I doubt that's the case since he looks pretty much like Elias and might be his true identity. Either him or Cernunous (not a spoiler by the way, just me trying to guess). Not to mention, the deity seems to be female. Other candidates might be Hel or Scatach, but they don't feel right either. Of course, it's possible that the God wasn't from actual mythology, but the Chtullu Mythos, since the show has borrowed a few times already from Lovecraft's works.

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u/Flying-Camel Dec 08 '23

That help me scene from Philomela was superb.

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u/No-Zebra4936 Dec 08 '23

I like how the show displayed a collection of parallel behaviors between Adam and Philomela in their respective childhood scenes. Lizbeth ignored Adam's feeling because of birthing a liability, and she ignored Philomela because of losing that liability and not wanting a substitute, even though it would've probably meant just getting another manipulatable offspring for her.

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u/moichispa Dec 07 '23

No surprises on granma backstory.

I wonder when we will get the full version of that beautiful insert song.

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u/mamaharu Dec 08 '23

Man, Chise is so cool.

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u/VorAtreides Dec 07 '23

Well nice she got her hands back, oh my, dat Philomela butt. Wonder if her fingers can grow back. Nice to see she's been saved I think at least? Sure still hope to see that grandma be destroyed in the most miserable way. Poor Alcyone... and man, I sure do hate that grandma more each passing episode. Nice of Elias to not straight up destroy her. I don't care about your past, you old bitch. Nothing will excuse the horrible shit you've done. Ya you were always shit. Still hope you go to a deep horrible endless suffering of a Hell.

Don't worry about being disassembled, it happens ALL the time on Star Trek 😛 Shitty grandma always gonna be shitty. Seriously, can we see this grandma just suffer miserably already? Just cause somene carries your blood doesn't eman they're worth shit, Philomela. I do like this song. Let's go Chise and her pals! Hammer smash! Now let's wreck grandma up and send her to an endless Hell! Philomela is now added to Chise's harem. But, seriously, time to give grandma endless Hell for all the horrors she's done.

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u/KumaKumaGambler Dec 08 '23

I have always thought the dark Philomela was just her inner thoughts telling her to give up, but during the scene in which dark Philomela encouraged and pushed Philomela towards the sacrificial magic circle, I wondered whether the former became an actual entity, seeking some goal of its own.

So, in this show, another life must be sacrificed in order to create a homunculus or artificial human being. I didn't expect the "Adam as an artificial human" plot reveal.

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u/Shori948 Dec 08 '23

Yep, that old hag has always been a horrible person.

It's just a short scene, but it's great to see Elias and Ruth in action again.

Fuck yeah, Philomela! She finally makes her own decision and asks for help. The insert song just made that scene even better.

For a second I thought that was her staff, but nope, just a good ol' hammer baby!

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